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Here we go!! Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)!!!!

 
TX PATRIOT
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Read the constitution. That is the AGREEMENT that Arizona came into the union under. If one party breaks the agreement (contract), the other has a right to take reasonable, logical action.
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Spot on

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Arizona would lose money not gain money if they did that.
Arizona gets $1.19 for every 1 dollar they pay in federal income tax.
They would lose that .19 cents per dollar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244415


Ummmm....then they find another way to make up the .19 per dollar. Oh, I don't know, maybe like increasing state taxes or state sales tax on high value items. I'd pay it for sovereignty. And god forbid any state actually cut ineffective programs where there is no ROI or benefit. Trim the fat.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 1241252



If USA. Inc. didn't have it's fingers in so many illegal operations around the world it wouldn't be driving itself into bankruptcy.

Make the Federal government small like it is supposed to be and the states will have lots of money and the people wouldn't be being robbed.
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We Mexicans are wating with our claws to get it back...Go ahead do itmacgun
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

This piece of crap Mexican is a trouble maker. Most all of us love are gringo brothers and sisters, and want no problems. We just want a peaceful life..hf
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02/02/2011 08:49 PM
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I say cut off all federal aid and have every angency leave Arizona. We will see what happens.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


federalist scum
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052269


They want to secede fine but you must realize it works both ways.

If you want your own rules that is fine you just don't get help from the government to do it.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Read the constitution. That is the AGREEMENT that Arizona came into the union under. If one party breaks the agreement (contract), the other has a right to take reasonable, logical action.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747095


Can we cede Arizona to China to pay down debt?
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02/02/2011 08:50 PM
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We Mexicans are wating with our claws to get it back...Go ahead do itmacgun
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

This piece of crap Mexican is a trouble maker. Most all of us love are gringo brothers and sisters, and want no problems. We just want a peaceful life..hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252868

Thats all most of us want too. You would be welcome...IF you are true in your words
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02/02/2011 08:52 PM
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We Mexicans are wating with our claws to get it back...Go ahead do itmacgun
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

This piece of crap Mexican is a trouble maker. Most all of us love are gringo brothers and sisters, and want no problems. We just want a peaceful life..hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252868


I believe you, I would too. You are welcome here. I am not paying the way for you, just as I would not ask anyone to pay my way.
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federalist scum
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052269


They want to secede fine but you must realize it works both ways.

If you want your own rules that is fine you just don't get help from the government to do it.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Read the constitution. That is the AGREEMENT that Arizona came into the union under. If one party breaks the agreement (contract), the other has a right to take reasonable, logical action.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747095


Can we cede Arizona to China to pay down debt?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244415

Can you eat a dick up till you hiccup? FUCK YOU you FUCKIN TRAITOR
Forever the Student
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02/02/2011 08:53 PM
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Arizona gets $1.19 from the Federal Govt for every $1.00 its citizens pay in federal income tax.
So they could lose that .19 cents difference if the Feds decide to withold it.
Feds have threatened and cut money to states over seatbelt and drunk driving laws and the states ALL folded.
Even Texas balanced their budget on Federal Stimulus Funds last year.

States that GET more than they GIVE
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244415



the fed taxes EVERYTHING....

not just income.

More than 55% of your pay does NOTHING but pay taxes !

They tell us every year!

"The average guy must now work till mid July...

just to cover his tax bill
."


Your info is incomplete...

Consider ALL forms of federal taxation.



Your tunnel vision only serves to undermine your credibility.



hf
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02/02/2011 08:54 PM
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Read the constitution. That is the AGREEMENT that Arizona came into the union under. If one party breaks the agreement (contract), the other has a right to take reasonable, logical action.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747095


Spot on

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 1241252
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02/02/2011 08:56 PM
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Arizona gets $1.19 from the Federal Govt for every $1.00 its citizens pay in federal income tax.
So they could lose that .19 cents difference if the Feds decide to withold it.
Feds have threatened and cut money to states over seatbelt and drunk driving laws and the states ALL folded.
Even Texas balanced their budget on Federal Stimulus Funds last year.

States that GET more than they GIVE
[link to img268.imageshack.us]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244415



the fed taxes EVERYTHING....

not just income.

More than 55% of your pay does NOTHING but pay taxes !

They tell us every year!

"The average guy must now work till mid July...

just to cover his tax bill
."


Your info is incomplete...

Consider ALL forms of federal taxation.

Totally agree.



Your tunnel vision only serves to undermine your credibility.



hf
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02/02/2011 08:57 PM
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The OP is bullshit - nullifying specific federal laws or regulations does not equal secession. Arizona residences and businesses will still pay federal taxes, they won't require papers to travel to another state, they will still receive federal aid, they will still allow residency from other states, they will still be under the scope of national defense.

Secession lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896489


+1000

OP is a strong candidate for the Non Sequitur of the Day award.
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If USA. Inc. didn't have it's fingers in so many illegal operations around the world it wouldn't be driving itself into bankruptcy.

Make the Federal government small like it is supposed to be and the states will have lots of money and the people wouldn't be being robbed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747095


I would like to see the individual states of the Union be just that: take care of state business, trade with each other and force the fed gov to comply with the limited powers as stated in the Constitution. WE - and ONLY WE - GIVE THEM (all gov) THEIR AUTHORITY.


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02/02/2011 08:58 PM
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Arizona would lose money not gain money if they did that.
Arizona gets $1.19 for every 1 dollar they pay in federal income tax.
They would lose that .19 cents per dollar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244415


Ummmm....then they find another way to make up the .19 per dollar. Oh, I don't know, maybe like increasing state taxes or state sales tax on high value items. I'd pay it for sovereignty. And god forbid any state actually cut ineffective programs where there is no ROI or benefit. Trim the fat.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 1241252



If USA. Inc. didn't have it's fingers in so many illegal operations around the world it wouldn't be driving itself into bankruptcy.

Make the Federal government small like it is supposed to be and the states will have lots of money and the people wouldn't be being robbed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747095


+1000
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02/02/2011 08:59 PM
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I say cut off all federal aid and have every angency leave Arizona. We will see what happens.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey





Once free of the massive federal corruption, they would become wealthy beyond imagination.
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AZ will save money by seceding. All states pay more into the Fed/Gov than they get back.
 Quoting: Pocket Watch


No not in the case of AZ which gets $1.19 for every $1.00 it gives the feds.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Does that include all federal tax returns, where did you get you're information,
. Arizona can survive without the moneys going to the federal government, if they kept the money them self's
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 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey



if liberal states are better they should have no problem when red states secede

time for us to separate peacefully
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02/02/2011 09:04 PM
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We Mexicans are wating with our claws to get it back...Go ahead do itmacgun
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

You guys can't even secure your own country, what makes you think you can take Arizona ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198592


Well, you can't secure your own border the proof is that many of my cousins live there, I just wonder when Federal help doesn't go to AZ anymore, you will be crying for a re-union, racist bastards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052


ur pretty, clueless and I was going to say funny but pitifll and duhhh is more appropriate
We kicked ur azz once and can moST eASILY do it agaIN

look at mexico, when we won it in the war and then were kind enough to pay you as well, America And mexi were new;
now lookie!
mexi is trashed and we live in America the beautiful, one of the most desireable and richest countries in the World.
y'all and your brdbugs are doing everything you can to get here
Jealous Loosers ...
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02/02/2011 09:05 PM
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No I'm cutting big government out of a seceding state.


But really such a law is unconstitutional.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


WHat you're doing is running your mouth without knowing what you're talking about.

9th Amendment gives the States the right to reserve any right for itself it wants - including nullifying federal statutes that are inherently unconstitutional
 Quoting: C74R1TY-44



Some jurists have asserted that the Ninth Amendment is relevant to interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment. Justice Arthur Goldberg (joined by Chief Justice Earl Warren and Justice William Brennan) expressed this view in a concurring opinion in the case of Griswold v. Connecticut (1965):

The Framers did not intend that the first eight amendments be construed to exhaust the basic and fundamental rights.... I do not mean to imply that the .... Ninth Amendment constitutes an independent source of rights protected from infringement by either the States or the Federal Government....While the Ninth Amendment - and indeed the entire Bill of Rights - originally concerned restrictions upon federal power, the subsequently enacted Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the States as well from abridging fundamental personal liberties. And, the Ninth Amendment, in indicating that not all such liberties are specifically mentioned in the first eight amendments, is surely relevant in showing the existence of other fundamental personal rights, now protected from state, as well as federal, infringement. In sum, the Ninth Amendment simply lends strong support to the view that the "liberty" protected by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments from infringement by the Federal Government or the States is not restricted to rights specifically mentioned in the first eight amendments. Cf. United Public Workers v. Mitchell, 330 U.S. 75, 94-95.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey



Nicely done!


hf
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02/02/2011 09:11 PM
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Go for it, the United States Government does not care about the safety of its citizens on it southern border. Cares more about corporate profits. I remember when American teenage boys worked many of these jobs, without games on computers. They kept in shape and met girls and got married. Now American women are prey to these illiterate, predatory men who do the work nowadays. You won't here this angle anywhere, too politically incorrect.

I miss our country before these invading masses arrived. They have helped ensure our cream does not rise to the top like it used to.
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02/02/2011 09:16 PM
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HELL YEAH!!! Looks like I might just have to move if this passes.
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I say cut off all federal aid and have every angency leave Arizona. We will see what happens.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


federalist scum
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052269


They want to secede fine but you must realize it works both ways.

If you want your own rules that is fine you just don't get help from the government to do it.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey

Your such a dumb ass, you really think the other states would allow some invading fucks to take it over! Not likely. The Fed is a big fail, we all know it. So get your old flat wrinkly ass straightened out.
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02/02/2011 09:20 PM
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well if Jews took back Israel and it was Ok I wonder why Mexicans can not take back Arizona and Texas and CA
 Quoting: fërú.


Lets see...millions of illegal Mexicans leave their own country every year by sneaking over the boarder, to live and work in Arizona, Texas and CA in the USA for a so called better life, all because you can't get a better life in your own f-ing country!

In a way I hope illegal Mexicans do take back Arizona, Texas and CA so it can be run by the Mexican Government, the same Mexican Government that illegal Mexicans sneaked over the boarder to get away from. I would love to see this happen, just so I can LMAO (Laugh My Ass Off) watching the faces of all the millions of illegal Mexicans currently living in Arizona, Texas and CA when they get the word they now live back in their suckass country of Mexico again! LMAO at them being controlled by the Mexican Government again, LMAO at them getting paid for their hard work with a worthless Peso currency again. LMAO at them when they get no more free stuff from the US Tax Payers!
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one law Arizona needs to pass is: You can not buy or own land in Arizona unless you are a US Citizen.

Actually that needs to be a federal law or a law in every state.
 Quoting: Nailer45


So you want to destroy foreign investment? You realise that then the USA would need to find some other way to pay for all those imports?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1253373

Only allow people to buy property if their country allows foreigners to purchase property. Mexico doesn't.
 Quoting: Lotta Rock


Yes, they do. They, however, do not (officially) allow foreigners to purchase beachfront property. There are ways around that, though.


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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 1241252

Your'e right. My buddy, Don Tyson, owned some badass land on Cabo.RIP...GBA
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If USA. Inc. didn't have it's fingers in so many illegal operations around the world it wouldn't be driving itself into bankruptcy.

Make the Federal government small like it is supposed to be and the states will have lots of money and the people wouldn't be being robbed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747095


I would like to see the individual states of the Union be just that: take care of state business, trade with each other and force the fed gov to comply with the limited powers as stated in the Constitution. WE - and ONLY WE - GIVE THEM (all gov) THEIR AUTHORITY.


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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 1241252



Putting the cookie jar on the top shelf and make them ask "please".
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Arizona should just do it and get it over with, be free from the shackles of the fed gov and do as it sees fit.


The US Government has turned into a Tyrant terrorist organization that I now consider the #1 enemy of the People.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
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We Mexicans are wating with our claws to get it back...Go ahead do itmacgun
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

You guys can't even secure your own country, what makes you think you can take Arizona ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198592


Well, you can't secure your own border the proof is that many of my cousins live there, I just wonder when Federal help doesn't go to AZ anymore, you will be crying for a re-union, racist bastards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

Hey, dipshit! Mexican is NOT A RACE
It is a NATIONALITY

Stupido con no educaccion
LOL
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02/02/2011 09:31 PM
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well if Jews took back Israel and it was Ok I wonder why Mexicans can not take back Arizona and Texas and CA
 Quoting: fërú.


Lets see...millions of illegal Mexicans leave their own country every year by sneaking over the boarder, to live and work in Arizona, Texas and CA in the USA for a so called better life, all because you can't get a better life in your own f-ing country!

In a way I hope illegal Mexicans do take back Arizona, Texas and CA so it can be run by the Mexican Government, the same Mexican Government that illegal Mexicans sneaked over the boarder to get away from. I would love to see this happen, just so I can LMAO (Laugh My Ass Off) watching the faces of all the millions of illegal Mexicans currently living in Arizona, Texas and CA when they get the word they now live back in their suckass country of Mexico again! LMAO at them being controlled by the Mexican Government again, LMAO at them getting paid for their hard work with a worthless Peso currency again. LMAO at them when they get no more free stuff from the US Tax Payers!
 Quoting: snowgoosebob

Do you really think the ARMED people of Az. are gonna let that happen? The state of Arizona could SQUASH the Mexican military on their own. Think about it a bunch of flippin drug dealers are kickin their ass. Do you really think all the VETERANS in Az. Tx. NM. are going to let Mexico take Az.?

Some of you are really way behind the times
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We Mexicans are wating with our claws to get it back...Go ahead do itmacgun
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247052

This piece of crap Mexican is a trouble maker. Most all of us love are gringo brothers and sisters, and want no problems. We just want a peaceful life..hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252868

....and twenty babies per breeder, that WE pay for, from cradle to grave!!
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Arizona should just do it and get it over with, be free from the shackles of the fed gov and do as it sees fit.


The US Government has turned into a Tyrant terrorist organization that I now consider the #1 enemy of the People.
 Quoting: Nailer45

ROGER THAT BROTHER! I was born here... F THE FED
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HELLL YEAH! Im brown & proud (in the summer).........STFU STUPID

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