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JackWagon Her priests sigh, her virgins are afflicted, and she is in bitterness.

Her adversaries are the chief, her enemies prosper; for the multitude of her transgressions" her children are gone
into captivit before the enemy.

Prayed about what to lay on ya.

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QUESTION:

When I lived in Sedona, Arizona in the 90s there were rumors there was a massive underground base ten miles out in what is called the Secret Mountain Wilderness.

Reports of hikers being turned away at gunpoint by military men, reports of convoys disappearing into the canyons and not coming out, reports of underground "humming" noises, plenty of blackhawks buzzing around, and UFOs, and *indepedently* reported cases of SMALL metallic silver balls floating around in the canyons (what I later would determine are known as "spybees").

I looked into it, talked to a lot of folks, wrote everything on paper and kept records and notes of every conversation and rumor, and I eventually, personally, heard the underground "humming" (like semi's going up a steep hill) one day out in the middle of nowhere near Secret Mountain.

Then I put up a web site, basically just detailing the rumors. The first "hits" I got -- this was around 1998 -- were cia.gov, darpa.gov, lockheed.com, ibm.com.

I would also talk to my friend about the 'base' on my landline, and for a period of about one year we would BOTH hear a lot of "clicking" and "static" noises on our phones, particularly on my end. Never heard this before or since anywhere else. We would joke that our phones were tapped!

I also had a few military choppers buzz my house, circle it (I lived out in the woods), and I took photos. Same happened to my friend.

Also have a couple of funny bumps on my body -- one in my left hand, ring finger, this little thing the size of two BB's fuzed together that I can move around, but it stays in place. Don't know what the fuck it is. Appeared out of nowhere one day, maybe ten years ago.

In 2005, I moved to Las Vegas, and stopped looking into it, but I've never forgotten. I believe 95% *something* is there.

Your thoughts?
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Say Jack. I learned from a TV doco yesterday that WW2 Sherman tanks were the first MBTs to have gyro-stabilized main guns.

Totally useless against German Tigers, of course, unless they were at a range of 500 metres, or less, and then they'd have to hit the side or rear armour to get penetration.

Were you aware of this?
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QUESTION:

When I lived in Sedona, Arizona in the 90s there were rumors there was a massive underground base ten miles out in what is called the Secret Mountain Wilderness.

Reports of hikers being turned away at gunpoint by military men, reports of convoys disappearing into the canyons and not coming out, reports of underground "humming" noises, plenty of blackhawks buzzing around, and UFOs, and *indepedently* reported cases of SMALL metallic silver balls floating around in the canyons (what I later would determine are known as "spybees").

I looked into it, talked to a lot of folks, wrote everything on paper and kept records and notes of every conversation and rumor, and I eventually, personally, heard the underground "humming" (like semi's going up a steep hill) one day out in the middle of nowhere near Secret Mountain.

Then I put up a web site, basically just detailing the rumors. The first "hits" I got -- this was around 1998 -- were cia.gov, darpa.gov, lockheed.com, ibm.com.

I would also talk to my friend about the 'base' on my landline, and for a period of about one year we would BOTH hear a lot of "clicking" and "static" noises on our phones, particularly on my end. Never heard this before or since anywhere else. We would joke that our phones were tapped!

I also had a few military choppers buzz my house, circle it (I lived out in the woods), and I took photos. Same happened to my friend.

Also have a couple of funny bumps on my body -- one in my left hand, ring finger, this little thing the size of two BB's fuzed together that I can move around, but it stays in place. Don't know what the fuck it is. Appeared out of nowhere one day, maybe ten years ago.

In 2005, I moved to Las Vegas, and stopped looking into it, but I've never forgotten. I believe 95% *something* is there.

Your thoughts?
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What website was it that you started? Also what was the phone number that was tapped? If you message me the info I can dig into it for you.
I will look into this.
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Say Jack. I learned from a TV doco yesterday that WW2 Sherman tanks were the first MBTs to have gyro-stabilized main guns.

Totally useless against German Tigers, of course, unless they were at a range of 500 metres, or less, and then they'd have to hit the side or rear armour to get penetration.

Were you aware of this?
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I haven't worked on tanks but I have been inside a few of them. I'm not good with the specs. gyro-stabilized is the only way to fly. Navy ships use the same stuff on larger guns too :)
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I'd rather not share the phone number on here. Email me at cubd1@yahoo.com if you want.

The web site was: [link to users.sedona.net]

I put a new site back up on the internet in 1999: [link to basetruth.info]

It expired. The Wayback Machine doesn't have entires for either site.

Search "Citizens for U.N. Base Disclosure" for a few hits of linked material on the old one, and "Citizens for Underground Base Disclosure" for the new site. A few things pop up.

I had also been in contact with a supposed 'intelligence agent' in Denver who sent me by email rumors of a false-flag attack in which ten 'neutron bombs' would be detonated on September 11th, 1999 in ten American cities. He was trying to get the word out to try to stop it. All those old emails and communications were from 1999. Weird.
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Correction: I put the new site up in 2009.
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Here's a link with a reference to September 11th.

Remember this was written in *1999*.

*I wrote it*

I no longer have the original web site, but this site below quotes those reports I posted (you have to scroll down about half way to find it):

[link to www.greatdreams.com]

The original site I copied onto a floppy disk in 1999. I put it in a box, but my father went through all of the things I had in storage and threw it all out without telling me after I had moved to Las Vegas. I have no idea what the hell he was thinking. He claims it's still in the attic, but I can't find it. But if I could get a hold of that floppy, it would at least prove all of this was written down prior to 2001. The above link isn't quite proof, but it's close.

Hell of a coincidence, if anything.
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Here it is. I had forgotten all about this. It's a hell of a thing, considering it was written in 1999!

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Subj: NEUTRON BOMB/CONCENTRATION CAMPS "ROUND UP" PLANS Date: 08/28/1999 9:55:59 AM Central Daylight Time From: murgatroid_usa@yahoo.com (NewsHawk Inc.)

NEUTRON BOMB/CONCENTRATION CAMPS "ROUND UP" PLANS DIRECT INFO FROM INTELLIGENCE AGENT

LINK UPDATE!!!

Citizens for U.N. Base Disclosure (CUNBD) --

[link to users.sedona.net] Citizens for U.N. Base Disclosure ------------

Welcome! There exists today, and has existed for decades, a large underground military facility in a moderately isolated area in the middle of Arizona, USA. This massive facility is entirely concealed underground, with possibly outer portions used for entrances, etc. It remains to this day highly secret, and few know of its existence.

Our two-year investigation of such claims is presented on this web site with photos, eye witness testimony, and an extensive log of events.

Breaking News July 27th, 1999 Plans for nuclear attack and concentration camps

(The following is a special report unrelated to the information contained on the CUNBD web site.)

Citizens for U.N. Base Disclosure (CUNBD) has been in contact with a man who claims to work for a notable government intelligence agency in Denver. He is a "Computer Scientist and Forensics Investigative Specialist". His past is laced with missions in Vietnam, duties with the CIA, Special Forces groups, and other government connections.

We have made attempts to verify this man's identity. CUNBD has interviewed in-length by phone three friends of this source who live in Denver. These people all concurred that the source works for the intelligence agency he claims and is truthful and honest. We consider these three people to be credible and honest themselves and we continue our correspondence with them. We also have in our possession the full name, phone number and mailing address of this source. The follwing information is yours to judge and evaluate.

The source reveals, if not confirms, that at least 50,000 U.S. citizens are to be "rounded up" and taken to "concentration camps" by the U.S. Government in collusion with foreign governments and bodies. This may take place sometime after or during September 9th through 13th, 1999.

This mass culling of people will be conducted in raid-like fashion as "targets" are covertly taken from their homes, placed in unmarked vans, transport vehicles, and large Chinook helicopters. NATO, United Nations, and foreign troops will be used for this "round up". The people targeted will be sent to "concentration camps", in the words of the informant, where they will be killed.

Those targeted likely include militia members, anti-government activists, conspiracy theorists, and so-called "patriots" and proponents of the U.S. Constitution.

This event will occur in accord with another "planned" event. Sometime during the dates of September 9th through 13th (these dates are tentative) at least ten Neutron bombs will be detonated in all major U.S. coastal cities. Cities named as targets include Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, New York, Boston and Miami.

The bombs, according to the source, were brought into the U.S. "two weeks ago", or in mid-July, through Port Arthur in Texas. This operation is being facilitated by the Russians. However, factions of the U.S. and British governments are fully aware of it and will do nothing to stop it. In concert with the denotation of these nuclear weapons the named governments will plan for the "invasion" of a "peacekeeping" force in the U.S. These forces will be used in Nazi-like fashion to seize dissidents and so-called "threats".

The informant mentions the "Red list", of which he and 50,000 others are included, along with the "Blue" and "Green" lists. "Those on the Red well be taken to FEMA concentration camps and immediately executed. The Blue will also be taken to FEMA camps and be given the choice between 're-education' or execution. The Green well be 're-educated' then returned to what is left of society", said the source.

The source has also said that various para-military personnel are currently being contracted by the Justice Department and the FBI to carry out specialized "assassinations" of key people within the militia and right-wing movements. These planned killings will begin on August 4th of this year and continue on quietly thereafter.

While much of this information has been known for years, we decided to publish it due to the fact that this information appears to be coming from a person deep within government intelligence.

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Update August 19th, 1999

The source reports more information to us:

"To my knowledge it's still scheduled on September 11th. However, things change. We made the move on the militia/ patriot groups so public that they 'rescheduled' that heinous event. Instead, they slowly move a little closer each week by staging maneuvers. They could be rushed in September, or in October. The militias in Michigan think they will be outright attacked in October. That is what all these rainstorms and landslides are about 'up here'. All man made, and they are used as cover within which to move men, supplies, etc. closer into position. And they practice containment exercises."

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Update August 27th & 28th, 1999

Further information revealed:

"I'm a computer scientist, not an intelligence agent. Remember that. The information came from my/our contacts within the NSA and CIA, confirmed by others in MI6, later. To my knowledge, the date remains the same.

"The word we got on 9/9/99 was the possibility of another school shooting, which hopefully we have destroyed. However, they always have a plan 'B', and we are hearing rumors of another Oklahoma City, ordered by George Bush Sr. [editor: If you haven't read David dIcke's article on the Bush-Windsor Bloodline - do so - here [link to www.glp_hater]

But can't be sure yet. Every high school in the Denver metro area, and in the Dallas Texas area will be on high alert on that date, so hopefully nothing will happen.

"The nuking was supposed to be going on on 9/11/99, but that seems to be up in the air, as well. We have managed to expose their plans quite publicly, so hopefully we can stop some of this evil. Pass the word to everyone you possibly can out there. We need to stand now, or forever lay down. And I, for one, will never lay down..."

We cannot vouch for the accuracy of any of the above claims!

* This web site is actively monitored by the U.S. Government. (Rest of letter) Columbine Research Task Force (CRTF) --

[link to columbine.home.dhs.org]

http:www.//columbine.home.dhs.org

[link to users.sedona.net]

(The three above addresses all connect to the Main CRTF site)

Contact crtf@bigfoot.com if you experience problems gaining access to these web sites.

WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR CONTACT WITH THIS INTELLIGENCE AGENT.

ANY NEW INFO WILL BE POSTED ON OUR WEB SITE(S)

THIS IS REAL FOLKS. NOT A JOKE.

Thank you,

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Dude, so you don't have any family and you expect we are all like you? Living in a buried car in the middle of nowhere is not an option for the head of a family, what do WE do?
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I do have family. I have three kids and three wives. :)

You don't live in the buried car, you bury the car and go camping.

Three kids and three wives.

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Dude, so you don't have any family and you expect we are all like you? Living in a buried car in the middle of nowhere is not an option for the head of a family, what do WE do?
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I do have family. I have three kids and three wives. :)

You don't live in the buried car, you bury the car and go camping.
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Three kids and three wives.

kks37


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Jack, regarding that video of Boyd...do you accept his claim that the Roswell craft was shot down along with the part about creatures captured?
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Dude, so you don't have any family and you expect we are all like you? Living in a buried car in the middle of nowhere is not an option for the head of a family, what do WE do?
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I do have family. I have three kids and three wives. :)

You don't live in the buried car, you bury the car and go camping.
 Quoting: Hickory

Three kids and three wives.

kks37
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Some can't pick the right ones to begin with, some can't treat 'em right afterwards. But, that is a human foible that plagues both sexes.

True.....But I was questioning his change of story. Again.
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True.....But I was questioning his change of story. Again.
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When you are trying to figure out if someone is legit and trustworthy (as you should for all posters who bring 'extraordinary' information to GLP) sometimes it is best to let them go on without correcting them.

This is not to say that JW is a clever shill, or a man with an ulterior agenda...because he is a breath of fresh air in here...but if you give someone enough rope, the fake ones will hang themselves, sooner or later. <wink, wink>

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Jack, regarding that video of Boyd...do you accept his claim that the Roswell craft was shot down along with the part about creatures captured?
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It wasn't shot down. It got knocked down with radar.
Weird shit.
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Jack, regarding that video of Boyd...do you accept his claim that the Roswell craft was shot down along with the part about creatures captured?
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It wasn't shot down. It got knocked down with radar.
Weird shit.
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hmm, thanks, that part gave me pause.
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Jack, regarding that video of Boyd...do you accept his claim that the Roswell craft was shot down along with the part about creatures captured?
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It wasn't shot down. It got knocked down with radar.
Weird shit.
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So whatever really happened to the hapless aliens that were shot down.

Did they survive long?

Have you ever seen alien technology or life-forms with your own eyes?
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True.....But I was questioning his change of story. Again.
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When you are trying to figure out if someone is legit and trustworthy (as you should for all posters who bring 'extraordinary' information to GLP) sometimes it is best to let them go on without correcting them.

This is not to say that JW is a clever shill, or a man with an ulterior agenda...because he is a breath of fresh air in here...but if you give someone enough rope, the fake ones will hang themselves, sooner or later. <wink, wink>
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this is from left field, jack, but....any idea what happened in the kyron horman case? for those who don't remember, his stepmom took him to a school science fair, where he disappeared without a trace and has been gone ever since.


something tells me that if kyron had top secret ET files in his backpack, his whereabouts would have been retroactively tracked and his location pinpointed to within the nearest ten feet.

is it that the defense agencies know where he is, but just can't share the info, or that they simply didn't bother looking?
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this is from left field, jack, but....any idea what happened in the kyron horman case? for those who don't remember, his stepmom took him to a school science fair, where he disappeared without a trace and has been gone ever since.


something tells me that if kyron had top secret ET files in his backpack, his whereabouts would have been retroactively tracked and his location pinpointed to within the nearest ten feet.

is it that the defense agencies know where he is, but just can't share the info, or that they simply didn't bother looking?
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I skipped that case. Never even read up on it although I've heard of him. So.. I have no clue. Sorry
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some infos about the MHD(magnetohydrodynamic) technologie?
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OP, what is the date of the pole reversal?
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OP, what is the date of the pole reversal?
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unknown
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some infos about the MHD(magnetohydrodynamic) technologie?
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[link to tv.umk.pl]

enjoy
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OP, what is the date of the pole reversal?
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unknown
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How about an approximation?
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Dude, so you don't have any family and you expect we are all like you? Living in a buried car in the middle of nowhere is not an option for the head of a family, what do WE do?
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I do have family. I have three kids and three wives. :)

You don't live in the buried car, you bury the car and go camping.


I guess you're one bad ass mormon
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some infos about the MHD(magnetohydrodynamic) technologie?
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[link to tv.umk.pl]

enjoy
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nice.

but nothing new under the sun if we consider the work of jpp.
what about the russian torpedo with this techno?
and what about some american aircraft with this?
is it used today? or was used? or..?
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The Isle of Jersey is an interesting place.

Any idea why so many are funneling their money through there?

Ever hear of Sanne Trust company?
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what is your thoughts on the nuke alert at the super bowl. Theres alot of talk about it on several forums.. Have you heard anything?
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