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BREAKING: Obama Healthcare Plan declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND VOID! | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1250978  United States01/31/2011 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree Obamacare is a joke that was set up to favor the health insurance and healthcare industries, along with of course lawyers and accountants. But our present heathcare situation in the U.S. must be overhauled and reformed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1225440Obamacare was a total disaster. But the Republicans aren't going to come up with anything better. Probably not even anything at all. Bottom line? We're fucked. |
WRT A/C  User ID: 603629 United States01/31/2011 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FUCK YEA! Quoting: ^TrInItY^thank god we still have some decent judges in this country proof that our system of government STILL WORKS!   Last Edited by WRT A/C on 01/31/2011 04:47 PM |
| Mr. Toppit User ID: 1158998 United States01/31/2011 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree Obamacare is a joke that was set up to favor the health insurance and healthcare industries, along with of course lawyers and accountants. But our present heathcare situation in the U.S. must be overhauled and reformed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1225440Obamacare was a total disaster. But the Republicans aren't going to come up with anything better. Probably not even anything at all. Bottom line? We're fucked. Our government is a bigger disaster. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1225440 United States01/31/2011 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get rid of private insurance companies which do nothing but drive up the costs of health care. Quoting: Unconstitutional Government 1058967We need 1 National Insurance Company. No one should profit from other people's misery. Get rid of the Federal Reserve and have our own National Bank that prints it's own money. Privatization of public infrastructure to outside interests is always wrong. Government is suppose to regulate. Not support monopolization. Just ask Argentina. The Chicago School of Law and it's minions have come home to roost. I agree. A LOT of privatization has failed miserably to achieve original goals.  |
| Echo7 (OP) User ID: 724486 United States01/31/2011 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Forever the Student 1013311Only if you're a slave...  Pfft.. What does that even mean? The law wont fucking change without a scotus ruling regardless of what some dipshit on GLP says. WE GET IT ALREADY! Get over yourself... Actually this is the first time you have indicated you actually get it, its not about myself, its about the herp derping and the fact i was told i need to apologize for pointing out fucking reality. Who needs to apologize now? No, I sarcastically called for an apology because of your attribution of me as a "dipshit" because you assumed that I took the liberty to elaborate on the reporting of the comments made by the judge declaring it "Void;" when, in fact, that is what was said in the statement, as reported. You want to keep beating the dead horse and belabor the issues about how the entire matter will eventually come to a conclusion, one way or another, when anyone with a 7th grade education already does, or should, understand that. Sorry if I didn't jump right up and say, "Oh yes, wise one, you are absolutely right. Thank you so much for sharing your amazing insight with the rest of us poor, unworthy, and uneducated plebes..." I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1241209 United States01/31/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get rid of private insurance companies which do nothing but drive up the costs of health care. Quoting: Unconstitutional Government 1058967We need 1 National Insurance Company. No one should profit from other people's misery. Get rid of the Federal Reserve and have our own National Bank that prints it's own money. Privatization of public infrastructure to outside interests is always wrong. Government is suppose to regulate. Not support monopolization. Just ask Argentina. The Chicago School of Law and it's minions have come home to roost. Hardly unreasonable. |
| Forever the Student User ID: 1013311 United States01/31/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's the Hegelian dialectic, yet again. The fed loves to use the commerce clause as an excuse to flex it's muscle... but it is failure of them to exercise the commerce clause, that has created the problem in the first place.... by not allowing you to buy health insurance OUTSIDE your state... effectively creating small monopolies for the carriers within the state. If the fed would simply allow you to buy health insurance from another state... there would be much more competition... and the prices would necessarily drop! Instead, they use the "crisis" THEY created... to provide THEIR solution... and shove unconstitutional law down your throat... to expand their power. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1241209 United States01/31/2011 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1241209Pfft.. What does that even mean? The law wont fucking change without a scotus ruling regardless of what some dipshit on GLP says. WE GET IT ALREADY! Get over yourself... Actually this is the first time you have indicated you actually get it, its not about myself, its about the herp derping and the fact i was told i need to apologize for pointing out fucking reality. Who needs to apologize now? No, I sarcastically called for an apology because of your attribution of me as a "dipshit" because you assumed that I took the liberty to elaborate on the reporting of the comments made by the judge declaring it "Void;" when, in fact, that is what was said in the statement, as reported. You want to keep beating the dead horse and belabor the issues about how the entire matter will eventually come to a conclusion, one way or another, when anyone with a 7th grade education already does, or should, understand that. Sorry if I didn't jump right up and say, "Oh yes, wise one, you are absolutely right. Thank you so much for sharing your amazing insight with the rest of us poor, unworthy, and uneducated plebes..." +1 Could not have said it better myself. Just remember that this is GLP and have learned you can make no assumptions about people understanding BASIC concepts, so when i see this small bus mentality enabled by inaccurate statements i can knee jerk with the best of them. |
| 508527 User ID: 1226246 United States01/31/2011 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so the message to the uninsured or self employed is.... Quoting: 508527FUCK 'EM!!!!!! Wrong. They need to pay THEIR OWN WAY, by buying an individual plan from an established insurer. This would not have been struck down by a judge, if Obama, Pelosi and Reid had not behaved like TYRANTS in the way the 2000 - page bill was written. individual plans suck and are very expensive. i know you don't care cause your employer covers you, but try to think of others for once. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 724486 United States01/31/2011 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Echo7WE GET IT ALREADY! Get over yourself... Actually this is the first time you have indicated you actually get it, its not about myself, its about the herp derping and the fact i was told i need to apologize for pointing out fucking reality. Who needs to apologize now? No, I sarcastically called for an apology because of your attribution of me as a "dipshit" because you assumed that I took the liberty to elaborate on the reporting of the comments made by the judge declaring it "Void;" when, in fact, that is what was said in the statement, as reported. You want to keep beating the dead horse and belabor the issues about how the entire matter will eventually come to a conclusion, one way or another, when anyone with a 7th grade education already does, or should, understand that. Sorry if I didn't jump right up and say, "Oh yes, wise one, you are absolutely right. Thank you so much for sharing your amazing insight with the rest of us poor, unworthy, and uneducated plebes..." +1 Could not have said it better myself. Just remember that this is GLP and have learned you can make no assumptions about people understanding BASIC concepts, so when i see this small bus mentality enabled by inaccurate statements i can knee jerk with the best of them. Understood. Apology accepted. Let's move on now...shall we? |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States01/31/2011 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 990655 United States01/31/2011 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1168900 United States01/31/2011 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| WRT A/C User ID: 603629 United States01/31/2011 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1241209 United States01/31/2011 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | topic title is misleading ... only PART of the plan was declared Unconstitutional and Void ... and I don't know how they could even do that when the SOTUS declared the Constitution un constitutional and VOID last week ... WTF? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1168900Glad you bothered to read the last 6 pages. |
| Ricfly52 User ID: 203277 United States01/31/2011 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is the answer to people who are uninsurable or where insurance is just too expensive? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178936Should they just be left out to die because they can't afford treatment? Or just go bankrupt each time they get sick or have an accident? Something really needs to be done. It is sickening that the US is the only country in the world that doesn't do anything to help the working poor and uninsurable. They have socialized medicine for welfare people, illegals and the old people but they screw the middle class. The only way for some people to get help is to just be so poor that everything is 'free'. And that sucks. Yeah but forced insurance is not the fucking answer unless you are a insurance company. I agree. Was just saying that something has to happen to help those who are uninsurable or who can't afford insurance. Other countries help their citizens who get sick or hurt. Why can't this one? Already do. It is against the law to turn anyone down from and emergency roon who is hurt or deathly sick. I was in there having a fucking heart attack six years ago, and people with coughs were getting more attention than I was, and I FUCKING had insurance. Don't tell me people don't get treated, because they do. Make a trip to your local emercency room sometime, and see for yourself. Fishing and skiing keeps me a little sane. |
| FatalWishes User ID: 626707 United States01/31/2011 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Echo7 Fuck Obama and the congress he rolled in on. They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1251067 United States01/31/2011 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The judge declined, however, to immediately enjoin, or suspend, the law pending appeals, a process that could take two years. That left confusion about how the ruling might be interpreted in the 26 states that are parties to the legal challenge. [link to www.nytimes.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1238390 United States01/31/2011 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1238390 United States01/31/2011 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1152779 United States01/31/2011 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  . Are you crybaby's proud that this pile of crap bill was forced through with bribes and other unethical means? Demtards... yeah because you have to be completely fucking retarded to believe the government can run healthcare. The only good thing is Pelosi Reid and the rest of the democrats destroyed the Democrat party with this bill. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1227305 United States01/31/2011 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1198719 United States01/31/2011 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reading the six pages of comments... a lot of crybaby demtards. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152779 . Are you crybaby's proud that this pile of crap bill was forced through with bribes and other unethical means? Demtards... yeah because you have to be completely fucking retarded to believe the government can run healthcare. The only good thing is Pelosi Reid and the rest of the democrats destroyed the Democrat party with this bill. Libtards, they're everywhere, and they don't know they're dumber than a box of rocks... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1151869 United States01/31/2011 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All the Judge stated was that the government can't force you to buy health insurance. The rest of the healthcare bill still stands. Quoting: static voidNot in this judge's eyes. He said the insurance requirement can't be separated from the rest of the bill so it's all null and void. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1198719 United States01/31/2011 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All the Judge stated was that the government can't force you to buy health insurance. The rest of the healthcare bill still stands. Quoting: static voidNot in this judge's eyes. He said the insurance requirement can't be separated from the rest of the bill so it's all null and void. Why is the bill being allowed to be implimented through the appeal if it's unconstitutional? |
| New Age Messiah User ID: 1220952 United States01/31/2011 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, arguing that there are other ways to tackle health care short of requiring every American to purchase insurance. “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday. [link to www.washingtontimes.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1238390 United States01/31/2011 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1251067The judge declined, however, to immediately enjoin, or suspend, the law pending appeals, a process that could take two years. That left confusion about how the ruling might be interpreted in the 26 states that are parties to the legal challenge. [link to www.nytimes.com] . EXCELLENT.  And to think that some Liberals STILL believe that ObamaCare will HELP them in 2012 ... just like it did in 2010.  . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1198719 United States01/31/2011 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Judge uses Obama’s words against him Quoting: New Age MessiahIn ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, arguing that there are other ways to tackle health care short of requiring every American to purchase insurance. “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday. [link to www.washingtontimes.com] The first unconstitutional ruling did the same thing. Fuckface, i mean Obama, lied like the stupid piece of shit he is on the campaign trail and now some justice is being done about it. I gaurantee you the demons of hell are screeching even still over this and somehow Obama and his minions are trying to figure out, through any means necessary to squash this. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 475872 United States01/31/2011 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obamacare completely invalidates the Constitution... If Obamacare stands then you longer have ANY rights... If you can be forced to buy health insurance then you can be forced to buy life insurance... You can be forced to have an annual physical... You can be forced to do jumping jacks on your front lawn every morning... The final ruling on Obamacare will determine the future of this country. |
| Nailer45 User ID: 1240388 United States01/31/2011 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Healthcare bill unconstitutional [link to documents.latimes.com] Summary Judgment - Judge Roger Vinson: [link to s3.documentcloud.org] Declaratory Judgment: [link to s3.documentcloud.org] Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
