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Remember the looting of stores of military uniforms last night? What happened with that?
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I asked earlier about shipments of guns to the area and noone answered either...
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Sometimes it is the unanswered questions that hold the key...
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0029: BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen, in Cairo, says: "I don't think the protesters are going to believe President Mubarak's promises at all. I think things have gone too far now - they want him out. Tonight and tomorrow, the opposition will be assessing their tactics. I expect there will be more marches. I think this coming Friday, after the noon prayer, will be another big focus as it was last week. I think Egypt is going deeper now into a period of danger and uncertainty, but we can be sure that this is a period of profound change right across the region."
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My generation Lies Loyal to No one! Pretty pathetic that this is a debate. If you want to help the Egyptians than Do something to help the people. Don't rely on this Communistic Regime.

Show the Muslims, Christians, Atheist, Agnostics and Pagans etc etc that You Stand for Them, behind Them as a Human Race.

My Government speaks for the FDR and TPTB but absolutely NOT for ME, The Human Race!!
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It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't.

Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state?
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Why do you keep denying that you support the above, the first sentence? That is the over riding concern, "that they support 'us'",, ie the geo political aims of Empire that you support. It is not the red herring of the dreaded Islamic govts versus dictatorships.

Riddle me this,,, why do we pretend that the West is against Islamic States?
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So in other words you can't answer my question.

Yes we do support some Islamic states that is in our best interest to support. All governments support their best intrests.
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Were the people of Iran better under the Shaw's dictatorship or the theocratic dictatorship? The revolution was co opted, and the people of Iran were betrayed. Dont forget the Ayatolla was supported and financed by France, flown in first class into Terhan. You seem to not be getting my line of argument, and are being naive, if you simply support a govt simply because it is yours. They may be corrupted and not represent your interests, It is why WE have revolutions.,...
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Nice Texas two step round the question.

You can look through out history and see revolutions are often co opted
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I asked before but the thread was moving to fast for me to see a reply.
Does anyone think this could lead to Mubarak's son getting
elected in the next election.?
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I asked before but the thread was moving to fast for me to see a reply.
Does anyone think this could lead to Mubarak's son getting
elected in the next election.?
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Mubarak said his son would not stand for election
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Damn is my lil Spanish friend leave?

I wanted to ask how that lil Civil War they had worked out for his family.
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Nikki,Snark,Bed,
soory I missed a few pages,had to deal with the ice (and horses,dogs cats)
See you've been holding your own.Just got caught up.
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Currently we don't have enough combat ready troops to do that. We still need to rebuild units and equipment to a better status.
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I guarantee the scheduled drills are being pushed up earlier.
 Quoting: bed

never going to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759


An invasion is a desperate act. It wont happen as long there are actors on the ground who will act on 'their' interests.

(notice I am very cautious when I use the words 'we', 'our' or 'us')
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Money talks.

No invasion..
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From Nic Kristof Cnn:

Nicholas D. Kristof: Just back from Tahrir, and saw something unnerving. A small mob of pro-Mubarak forces, maybe 150 people, are running around very aggressively outside Tahrir. It's almost as if they're picking fights, or creating provocations. Then a couple of shots fired. I hope we're not going to see clashes, perhaps as pretext for some kind of crackdown. Stay tuned

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Nikki,Snark,Bed,
soory I missed a few pages,had to deal with the ice (and horses,dogs cats)
See you've been holding your own.Just got caught up.
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Yes make sure your animals are safe!

Welcome back hon!
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I asked before but the thread was moving to fast for me to see a reply.
Does anyone think this could lead to Mubarak's son getting
elected in the next election.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161673

Mubarak said his son would not stand for election
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TY.Just checking.
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I have always supported this conclusion. It is why I disagreed with unilateral invasions by the US on so called "humanitarian" grounds. The road to hell is paved with the best intentions (or I should say, BS propaganda for the sheeple). If Iraq wasnt invaded its people would now be overthrowing their dictator, and organizing a unity govt. But Now they are a defeated war torn divided vassal dictatorship under the ownership of a foreign invader....
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Saddam was losing ground to Islamists in Iraq..even started to built mosques all over the place too cool things down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759


The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230



It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't.

Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state?
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices.

It's called freedom & self determination.

Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now?

Love to all real people here.

...& the shills

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I asked earlier but had to leave so don't know if there was any response.

Do we know what the soldiers, particularly the multi-national forces stationed at Sharm el-Sheikh and El Gorah are doing during these protests.

There are permanent US soldiers stationed there. Reason I ask is I saw some footage earlier around the tanks and the guy had on a little different pattern of camo and was wearing a blue armband. He seemed to be directing the soldiers. He kept his back to the camera.

Anybody know who the peole are in blue armbands?
Or what role soldiers from other country are taking.

I did hear interviewees state there was interference from outside forces. I don't know if she meant actual FORCES, if you know what I mean.

TIA
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From Nic Kristof Cnn:

Nicholas D. Kristof: Just back from Tahrir, and saw something unnerving. A small mob of pro-Mubarak forces, maybe 150 people, are running around very aggressively outside Tahrir. It's almost as if they're picking fights, or creating provocations. Then a couple of shots fired. I hope we're not going to see clashes, perhaps as pretext for some kind of crackdown. Stay tuned
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Good Info!

This is an issue I'm worried about because it can spin out of hand very quickly either way.
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Why do you keep denying that you support the above, the first sentence? That is the over riding concern, "that they support 'us'",, ie the geo political aims of Empire that you support. It is not the red herring of the dreaded Islamic govts versus dictatorships.

Riddle me this,,, why do we pretend that the West is against Islamic States?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230


So in other words you can't answer my question.

Yes we do support some Islamic states that is in our best interest to support. All governments support their best intrests.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Were the people of Iran better under the Shaw's dictatorship or the theocratic dictatorship? The revolution was co opted, and the people of Iran were betrayed. Dont forget the Ayatolla was supported and financed by France, flown in first class into Terhan. You seem to not be getting my line of argument, and are being naive, if you simply support a govt simply because it is yours. They may be corrupted and not represent your interests, It is why WE have revolutions.,...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230


Nice Texas two step round the question.

You can look through out history and see revolutions are often co opted
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I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer?
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Of course it's a coordinated plan. It's part of the strategy to turn the tide. Organized protest poker. You're call.
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^^^THIS^^^

Counter-protest, instructed by Mubarak.
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Of course and that is going to get nasty!
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Tomorrow will be a deciding day!!

Expect alot of blood tomorrow or friday!
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Sure you do. It's your satanic nature.
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From Nic Kristof Cnn:

Nicholas D. Kristof: Just back from Tahrir, and saw something unnerving. A small mob of pro-Mubarak forces, maybe 150 people, are running around very aggressively outside Tahrir. It's almost as if they're picking fights, or creating provocations. Then a couple of shots fired. I hope we're not going to see clashes, perhaps as pretext for some kind of crackdown. Stay tuned
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0044: Egypt state television is reporting that dozens of supporters of President Mubarak gathered in central Cairo after his speech on Tuesday night. Pictures showed one banner reading "Yes to Mubarak".
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^^^THIS^^^

Counter-protest, instructed by Mubarak.
 Quoting: Demode



Of course and that is going to get nasty!
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Tomorrow will be a deciding day!!

Expect alot of blood tomorrow or friday!
 Quoting: Muhajiir


Sure you do. It's your satanic nature.
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How does Greece view a Muslim Bro Government, or Islamic Turkey...
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Saddam was losing ground to Islamists in Iraq..even started to built mosques all over the place too cool things down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759


The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230



It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't.

Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state?
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices.

It's called freedom & self determination.

Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now?

Love to all real people here.

...& the shills

x
 Quoting: useless-eater


It was their choice ... at least for the Straight Persian Muslim Men.

ut that isn't the question were the People (which includes everyone) better off now or then?
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Nikki,Snark,Bed,
soory I missed a few pages,had to deal with the ice (and horses,dogs cats)
See you've been holding your own.Just got caught up.
 Quoting: cab123



Yes make sure your animals are safe!

Welcome back hon!
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Hey cab- is it bad there? :( it is time for winter to go!!!
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Saddam was losing ground to Islamists in Iraq..even started to built mosques all over the place too cool things down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759


The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230



It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't.

Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state?
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices.

It's called freedom & self determination.

Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now?

Love to all real people here.

...& the shills

x
 Quoting: useless-eater


Exactly. It is cynical and eltist to assume people are too stupid to create a better society, and to evolve as a species....
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So in other words you can't answer my question.

Yes we do support some Islamic states that is in our best interest to support. All governments support their best intrests.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Were the people of Iran better under the Shaw's dictatorship or the theocratic dictatorship? The revolution was co opted, and the people of Iran were betrayed. Dont forget the Ayatolla was supported and financed by France, flown in first class into Terhan. You seem to not be getting my line of argument, and are being naive, if you simply support a govt simply because it is yours. They may be corrupted and not represent your interests, It is why WE have revolutions.,...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230


Nice Texas two step round the question.

You can look through out history and see revolutions are often co opted
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey




I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230


OK how should we evolve?
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I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer?
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AC not sure who the, WE or OUR you are referring to.
I posted earier,Egypt people have had thier say.
now they,not we,must decide if THEY are willing to fight
and die for thier cause.
NO 2 step just hard fact.
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The same BS political line to protect the status quo: 'Save the dictators against the evil islamists.' The fact is the US and the West support backward fascistic islamic forces,,, as long as they are easy to control and buy off who gives a damn if their people live like dogs? Surely that is the same sentiment the West has when supporting the dictators....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230



It's a sad fact of life that we support dictators that support us as apposed to those who don't.

Riddle me this were the people of Iran better off under the Shaw or the Islamic state?
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


That's up to the people of Iran to decide & I trust them to make their own choices.

It's called freedom & self determination.

Is it just me or does this thread feel a bit Stepford Wives right now?

Love to all real people here.

...& the shills

x
 Quoting: useless-eater


Exactly. It is cynical and eltist to assume people are too stupid to create a better society, and to evolve as a species....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252230


It maybe cynical but you have to look at the history of the region and see that is not the trend here. I would like to see it hapen surely but I don't expect to see it.
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Obama said: "I want to command Egyptian army..."

wtf

With what credentials?
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No way... The President said "commend" not "command" I want to commend the Egyptian army... He is supportive of their restraint and I believe we would all agree with that sentiment.

It is easy to mis-hear and mis-interpret - an understandable mistake. Not being critical of you. Just saying, is all...
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polly_kemp‎ RT @SherineT: there's NO police presence, v little military presence. Phones have been working but internet still down
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I am not two stepping you, Nikki. I am sincerely trying to address the ideas that are unfolding in Egypt within the context of a world of powerful forces that are against all our interests. As people we have to change the usual dialogue and specifically identify what WE stand for. Yes revolutions are 'usually' co opted but WE have no choice but to march on. It is not an option to be cynical and put our heads in the sand. If WE dont evolve, THEY win without a fight. Is that what you prefer?
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AC not sure who the, WE or OUR you are referring to.
I posted earier,Egypt people have had thier say.
now they,not we,must decide if THEY are willing to fight
and die for thier cause.
NO 2 step just hard fact.
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The Middle Eastern mindset is for the leader to be a strong man.
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Obama said: "I want to command Egyptian army..."

wtf

With what credentials?
 Quoting: Demode



No way... The President said "commend" not "command" I want to commend the Egyptian army... He is supportive of their restraint and I believe we would all agree with that sentiment.

It is easy to mis-hear and mis-interpret - an understandable mistake. Not being critical of you. Just saying, is all...
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This issue has been resolved.
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