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~~~WTF is THIS!?!?!?!!?!?! -- Illuminati related??? ~~~

 
priest melchizedek

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Found out a bit more about this ArtAnts Reclamebureau Assen company, by contacting one of my old friends who moved to St. Maarten a couple of years back. He told me That they are tied to the Masonic Lodge on St. Maarten, go check this out:

[link to www.unionlodge266.com]

Check the design company link (Octagos)

If you click on it you go to this website:

[link to www.octagos.com]

And that website says:

ArtAnts

So this is proof of the fact that we have found a masonic link now!!!

PIN THIS SHIZZLE!
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Good detective work brother! It is also symbolic that they use ants as their logo, quite akin to the beehive used to represent the lodge and it's members. Nicely done!


much love,


melchizedek
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Found out a bit more about this ArtAnts Reclamebureau Assen company, by contacting one of my old friends who moved to St. Maarten a couple of years back. He told me That they are tied to the Masonic Lodge on St. Maarten, go check this out:

[link to www.unionlodge266.com]

Check the design company link (Octagos)

If you click on it you go to this website:

[link to www.octagos.com]

And that website says:

ArtAnts

So this is proof of the fact that we have found a masonic link now!!!

PIN THIS SHIZZLE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Oh, speaking of 'serendipity,'- St. Maarten was the name of the road that Johnny Depp and 'the girl' stopped in front of when she asked him, "I thought you said I knew everything...?" in the movie, 'The Ninth Gate.' Nine Gates... Number 9... Number 9...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine



Dude!!! WTF!???!! You must be in their plot, or part of the organisation behind all this!!!

That PCCTS website has a hidden link to this video:



How do you know all this!???

wtf

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Found out a bit more about this ArtAnts Reclamebureau Assen company, by contacting one of my old friends who moved to St. Maarten a couple of years back. He told me That they are tied to the Masonic Lodge on St. Maarten, go check this out:

[link to www.unionlodge266.com]

Check the design company link (Octagos)

If you click on it you go to this website:

[link to www.octagos.com]

And that website says:

ArtAnts

So this is proof of the fact that we have found a masonic link now!!!

PIN THIS SHIZZLE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Oh, speaking of 'serendipity,'- St. Maarten was the name of the road that Johnny Depp and 'the girl' stopped in front of when she asked him, "I thought you said I knew everything...?" in the movie, 'The Ninth Gate.' Nine Gates... Number 9... Number 9...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine



Dude!!! WTF!???!! You must be in their plot, or part of the organisation behind all this!!!

That PCCTS website has a hidden link to this video:



How do you know all this!???

wtf

bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


I am no man...
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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Found out a bit more about this ArtAnts Reclamebureau Assen company, by contacting one of my old friends who moved to St. Maarten a couple of years back. He told me That they are tied to the Masonic Lodge on St. Maarten, go check this out:

[link to www.unionlodge266.com]

Check the design company link (Octagos)

If you click on it you go to this website:

[link to www.octagos.com]

And that website says:

ArtAnts

So this is proof of the fact that we have found a masonic link now!!!

PIN THIS SHIZZLE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728




Good detective work brother! It is also symbolic that they use ants as their logo, quite akin to the beehive used to represent the lodge and it's members. Nicely done!


much love,


melchizedek
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What could Octagos mean???
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Found out a bit more about this ArtAnts Reclamebureau Assen company, by contacting one of my old friends who moved to St. Maarten a couple of years back. He told me That they are tied to the Masonic Lodge on St. Maarten, go check this out:

[link to www.unionlodge266.com]

Check the design company link (Octagos)

If you click on it you go to this website:

[link to www.octagos.com]

And that website says:

ArtAnts

So this is proof of the fact that we have found a masonic link now!!!

PIN THIS SHIZZLE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Oh, speaking of 'serendipity,'- St. Maarten was the name of the road that Johnny Depp and 'the girl' stopped in front of when she asked him, "I thought you said I knew everything...?" in the movie, 'The Ninth Gate.' Nine Gates... Number 9... Number 9...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine



Dude!!! WTF!???!! You must be in their plot, or part of the organisation behind all this!!!

That PCCTS website has a hidden link to this video:



How do you know all this!???

wtf

bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


I am no man...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


Sorry... woman? No but seriously, the connection you just made here between the 9th gate and all this freaked me out because I found a link on that website to a youtube video about the 9th gate 3 days back....
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Found out a bit more about this ArtAnts Reclamebureau Assen company, by contacting one of my old friends who moved to St. Maarten a couple of years back. He told me That they are tied to the Masonic Lodge on St. Maarten, go check this out:

[link to www.unionlodge266.com]

Check the design company link (Octagos)

If you click on it you go to this website:

[link to www.octagos.com]

And that website says:

ArtAnts

So this is proof of the fact that we have found a masonic link now!!!

PIN THIS SHIZZLE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728




Good detective work brother! It is also symbolic that they use ants as their logo, quite akin to the beehive used to represent the lodge and it's members. Nicely done!


much love,


melchizedek
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What could Octagos mean???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Octopus...? Same symbolism basically as 'spider,' I believe. Goddess-oriented.
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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Oh, speaking of 'serendipity,'- St. Maarten was the name of the road that Johnny Depp and 'the girl' stopped in front of when she asked him, "I thought you said I knew everything...?" in the movie, 'The Ninth Gate.' Nine Gates... Number 9... Number 9...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine



Dude!!! WTF!???!! You must be in their plot, or part of the organisation behind all this!!!

That PCCTS website has a hidden link to this video:



How do you know all this!???

wtf

bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


I am no man...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


Sorry... woman? No but seriously, the connection you just made here between the 9th gate and all this freaked me out because I found a link on that website to a youtube video about the 9th gate 3 days back....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Yes, a poor little woman... Never mind, it's not so bad. I have had a 'thing' for that movie since I first saw it,- it bears remembering that the message should be somewhat 'opposite' the portrayal, therefore, what would you now expect the message to be? Not that 'the devil' is a woman, but... what? What is the city of 'Nine Gates,' and why does this 'silver star' shine over it? Nines figure greatly... they really do.
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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The Dutch Comedian that they (ArtAnts Relamebureau Assen) did something for that Najib Amhali guy is a high ranked mason as well. He also gave away a WEIRD SATANIC (PAN) looking award two years back. Wearing a Shirt from that Pritoz.com T-Shirt Company that is also linked to all this!?

Check the Award (It was for TMF a Dutch part of MTV)


IMAGE ( [link to 94.100.122.201] )


WEIRD SHIT!!
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Good detective work brother! It is also symbolic that they use ants as their logo, quite akin to the beehive used to represent the lodge and it's members. Nicely done!


much love,


melchizedek
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What could Octagos mean???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Octopus...? Same symbolism basically as 'spider,' I believe. Goddess-oriented.
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


Octagon?
Octa = ROMAN for 8
8=infinity
Or could it be something with the stars???
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Good detective work brother! It is also symbolic that they use ants as their logo, quite akin to the beehive used to represent the lodge and it's members. Nicely done!


much love,


melchizedek
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What could Octagos mean???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Octopus...? Same symbolism basically as 'spider,' I believe. Goddess-oriented.
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


Octagon?
Octa = ROMAN for 8
8=infinity
Or could it be something with the stars???
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I found their logo!!! Of the octagos company it seems they had a twitter account!


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Dude!!! WTF!???!! You must be in their plot, or part of the organisation behind all this!!!

That PCCTS website has a hidden link to this video:



How do you know all this!???

wtf

bump
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I am no man...
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


Sorry... woman? No but seriously, the connection you just made here between the 9th gate and all this freaked me out because I found a link on that website to a youtube video about the 9th gate 3 days back....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1009728


Yes, a poor little woman... Never mind, it's not so bad. I have had a 'thing' for that movie since I first saw it,- it bears remembering that the message should be somewhat 'opposite' the portrayal, therefore, what would you now expect the message to be? Not that 'the devil' is a woman, but... what? What is the city of 'Nine Gates,' and why does this 'silver star' shine over it? Nines figure greatly... they really do.
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


It amuses me also that she sports the 'Nike' tennis shoes... You know that there is a city here known as 'The City that Nike Built?' Indeed, yes, there is... I live here. Nike... Victory. This is getting exciting, yes?
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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ashtar is his name but the flag he owns is called the united confederacy of free stars, however that is the short version. the long verison is not worth my time to remember as it was largely meant to inspire Ai. For us mortals here on earth the later will do.
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i am on to some more info on money transfers trough st. maarten that have fund the 9/11 attacks...
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look at the properties on the pics on main page... 666x666 pixels
WEIRD
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Turn one of those 'upside down,'- 666...999... mirror images, aren't they? Number 9... Number 9... Number 9...

Goodness, what can it all mean...?
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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I am like soooooo lost. lol

Seriously, You want Illuminati?

A MUST is to study Astrology, Its a Illuminists Highest Art.

But if you arent all sincere, whats my effort to advise. Its wasted. Youd just all make fun and look for conspiracy clues.

Bye.
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look at the properties on the pics on main page... 666x666 pixels
WEIRD
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Turn one of those 'upside down,'- 666...999... mirror images, aren't they? Number 9... Number 9... Number 9...

Goodness, what can it all mean...?
 Quoting: The Cross of LaReine


999 is As Above, 666 is So Below...

666 is 999 looking at it from above..

As Above, So Below

999, 666
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I am like soooooo lost. lol

Seriously, You want Illuminati?

A MUST is to study Astrology, Its a Illuminists Highest Art.

But if you arent all sincere, whats my effort to advise. Its wasted. Youd just all make fun and look for conspiracy clues.

Bye.
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM


One man's conspiracy is another man's 'fairy tale,' I guess you could say. Nothing is done here that is not foretold through various agencies... including, of course, the prophets. 'Agents of Fortune,'- a turn of a card. Remember that album? You should check that out again... "Don't Fear the Reaper."
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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Yes, I believe in the Sun God. and that the Sun/Son of God is Christ, He is Prometheus...I also study the Egyptian Initiation rites cause its the course of mans ascent to immortality.

If anyone would care to express what they think . Melchizedek has done so wondefully with research, intelligence and courtesy. I give you that much, you are rare...

If you wrote a book, Id buy it. But I support my beliefs that a one greater than Jesus will come

Yes, Jesus was a Great Gnostic teacher and Rabbi and a Son/Sun, but he is not the one to come

I will bend my knee at the one greater who has united with his Father, called the story of the Prodigal Son.

It is the Father who holds the fire and flame.. It is he who will raise a son to represent his flame and fire against the sins of the world

Call him Prometheus or any other name, He is our Lifegiving Sun.

-Ordo
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I appreciate your honesty at the very least Brother Ordo, that you have not continued to claim to worship Christ but have admitted without being accused that you hold Lucifer/Prometheus/Satan above all and are waiting for his coming.

I am a disappointed that you did not reveal to me a better name or title of which to address you and that would not respect my desire to have you not capitalize my name, but these are small things.

Your relation of Heylel to that of the prodigal son, of Jesus Christ to that of the son who was with his Father always, and of the Father of the Story to God - this is quite clear.

The father praising the Prodigal Son who left him and spent his existence on debauchery and drunkenness (Heylel and his fall, becoming Satan) over Jesus Christ (The Alpha and the Omega, He who is always with the Father and never strayed) who stayed is quite dazzling and the most descriptive of all of your thoughts thus far on what you believe. Thank you, I understand fully now and this particular version is new to me.

I have a couple questions though if you wouldn't mind indulging a brother.

Is that do you believe when Jesus Christ was here as man that this was Heylel - that this was the instance where he forsook his father in search of better things, only to find himself a slave and feeding pigs and living miserably (preaching to the lowest of the low, always at the mercy of others, being tortured and killed on the cross) or do you believe that Christ Jesus was in fact just a good gnostic teacher?

If it is the latter, how do you explain Revelations and the battle between Christ and Satan, with Christ reigning supreme over the fallen Heylel?




I will see you in the morning, much love to you brother,



melchizedek
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Dear Brother under Melchizedek...

I so appreciate your kind lettter...
I believe Jesus refused the Throne as Jewish Mosiach and became a great Gnostic Teacher and yes, with Fathers blessings, created a new religion, with Paul and Constantine polishing it off to create Catholicism and Christianity.

I think Heylel once was in the Garden of Eden,and something happened there that changed the course of History....

I believe that the Christ bearing the Iron Rod and Gods Wrath in Revelation is yet to come. But he is not Jesus, as that would almost be a insult to this humble, gentle man.. who was more meek than what Revelation would require..

I believe a Ram will take the Throne and not a lamb.

This is how my Masters taught me and it has brought me blessings and respect for all faiths, teaching me we are all ONE, ever changing, yet at the same time ever the same, We are in it together

Then one day a New Melchizedek will Anoint another and begin a new nation for God and the path begins anew, this I believe...

-Ordo
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Brother Edward, I would be pleased to explain to you who I really am through personal messaging, or maybe even in public if I feel so inclined by God (still disappointed that you will not respect my wish to not capitalize my name, perhaps petty I know, it's just a personal thing) but know that I am not under melchizedek, it is who I am.


If I gather correctly, and please forgive me if I misunderstand - now that we are passed pleasantries and the cards are out on the table, it will be easier to only learn and be learned from which has been my intention all along - do you mean that after Heylel's fall he did not become satan but became Adam?

I would very much so be thankful and pleased if you could go more in depth into this with me. I find your particular creed to be quite interesting. It's not that this is all very new to me, it's the way you come across with it I think.

I have heard before that Adam was Lucifer/Prometheus but none have been able to explain how it was a punishment to be kicked out of Heaven just go go into Eden which was before it became corrupted the closest thing to Heaven this side of it. I find this especially curious relating to the eagle which pecks out Prometheus' liver each day. Eden seems like a reward in comparison does it not?

Some say that the serpent was sent there by The Father, was a part of him, and that satan is actually a part of The Father - regressing back to the Demiurge concept - some say that all of the negative aspects of the Universe have just been thrown off on Heylel and that he is not truly satan.

As I said, I would much appreciate your clarification on these few issues and any further discussion I would be greatly thankful for as well.


much love brother Edward,



melchizedek
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melchizedek, sorry about that ! Small letter "m". Done !
Ill compose my thoughts a little and see what I can do in answering.

You seen sincere with "wanting " to understand about Heylel

Ill be back.

-Ordo
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Hallo ! Poster from Netherlands, You study Kaballah? I love the Kabbalah, Now Ill talk that with you anytime ! Your comment was somewhere mentioning that a way back.
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I appreciate your honesty at the very least Brother Ordo, that you have not continued to claim to worship Christ but have admitted without being accused that you hold Lucifer/Prometheus/Satan above all and are waiting for his coming.

I am a disappointed that you did not reveal to me a better name or title of which to address you and that would not respect my desire to have you not capitalize my name, but these are small things.

Your relation of Heylel to that of the prodigal son, of Jesus Christ to that of the son who was with his Father always, and of the Father of the Story to God - this is quite clear.

The father praising the Prodigal Son who left him and spent his existence on debauchery and drunkenness (Heylel and his fall, becoming Satan) over Jesus Christ (The Alpha and the Omega, He who is always with the Father and never strayed) who stayed is quite dazzling and the most descriptive of all of your thoughts thus far on what you believe. Thank you, I understand fully now and this particular version is new to me.

I have a couple questions though if you wouldn't mind indulging a brother.

Is that do you believe when Jesus Christ was here as man that this was Heylel - that this was the instance where he forsook his father in search of better things, only to find himself a slave and feeding pigs and living miserably (preaching to the lowest of the low, always at the mercy of others, being tortured and killed on the cross) or do you believe that Christ Jesus was in fact just a good gnostic teacher?

If it is the latter, how do you explain Revelations and the battle between Christ and Satan, with Christ reigning supreme over the fallen Heylel?




I will see you in the morning, much love to you brother,



melchizedek
 Quoting: priest melchizedek


Dear Brother under Melchizedek...

I so appreciate your kind lettter...
I believe Jesus refused the Throne as Jewish Mosiach and became a great Gnostic Teacher and yes, with Fathers blessings, created a new religion, with Paul and Constantine polishing it off to create Catholicism and Christianity.

I think Heylel once was in the Garden of Eden,and something happened there that changed the course of History....

I believe that the Christ bearing the Iron Rod and Gods Wrath in Revelation is yet to come. But he is not Jesus, as that would almost be a insult to this humble, gentle man.. who was more meek than what Revelation would require..

I believe a Ram will take the Throne and not a lamb.

This is how my Masters taught me and it has brought me blessings and respect for all faiths, teaching me we are all ONE, ever changing, yet at the same time ever the same, We are in it together

Then one day a New Melchizedek will Anoint another and begin a new nation for God and the path begins anew, this I believe...

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Brother Edward, I would be pleased to explain to you who I really am through personal messaging, or maybe even in public if I feel so inclined by God (still disappointed that you will not respect my wish to not capitalize my name, perhaps petty I know, it's just a personal thing) but know that I am not under melchizedek, it is who I am.


If I gather correctly, and please forgive me if I misunderstand - now that we are passed pleasantries and the cards are out on the table, it will be easier to only learn and be learned from which has been my intention all along - do you mean that after Heylel's fall he did not become satan but became Adam?

I would very much so be thankful and pleased if you could go more in depth into this with me. I find your particular creed to be quite interesting. It's not that this is all very new to me, it's the way you come across with it I think.

I have heard before that Adam was Lucifer/Prometheus but none have been able to explain how it was a punishment to be kicked out of Heaven just go go into Eden which was before it became corrupted the closest thing to Heaven this side of it. I find this especially curious relating to the eagle which pecks out Prometheus' liver each day. Eden seems like a reward in comparison does it not?

Some say that the serpent was sent there by The Father, was a part of him, and that satan is actually a part of The Father - regressing back to the Demiurge concept - some say that all of the negative aspects of the Universe have just been thrown off on Heylel and that he is not truly satan.

As I said, I would much appreciate your clarification on these few issues and any further discussion I would be greatly thankful for as well.


much love brother Edward,



melchizedek
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melchizedek, sorry about that ! Small letter "m". Done !
Ill compose my thoughts a little and see what I can do in answering.

You seen sincere with "wanting " to understand about Heylel

Ill be back.

-Ordo
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Well brother Edward, do not take this the wrong way but I believe that I already do know about him, I am merely curious as to your perspective. I am always looking to learn, always looking to understand how other people can come to a conclusion which they support whole-heartedly as you do.


The versions that I am used to seem different than what you believe, it seems that in your version Heylel may have been vindicated of doing any wrong, as if it was following God's command to fall and become satan and not his pride and free will which led him to become the chief rebel angel, the great deceiver.

Thank you for agreeing to take the time to discuss this with me! I greatly appreciate it!





much love,


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So a friend just sent me a couple links to some strange illuminati type crap.

anyone ever see this before?

click on a few of the states on this link.
[link to www.pccts.com]

here is the main site. click on the image links.
[link to www.pccts.com]

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Dont know if this has been written before
but the top of the pyramid on this page
[link to www.illuminatiorder.info]

goes to a site at NASA now not showing,
however putting in the adress in google images

shows its tracking ISS ground track

see first top image to the left here,
put the mouse over and you see the adress is the same as on the top of the pyramid of their 'game'

[link to www.google.se]
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Dear Brother under Melchizedek...

I so appreciate your kind lettter...
I believe Jesus refused the Throne as Jewish Mosiach and became a great Gnostic Teacher and yes, with Fathers blessings, created a new religion, with Paul and Constantine polishing it off to create Catholicism and Christianity.

I think Heylel once was in the Garden of Eden,and something happened there that changed the course of History....

I believe that the Christ bearing the Iron Rod and Gods Wrath in Revelation is yet to come. But he is not Jesus, as that would almost be a insult to this humble, gentle man.. who was more meek than what Revelation would require..

I believe a Ram will take the Throne and not a lamb.

This is how my Masters taught me and it has brought me blessings and respect for all faiths, teaching me we are all ONE, ever changing, yet at the same time ever the same, We are in it together

Then one day a New Melchizedek will Anoint another and begin a new nation for God and the path begins anew, this I believe...

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Brother Edward, I would be pleased to explain to you who I really am through personal messaging, or maybe even in public if I feel so inclined by God (still disappointed that you will not respect my wish to not capitalize my name, perhaps petty I know, it's just a personal thing) but know that I am not under melchizedek, it is who I am.


If I gather correctly, and please forgive me if I misunderstand - now that we are passed pleasantries and the cards are out on the table, it will be easier to only learn and be learned from which has been my intention all along - do you mean that after Heylel's fall he did not become satan but became Adam?

I would very much so be thankful and pleased if you could go more in depth into this with me. I find your particular creed to be quite interesting. It's not that this is all very new to me, it's the way you come across with it I think.

I have heard before that Adam was Lucifer/Prometheus but none have been able to explain how it was a punishment to be kicked out of Heaven just go go into Eden which was before it became corrupted the closest thing to Heaven this side of it. I find this especially curious relating to the eagle which pecks out Prometheus' liver each day. Eden seems like a reward in comparison does it not?

Some say that the serpent was sent there by The Father, was a part of him, and that satan is actually a part of The Father - regressing back to the Demiurge concept - some say that all of the negative aspects of the Universe have just been thrown off on Heylel and that he is not truly satan.

As I said, I would much appreciate your clarification on these few issues and any further discussion I would be greatly thankful for as well.


much love brother Edward,



melchizedek
 Quoting: priest melchizedek


melchizedek, sorry about that ! Small letter "m". Done !
Ill compose my thoughts a little and see what I can do in answering.

You seen sincere with "wanting " to understand about Heylel

Ill be back.

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Well brother Edward, do not take this the wrong way but I believe that I already do know about him, I am merely curious as to your perspective. I am always looking to learn, always looking to understand how other people can come to a conclusion which they support whole-heartedly as you do.


The versions that I am used to seem different than what you believe, it seems that in your version Heylel may have been vindicated of doing any wrong, as if it was following God's command to fall and become satan and not his pride and free will which led him to become the chief rebel angel, the great deceiver.

Thank you for agreeing to take the time to discuss this with me! I greatly appreciate it!





much love,


melchizedek
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mel,

I wrote this just now

HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
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In Isaiah we are introduced to Lucifer known as Daystar Son of dawn. In Hebrew is name is (Helel Ben-Shachar) . We will look at the meanings of Helel, also spelled as Heylel. Haylel. Meaning "Praise or Boast"

Helel is also hallel which means "Praise in Song. hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase. hallelu, is masculine form of the Hebrew verb hallal. followed by Jah. "hallelujah"also means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. It could also refer to someone who acts madly or foolishly (wiki)


So we do have Helel, Hallel means Praise, Mad, Foolish. followed by Jah, which means, Hallelujah ! But lets get back to Lucifer....

Isaiah 14:12

When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! …

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV.

How you are fallen from heaven, O Day star, son of Dawn! (Helel Ben-Shachar)

How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheoul to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?

Compiled by Frank W. Nelte

Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV:

117 times = Praise

14 times = Glory

10 times = Boast

8 times = Mad

3 times = Shine(d)

3 times = Foolish

2 times = Fools

2 times = Commended

2 times = Rage

1 time = Celebrate

1 time = Give

1 time = Marriage

1 time = Renowned
"This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative"

Comment by Edward: Whether its the name of Proud, Mad, Lucifer, Or Praise and Celebrate Jah
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Dear Brother under Melchizedek...

I so appreciate your kind lettter...
I believe Jesus refused the Throne as Jewish Mosiach and became a great Gnostic Teacher and yes, with Fathers blessings, created a new religion, with Paul and Constantine polishing it off to create Catholicism and Christianity.

I think Heylel once was in the Garden of Eden,and something happened there that changed the course of History....

I believe that the Christ bearing the Iron Rod and Gods Wrath in Revelation is yet to come. But he is not Jesus, as that would almost be a insult to this humble, gentle man.. who was more meek than what Revelation would require..

I believe a Ram will take the Throne and not a lamb.

This is how my Masters taught me and it has brought me blessings and respect for all faiths, teaching me we are all ONE, ever changing, yet at the same time ever the same, We are in it together

Then one day a New Melchizedek will Anoint another and begin a new nation for God and the path begins anew, this I believe...

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Brother Edward, I would be pleased to explain to you who I really am through personal messaging, or maybe even in public if I feel so inclined by God (still disappointed that you will not respect my wish to not capitalize my name, perhaps petty I know, it's just a personal thing) but know that I am not under melchizedek, it is who I am.


If I gather correctly, and please forgive me if I misunderstand - now that we are passed pleasantries and the cards are out on the table, it will be easier to only learn and be learned from which has been my intention all along - do you mean that after Heylel's fall he did not become satan but became Adam?

I would very much so be thankful and pleased if you could go more in depth into this with me. I find your particular creed to be quite interesting. It's not that this is all very new to me, it's the way you come across with it I think.

I have heard before that Adam was Lucifer/Prometheus but none have been able to explain how it was a punishment to be kicked out of Heaven just go go into Eden which was before it became corrupted the closest thing to Heaven this side of it. I find this especially curious relating to the eagle which pecks out Prometheus' liver each day. Eden seems like a reward in comparison does it not?

Some say that the serpent was sent there by The Father, was a part of him, and that satan is actually a part of The Father - regressing back to the Demiurge concept - some say that all of the negative aspects of the Universe have just been thrown off on Heylel and that he is not truly satan.

As I said, I would much appreciate your clarification on these few issues and any further discussion I would be greatly thankful for as well.


much love brother Edward,



melchizedek
 Quoting: priest melchizedek


melchizedek, sorry about that ! Small letter "m". Done !
Ill compose my thoughts a little and see what I can do in answering.

You seen sincere with "wanting " to understand about Heylel

Ill be back.

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Well brother Edward, do not take this the wrong way but I believe that I already do know about him, I am merely curious as to your perspective. I am always looking to learn, always looking to understand how other people can come to a conclusion which they support whole-heartedly as you do.


The versions that I am used to seem different than what you believe, it seems that in your version Heylel may have been vindicated of doing any wrong, as if it was following God's command to fall and become satan and not his pride and free will which led him to become the chief rebel angel, the great deceiver.

Thank you for agreeing to take the time to discuss this with me! I greatly appreciate it!





much love,


melchizedek
 Quoting: priest melchizedek


mel.

You asked about my views on Adam. Here it is, Much love, Edward.

ADAM KADMON, the Birth of Messiah. Compiled by Edward M, Dew. (Alchemist)
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In the Sephir Yetizerah. It is said that the birth of Adam took place on Rosh Hashanah, the New year in the year . September , 3761. it is said he was the first true human being with a soul that made him into a spiritual being.

Before Adam it is siad that 974 generations lived, or 25,000 years ago. Mankind did live in a physical and mental form(made from the dust. Genesis 2:7) but lacked a soul. It was this soul of Mosiach however that hovered about the waters..

And the spirit of G-d hovered [above the waters]." Our Sages tell us that this is actually referring to the soul of Moshiach. The Hebrew words in the verse "v'ruach Elokim m'rachefet" have the same numerical value as the words "This is the spirit of Melech HaMoshiach" - zeh haya rucho shel Melech HaMashiach.

(from Discover Moshiach)

Adam Kadmon (Primordial Man) or Aveer Qadmon is the Azoth or Primitive Air from the first matter.

Here is a interesting qoute'

Adam will supposedly be reincarnated as the Messiah, the Third Adam "when time will finally cease." (Rev.10:6)

"Each major historical period had its progenitor who took the role of the new Adam." - 66:8
"…in the context of the larger Kabbalistic views…the secret of the name Adam apparently points to a well-known acronym: ‘Adam, David, Mashiyah’….mean(ing) that Adam’s soul has been reincarnated in the body of David, who will return as the Messiah… The Messiah therefore, will possess the soul that first inhabited Adam [the primordial ideal man] and then David." - 293:189

"And so the first Adam – the Adam Kadmon created before time began – would at long last become the last Adam, the crown of all creation, at whose advent time would finally cease [according to the secret lore of the Pharisees]." - 294:243-244 (watch pair.com)
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Brother Edward, I would be pleased to explain to you who I really am through personal messaging, or maybe even in public if I feel so inclined by God (still disappointed that you will not respect my wish to not capitalize my name, perhaps petty I know, it's just a personal thing) but know that I am not under melchizedek, it is who I am.


If I gather correctly, and please forgive me if I misunderstand - now that we are passed pleasantries and the cards are out on the table, it will be easier to only learn and be learned from which has been my intention all along - do you mean that after Heylel's fall he did not become satan but became Adam?

I would very much so be thankful and pleased if you could go more in depth into this with me. I find your particular creed to be quite interesting. It's not that this is all very new to me, it's the way you come across with it I think.

I have heard before that Adam was Lucifer/Prometheus but none have been able to explain how it was a punishment to be kicked out of Heaven just go go into Eden which was before it became corrupted the closest thing to Heaven this side of it. I find this especially curious relating to the eagle which pecks out Prometheus' liver each day. Eden seems like a reward in comparison does it not?

Some say that the serpent was sent there by The Father, was a part of him, and that satan is actually a part of The Father - regressing back to the Demiurge concept - some say that all of the negative aspects of the Universe have just been thrown off on Heylel and that he is not truly satan.

As I said, I would much appreciate your clarification on these few issues and any further discussion I would be greatly thankful for as well.


much love brother Edward,



melchizedek
 Quoting: priest melchizedek


melchizedek, sorry about that ! Small letter "m". Done !
Ill compose my thoughts a little and see what I can do in answering.

You seen sincere with "wanting " to understand about Heylel

Ill be back.

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Well brother Edward, do not take this the wrong way but I believe that I already do know about him, I am merely curious as to your perspective. I am always looking to learn, always looking to understand how other people can come to a conclusion which they support whole-heartedly as you do.


The versions that I am used to seem different than what you believe, it seems that in your version Heylel may have been vindicated of doing any wrong, as if it was following God's command to fall and become satan and not his pride and free will which led him to become the chief rebel angel, the great deceiver.

Thank you for agreeing to take the time to discuss this with me! I greatly appreciate it!





much love,


melchizedek
 Quoting: priest melchizedek


mel.

You asked about my fews on Adam. Here it is, Much love, Edward.

ADAM KADMON, the Birth of Messiah. Compiled by Edward M, Dew. (Alchemist)
Suggest Pin Quote [+]

In the Sephir Yetizerah. It is said that the birth of Adam took place on Rosh Hashanah, the New year in the year . September , 3761. it is said he was the first true human being with a soul that made him into a spiritual being.

Before Adam it is siad that 974 generations lived, or 25,000 years ago. Mankind did live in a physical and mental form(made from the dust. Genesis 2:7) but lacked a soul. It was this soul of Mosiach however that hovered about the waters..

And the spirit of G-d hovered [above the waters]." Our Sages tell us that this is actually referring to the soul of Moshiach. The Hebrew words in the verse "v'ruach Elokim m'rachefet" have the same numerical value as the words "This is the spirit of Melech HaMoshiach" - zeh haya rucho shel Melech HaMashiach.

(from Discover Moshiach)

Adam Kadmon (Primordial Man) or Aveer Qadmon is the Azoth or Primitive Air from the first matter.

Here is a interesting qoute'

Adam will supposedly be reincarnated as the Messiah, the Third Adam "when time will finally cease." (Rev.10:6)

"Each major historical period had its progenitor who took the role of the new Adam." - 66:8
"…in the context of the larger Kabbalistic views…the secret of the name Adam apparently points to a well-known acronym: ‘Adam, David, Mashiyah’….mean(ing) that Adam’s soul has been reincarnated in the body of David, who will return as the Messiah… The Messiah therefore, will possess the soul that first inhabited Adam [the primordial ideal man] and then David." - 293:189

"And so the first Adam – the Adam Kadmon created before time began – would at long last become the last Adam, the crown of all creation, at whose advent time would finally cease [according to the secret lore of the Pharisees]." - 294:243-244 (watch pair.com)
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Brother Edward, I appreciate the effort but let me say that I was hoping for a more personal discourse where you could answer questions more specifically. I do not learn much by these more generalized and pre written essays. Not that I am trying to demean their quality, it is just a little too impersonal for me.

Also, and please don't take this as quibbling, but nicknames are one thing that bother me as our name describes who we are and what we do, and as a personal request throughout our discourse (if we continue to have such) if you refer to me by my name could you please show me the courtesy of writing the full thing?

Your piece on Heylel is good, I have seen all of this information before. I was curious as to his real name because there was a time when I was praying and researching about the functions, names, discint weapon, color, element, and personality of the seven Archangels, the seven stars or spirits which God holds in His hand (here in order of creation: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Saraqael, Raguel, and Remiel), eight if you want to include Heylel before the fall, and I noticed that Lucifer is not the true name of an angel because it does not end in "el" and I always had a feeling that this was a name that satan made for himself to further deceive others with.

I saw the original name as written in Isaiah and connected the term "praise" or "boast" with "of God" and discovered his true name and meaning which made perfect sense. Names describe what we are, what we do, and for Heylel this was perfect because it would be the antithesis of satan, the accuser. Boasting of God or Praising God was all Heylel ever did before the fall, and afterward when he turned into the exact opposite of his countenance and function all he did was curse and accuse God.

With all of this said, I have a couple more questions for you because I was brooding out the relations between your beliefs and the Prodigal Son story, which I must thank you again for revealing to me, and I came across many interesting possibilities.


Most of the theories I have learned from others involves in the mysteries and from my own research and prayer has led me to believe that almost all of these involve the concept of the Demiurge in relation to the Father. I described this earlier in some of my posts.

My question to you is that do you believe God commanded Heylel to fall? Do you believe that it was not his pride and free will which caused him to separate himself from God, to avoid eating from the trees of life, avoid drinking from the streams of life, to avoid worship and praising and boasting of God and thus refuse God's energy which would have kept him pure? Do you think that God commanded or willed in one way or another for him to do these things until he went insane and started spreading his lies to all other angels and thus fell along with a third of his brothers and sisters?

Of course I am being specific about the means of how this happened, you do not have to address them all. Some of this is merely what I have been shown through prayer.

Or do you believe that Heylel was used as a pawn by God, that God was very aware that Heylel was going to fall because of his own free will yet God let this happen because He never intervenes and God knew that He could use this evil to test the hearts of all of His creations based on their desires to see who was worthy of eternal life with Him?


I am just stating two scenarios, when I was brooding on this subject earlier I could think of countless variations. If you would like, I will share with you what I believe but I was curious if you could go into a little more detail with me of your own personal beliefs. I am not asking to try and expose you or defame you, I ask you only with respect as a brother. Also if you would like to have these conversations in private instead, I can respect that.


I guess my main two questions are these: do you believe that Heylel is innocent of all wrong doing? And do you believe that God The Father is at all related to or is of the Demiurge concept?

One more as well, what is your idea of the Trinity?


I greatly appreciate any time and effort you take out to answer these personally. I also mean this in no foul way when I say it is a pleasure speaking with you.

Much love to you brother Edward,



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melchizedek, sorry about that ! Small letter "m". Done !
Ill compose my thoughts a little and see what I can do in answering.

You seen sincere with "wanting " to understand about Heylel

Ill be back.

-Ordo
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Well brother Edward, do not take this the wrong way but I believe that I already do know about him, I am merely curious as to your perspective. I am always looking to learn, always looking to understand how other people can come to a conclusion which they support whole-heartedly as you do.


The versions that I am used to seem different than what you believe, it seems that in your version Heylel may have been vindicated of doing any wrong, as if it was following God's command to fall and become satan and not his pride and free will which led him to become the chief rebel angel, the great deceiver.

Thank you for agreeing to take the time to discuss this with me! I greatly appreciate it!





much love,


melchizedek
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mel.

You asked about my fews on Adam. Here it is, Much love, Edward.

ADAM KADMON, the Birth of Messiah. Compiled by Edward M, Dew. (Alchemist)
Suggest Pin Quote [+]

In the Sephir Yetizerah. It is said that the birth of Adam took place on Rosh Hashanah, the New year in the year . September , 3761. it is said he was the first true human being with a soul that made him into a spiritual being.

Before Adam it is siad that 974 generations lived, or 25,000 years ago. Mankind did live in a physical and mental form(made from the dust. Genesis 2:7) but lacked a soul. It was this soul of Mosiach however that hovered about the waters..

And the spirit of G-d hovered [above the waters]." Our Sages tell us that this is actually referring to the soul of Moshiach. The Hebrew words in the verse "v'ruach Elokim m'rachefet" have the same numerical value as the words "This is the spirit of Melech HaMoshiach" - zeh haya rucho shel Melech HaMashiach.

(from Discover Moshiach)

Adam Kadmon (Primordial Man) or Aveer Qadmon is the Azoth or Primitive Air from the first matter.

Here is a interesting qoute'

Adam will supposedly be reincarnated as the Messiah, the Third Adam "when time will finally cease." (Rev.10:6)

"Each major historical period had its progenitor who took the role of the new Adam." - 66:8
"…in the context of the larger Kabbalistic views…the secret of the name Adam apparently points to a well-known acronym: ‘Adam, David, Mashiyah’….mean(ing) that Adam’s soul has been reincarnated in the body of David, who will return as the Messiah… The Messiah therefore, will possess the soul that first inhabited Adam [the primordial ideal man] and then David." - 293:189

"And so the first Adam – the Adam Kadmon created before time began – would at long last become the last Adam, the crown of all creation, at whose advent time would finally cease [according to the secret lore of the Pharisees]." - 294:243-244 (watch pair.com)
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM



Brother Edward, I appreciate the effort but let me say that I was hoping for a more personal discourse where you could answer questions more specifically. I do not learn much by these more generalized and pre written essays. Not that I am trying to demean their quality, it is just a little too impersonal for me.

Also, and please don't take this as quibbling, but nicknames are one thing that bother me as our name describes who we are and what we do, and as a personal request throughout our discourse (if we continue to have such) if you refer to me by my name could you please show me the courtesy of writing the full thing?

Your piece on Heylel is good, I have seen all of this information before. I was curious as to his real name because there was a time when I was praying and researching about the functions, names, discint weapon, color, element, and personality of the seven Archangels, the seven stars or spirits which God holds in His hand (here in order of creation: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Saraqael, Raguel, and Remiel), eight if you want to include Heylel before the fall, and I noticed that Lucifer is not the true name of an angel because it does not end in "el" and I always had a feeling that this was a name that satan made for himself to further deceive others with.

I saw the original name as written in Isaiah and connected the term "praise" or "boast" with "of God" and discovered his true name and meaning which made perfect sense. Names describe what we are, what we do, and for Heylel this was perfect because it would be the antithesis of satan, the accuser. Boasting of God or Praising God was all Heylel ever did before the fall, and afterward when he turned into the exact opposite of his countenance and function all he did was curse and accuse God.

With all of this said, I have a couple more questions for you because I was brooding out the relations between your beliefs and the Prodigal Son story, which I must thank you again for revealing to me, and I came across many interesting possibilities.


Most of the theories I have learned from others involves in the mysteries and from my own research and prayer has led me to believe that almost all of these involve the concept of the Demiurge in relation to the Father. I described this earlier in some of my posts.

My question to you is that do you believe God commanded Heylel to fall? Do you believe that it was not his pride and free will which caused him to separate himself from God, to avoid eating from the trees of life, avoid drinking from the streams of life, to avoid worship and praising and boasting of God and thus refuse God's energy which would have kept him pure? Do you think that God commanded or willed in one way or another for him to do these things until he went insane and started spreading his lies to all other angels and thus fell along with a third of his brothers and sisters?

Of course I am being specific about the means of how this happened, you do not have to address them all. Some of this is merely what I have been shown through prayer.

Or do you believe that Heylel was used as a pawn by God, that God was very aware that Heylel was going to fall because of his own free will yet God let this happen because He never intervenes and God knew that He could use this evil to test the hearts of all of His creations based on their desires to see who was worthy of eternal life with Him?


I am just stating two scenarios, when I was brooding on this subject earlier I could think of countless variations. If you would like, I will share with you what I believe but I was curious if you could go into a little more detail with me of your own personal beliefs. I am not asking to try and expose you or defame you, I ask you only with respect as a brother. Also if you would like to have these conversations in private instead, I can respect that.


I guess my main two questions are these: do you believe that Heylel is innocent of all wrong doing? And do you believe that God The Father is at all related to or is of the Demiurge concept?

One more as well, what is your idea of the Trinity?


I greatly appreciate any time and effort you take out to answer these personally. I also mean this in no foul way when I say it is a pleasure speaking with you.

Much love to you brother Edward,



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melchizedek, it is my dream to meet someone of your learned ness. and education. Your IQ must be in the 140's -160s ! Am I right?

Very excellent questions. From my studies in Theology and the Mysteries. I found a cover up by the Churches that the Gods Elohim did indeed descend down upon earth from Pleaides. Alcyon, which can be likened to Zion. I researched early Christians before the 1900s that easily believed that Pleaides was the Throne of God.

When Civilization first began, Draco was the North Pole Star, hence the heavy symbolism of Dragons. Taurus was constellation that held the Star System Pleaides so the early Egyptians wore Bull headresses, It was also the Aeon of Taurus,

Moses got incensed cause it was the Aeon of Aries and not the Aeon of Taurus by the time he led the Israelites out

Anyways back to Elohim and Lucifer

According to tradition there is always TWO SONS. Like Romulus and Remus,

the Pisces was often attributed to Jesus and Lucifer cause its swimming in two directions.

I believed that God Loved Lucifer with his whole heart, But something went wrong in Eden.

I prayed to God with my whole heart and spent countless hours in meditation, sweating, crying and praying.

I am a Ordained Minister as a teenager, and as a young adult, I left the churches after butting heads with my Elders, lol..

I prayed for a answer to Haylel in my spare time, cause I hated Lucifer, and all that he represented, Even when I was in church I always feared him and hated the name cause I was always a self righteous person and a Christian.

It was then I saw him... A beautiful young man, of sound limb and great beauty. He was very young too. Only a Teenager..

I also saw a heavenly court of Elders and saw this young man crying and being sentenced, But in the tears there was also a self righteous anger, Like he was howling.. (other definitions of Haylels name, HYLL)

I realized he had done something wrong and he was being punished. ....

It was then the dream ended...
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melchizedek, I have more into my studies on young Heylel...and it got me into Luciferianism, the occult and more. But I still wasnt satisfied. You may guess where I went for more answers and am satisfied today with my progress in figuring it out.

My God will always be Yahweh. the Father, Abba. I believe Haylel did something in Eden that the Caduceus holds the secret to.

I believe he is the Prodigal Son, as spoken of in the Bible, and that he is forgiven and loved

As to whether he was a pawn or not. I believe the problem was that Yahweh the Father was a newer parent and TOO LENIENT and like a parent thats new, got the surprise of their life when their child grew up and got into trouble.

You can see that strict laws followed in the Old Testament Leviticus, a reaction to the paradise that was lost.

In other studies, I am tentively believing that Heylel was adopted, and Yahweh was his adoptive Father. But its another story...

PS, heres the Prodigal Son verses. It is the Prodigal Son that gets the big party at the end !

In Gods love
Edward

Lucifer, the Beloved Son.


The Father loves Lucifer with all his heart, The Son is now Next to His Father in Heaven... They are about to commence the Kingdom of God

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The Parable of the Lost Son

Luke 15:11-32

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

“Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

“When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

“The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

“But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

“Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

“The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

“‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”
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melchizedek, Ill get my views on Satan next.

It will be later tonight or in the morning, Id be eager to hear your feedback on what I wrote sofar

It was funny I had a typo earlier, I wrote FEW instead of VIEW. something like that . lol...

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Thank you very much brother, those are both fascinating.


I gather from what you've been kind enough to share with me that you adhere to the belief that The Father, or Yahweh, or Adonai is but one of many creator God's, one of the many Elohim?

Do you also believe that these beings are imperfect as in the various Demiurge scenarios, or do you believe that these are the highest form of life, that these would have the attributes which the common man would associate with an all powerful, all knowing, omniscient being?

Do you believe that there is one of these Elohim that is far above the rest, a ruler of sorts? If so, is this the Father or Yahweh of the Torah?

Please forgive me for all of these questions, but I find your perspective fascinating and am encountering things which I have not discovered through my own research or through speaking with others who have been initiated into the mysteries through various societies.


If you are so inclined, can you please explain the relationship to Adam and Heylel? I am also a bit confused because I think you mentioned Heylel and Lucifer as two different beings.


As well, if you do not believe that Heylel fell and became satan, can you explain to me what your belief on satan is? His origins? His function?

Again I apologize I have so many questions, but what is it to live in this existence and not to question? It is part of what makes us who we are.


Thank you again brother Edward, you have been most kind in sharing these things with me.



much love,


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Thank you very much brother, those are both fascinating.


I gather from what you've been kind enough to share with me that you adhere to the belief that The Father, or Yahweh, or Adonai is but one of many creator God's, one of the many Elohim?

Do you also believe that these beings are imperfect as in the various Demiurge scenarios, or do you believe that these are the highest form of life, that these would have the attributes which the common man would associate with an all powerful, all knowing, omniscient being?

Do you believe that there is one of these Elohim that is far above the rest, a ruler of sorts? If so, is this the Father or Yahweh of the Torah?

Please forgive me for all of these questions, but I find your perspective fascinating and am encountering things which I have not discovered through my own research or through speaking with others who have been initiated into the mysteries through various societies.


If you are so inclined, can you please explain the relationship to Adam and Heylel? I am also a bit confused because I think you mentioned Heylel and Lucifer as two different beings.


As well, if you do not believe that Heylel fell and became satan, can you explain to me what your belief on satan is? His origins? His function?

Again I apologize I have so many questions, but what is it to live in this existence and not to question? It is part of what makes us who we are.


Thank you again brother Edward, you have been most kind in sharing these things with me.



much love,


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melchizedek, Hello ! Thanks for writing so promptly. I wanted to clarify that when I say Lucifer or Haylel. I mean the same person, Haylel Lucifer, and that something did go wrong in Eden at the Tree of Gnosis.

About Satan, Satan in my research is actually feminine. Most tentively in close relation to the Sophia Pistis or Gods Wife........ WHOAAA, Everyone, Please dont crucify me over this, I can explain more

In Rosh Algol. Medusa Constellation. The Full name is Rosh Algol Satan. and she is female.

In Qabalah the Right Pillar, or Feminine Right Brain is Severity, Left Pillar, Male Left Brain is Mercy..

Immortality is the Equilibrium or both, The Divine Hermaphrodite.

Lucifer is often seen as a Divine Hermaphrodite. Many Gnostics call Lucifer, Lucy for his feminine side.

It gets really confusing, but Ill explain more on the Demi urge Iaodaboath, and Yahweh in a later letter tonight or in the Morn..

-Edward.

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