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janey's Little Sock News Thread - Egypt Protests Updates - Mass protest day Tuesday | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1252230  Mexico02/01/2011 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember the looting of stores of military uniforms last night? What happened with that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230I asked earlier about shipments of guns to the area and noone answered either... Sometimes it is the unanswered questions that hold the key... |
| a User ID: 1252418 Slovenia02/01/2011 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | # 0029: BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen, in Cairo, says: "I don't think the protesters are going to believe President Mubarak's promises at all. I think things have gone too far now - they want him out. Tonight and tomorrow, the opposition will be assessing their tactics. I expect there will be more marches. I think this coming Friday, after the noon prayer, will be another big focus as it was last week. I think Egypt is going deeper now into a period of danger and uncertainty, but we can be sure that this is a period of profound change right across the region." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1172473  United States02/01/2011 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My generation Lies Loyal to No one! Pretty pathetic that this is a debate. If you want to help the Egyptians than Do something to help the people. Don't rely on this Communistic Regime. Show the Muslims, Christians, Atheist, Agnostics and Pagans etc etc that You Stand for Them, behind Them as a Human Race. My Government speaks for the FDR and TPTB but absolutely NOT for ME, The Human Race!! |
Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyIt's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't. Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state? Why do you keep denying that you support the above, the first sentence? That is the over riding concern, "that they support 'us'",, ie the geo political aims of Empire that you support. It is not the red herring of the dreaded Islamic govts versus dictatorships. Riddle me this,,, why do we pretend that the West is against Islamic States? So in other words you can't answer my question. Yes we do support some Islamic states that is in our best interest to support. All governments support their best intrests. Were the people of Iran better under the Shaw's dictatorship or the theocratic dictatorship? The revolution was co opted, and the people of Iran were betrayed. Dont forget the Ayatolla was supported and financed by France, flown in first class into Terhan. You seem to not be getting my line of argument, and are being naive, if you simply support a govt simply because it is yours. They may be corrupted and not represent your interests, It is why WE have revolutions.,... Nice Texas two step round the question. You can look through out history and see revolutions are often co opted How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
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| snark User ID: 1050548 United States02/01/2011 07:42 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked before but the thread was moving to fast for me to see a reply. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161673Does anyone think this could lead to Mubarak's son getting elected in the next election.? Mubarak said his son would not stand for election T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1047759  Canada02/01/2011 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Currently we don't have enough combat ready troops to do that. We still need to rebuild units and equipment to a better status. Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyI guarantee the scheduled drills are being pushed up earlier. never going to happen. An invasion is a desperate act. It wont happen as long there are actors on the ground who will act on 'their' interests. (notice I am very cautious when I use the words 'we', 'our' or 'us') Money talks. No invasion.. |
| snark User ID: 1050548 United States02/01/2011 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Nic Kristof Cnn: Nicholas D. Kristof: Just back from Tahrir, and saw something unnerving. A small mob of pro-Mubarak forces, maybe 150 people, are running around very aggressively outside Tahrir. It's almost as if they're picking fights, or creating provocations. Then a couple of shots fired. I hope we're not going to see clashes, perhaps as pretext for some kind of crackdown. Stay tuned Last Edited by snark on 02/01/2011 07:44 PM T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nikki,Snark,Bed, Quoting: cab123soory I missed a few pages,had to deal with the ice (and horses,dogs cats) See you've been holding your own.Just got caught up. Yes make sure your animals are safe! Welcome back hon! How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1161673 Ireland02/01/2011 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked before but the thread was moving to fast for me to see a reply. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161673Does anyone think this could lead to Mubarak's son getting elected in the next election.? Mubarak said his son would not stand for election TY.Just checking. |
| useless-eater User ID: 949959  United Kingdom02/01/2011 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230I have always supported this conclusion. It is why I disagreed with unilateral invasions by the US on so called "humanitarian" grounds. The road to hell is paved with the best intentions (or I should say, BS propaganda for the sheeple). If Iraq wasnt invaded its people would now be overthrowing their dictator, and organizing a unity govt. But Now they are a defeated war torn divided vassal dictatorship under the ownership of a foreign invader.... Saddam was losing ground to Islamists in Iraq..even started to built mosques all over the place too cool things down. The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators.... It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't. Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state? That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices. It's called freedom & self determination. Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now? Love to all real people here. ...& the shills x Last Edited by useless-eater on 02/01/2011 07:45 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1155273 United States02/01/2011 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked earlier but had to leave so don't know if there was any response. Do we know what the soldiers, particularly the multi-national forces stationed at Sharm el-Sheikh and El Gorah are doing during these protests. There are permanent US soldiers stationed there. Reason I ask is I saw some footage earlier around the tanks and the guy had on a little different pattern of camo and was wearing a blue armband. He seemed to be directing the soldiers. He kept his back to the camera. Anybody know who the peole are in blue armbands? Or what role soldiers from other country are taking. I did hear interviewees state there was interference from outside forces. I don't know if she meant actual FORCES, if you know what I mean. TIA |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Nic Kristof Cnn: Quoting: snarkNicholas D. Kristof: Just back from Tahrir, and saw something unnerving. A small mob of pro-Mubarak forces, maybe 150 people, are running around very aggressively outside Tahrir. It's almost as if they're picking fights, or creating provocations. Then a couple of shots fired. I hope we're not going to see clashes, perhaps as pretext for some kind of crackdown. Stay tuned Good Info! This is an issue I'm worried about because it can spin out of hand very quickly either way. How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1252230 Mexico02/01/2011 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230Why do you keep denying that you support the above, the first sentence? That is the over riding concern, "that they support 'us'",, ie the geo political aims of Empire that you support. It is not the red herring of the dreaded Islamic govts versus dictatorships. Riddle me this,,, why do we pretend that the West is against Islamic States? So in other words you can't answer my question. Yes we do support some Islamic states that is in our best interest to support. All governments support their best intrests. Were the people of Iran better under the Shaw's dictatorship or the theocratic dictatorship? The revolution was co opted, and the people of Iran were betrayed. Dont forget the Ayatolla was supported and financed by France, flown in first class into Terhan. You seem to not be getting my line of argument, and are being naive, if you simply support a govt simply because it is yours. They may be corrupted and not represent your interests, It is why WE have revolutions.,... Nice Texas two step round the question. You can look through out history and see revolutions are often co opted I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1238394  Greece02/01/2011 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252442Of course it's a coordinated plan. It's part of the strategy to turn the tide. Organized protest poker. You're call. ^^^THIS^^^ Counter-protest, instructed by Mubarak. Of course and that is going to get nasty! Tomorrow will be a deciding day!! Expect alot of blood tomorrow or friday! Sure you do. It's your satanic nature. |
| a User ID: 1252418 Slovenia02/01/2011 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Nic Kristof Cnn: Quoting: snarkNicholas D. Kristof: Just back from Tahrir, and saw something unnerving. A small mob of pro-Mubarak forces, maybe 150 people, are running around very aggressively outside Tahrir. It's almost as if they're picking fights, or creating provocations. Then a couple of shots fired. I hope we're not going to see clashes, perhaps as pretext for some kind of crackdown. Stay tuned # 0044: Egypt state television is reporting that dozens of supporters of President Mubarak gathered in central Cairo after his speech on Tuesday night. Pictures showed one banner reading "Yes to Mubarak". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1047759 Canada02/01/2011 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Demode^^^THIS^^^ Counter-protest, instructed by Mubarak. Of course and that is going to get nasty! Tomorrow will be a deciding day!! Expect alot of blood tomorrow or friday! Sure you do. It's your satanic nature. How does Greece view a Muslim Bro Government, or Islamic Turkey... |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759Saddam was losing ground to Islamists in Iraq..even started to built mosques all over the place too cool things down. The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators.... It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't. Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state? That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices. It's called freedom & self determination. Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now? Love to all real people here. ...& the shills x It was their choice ... at least for the Straight Persian Muslim Men. ut that isn't the question were the People (which includes everyone) better off now or then? How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
| snark User ID: 1050548 United States02/01/2011 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nikki,Snark,Bed, Quoting: cab123soory I missed a few pages,had to deal with the ice (and horses,dogs cats) See you've been holding your own.Just got caught up. Yes make sure your animals are safe! Welcome back hon! Hey cab- is it bad there? :( it is time for winter to go!!! T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1252230 Mexico02/01/2011 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759Saddam was losing ground to Islamists in Iraq..even started to built mosques all over the place too cool things down. The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators.... It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't. Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state? That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices. It's called freedom & self determination. Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now? Love to all real people here. ...& the shills x Exactly. It is cynical and eltist to assume people are too stupid to create a better society, and to evolve as a species.... |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nikki_LaVeySo in other words you can't answer my question. Yes we do support some Islamic states that is in our best interest to support. All governments support their best intrests. Were the people of Iran better under the Shaw's dictatorship or the theocratic dictatorship? The revolution was co opted, and the people of Iran were betrayed. Dont forget the Ayatolla was supported and financed by France, flown in first class into Terhan. You seem to not be getting my line of argument, and are being naive, if you simply support a govt simply because it is yours. They may be corrupted and not represent your interests, It is why WE have revolutions.,... Nice Texas two step round the question. You can look through out history and see revolutions are often co opted I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer? OK how should we evolve? How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
| cab123 User ID: 1163780 United States02/01/2011 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230AC not sure who the, WE or OUR you are referring to. I posted earier,Egypt people have had thier say. now they,not we,must decide if THEY are willing to fight and die for thier cause. NO 2 step just hard fact. |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators.... It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't. Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state? That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices. It's called freedom & self determination. Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now? Love to all real people here. ...& the shills x Exactly. It is cynical and eltist to assume people are too stupid to create a better society, and to evolve as a species.... It maybe cynical but you have to look at the history of the region and see that is not the trend here. I would like to see it hapen surely but I don't expect to see it. How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
| Old Canuck User ID: 519437 Canada02/01/2011 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama said: "I want to command Egyptian army..." Quoting: Demode With what credentials? No way... The President said "commend" not "command" I want to commend the Egyptian army... He is supportive of their restraint and I believe we would all agree with that sentiment. It is easy to mis-hear and mis-interpret - an understandable mistake. Not being critical of you. Just saying, is all... |
| snark User ID: 1050548 United States02/01/2011 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ‎ polly_kemp‎ RT @SherineT: there's NO police presence, v little military presence. Phones have been working but internet still down T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230AC not sure who the, WE or OUR you are referring to. I posted earier,Egypt people have had thier say. now they,not we,must decide if THEY are willing to fight and die for thier cause. NO 2 step just hard fact. The Middle Eastern mindset is for the leader to be a strong man. How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
| Nikki_LaVey User ID: 1120752 United States02/01/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama said: "I want to command Egyptian army..." Quoting: DemodeWith what credentials? No way... The President said "commend" not "command" I want to commend the Egyptian army... He is supportive of their restraint and I believe we would all agree with that sentiment. It is easy to mis-hear and mis-interpret - an understandable mistake. Not being critical of you. Just saying, is all... This issue has been resolved. How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
