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Why do people hate Jesus so much?

 
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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I know, right? *Always* assume people have demons =D

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And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious.
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

Dinosaurs came before god?
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Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
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Looks like another bait thread that was abandoned by its progenitor.

At least the conversation has been kept civil, with debating justifiably sound.


Psychological experiments aplenty. Carry on.
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma


Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried.
 Quoting: Okie Momma


He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along.
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The hidden info course covers what is being done to our bodies, water, food, aliens, etc and how this might relate spiritually. I use other websites but this one is the least conspiracy like so it might be less overwhelming.
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And don't forget that religions and churches are completely infiltrated so the path I suggest for knowledge is not through a 'belief' system. I am personally a believer in Jesus and a believer in the idea that God can appear in human form whenever he wants (being God and all). Therefore, some other times God has appeared...in Indian Gurus etc. I was raised Catholic and I will never go back to it. Or to any Christian church I know of (and I've tried a few.) The best thing is to build your own pipeline to God. First remove the blocks put on to you and then you will have your communication without me or anyone else feeding it to you. It's all yours.
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At least the conversation has been kept civil, with debating justifiably sound.



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and that's a great thing!
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The best thing is to build your own pipeline to God. First remove the blocks put on to you and then you will have your communication without me or anyone else feeding it to you. It's all yours.
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Excellent, Op. :jen4:
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Looks like another bait thread that was abandoned by its progenitor.
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Nah, she'll let it go a day or two, and then come back and comment on the accumulated responses :)
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At least the conversation has been kept civil, with debating justifiably sound.



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and that's a great thing!
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Absolutely. Let the misconceptions burn away.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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I know, right? *Always* assume people have demons =D

sigh
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Well, what is the alternative?

People would be responsible for their own actions.

In christianity, people cannot be responsible for their own actions.

You can't save yourself, and you can't make your own decision to refuse christianity.
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You are just relating bad things as evil things..
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No there is a difference.

If I trip and break my ankle-bad

If I steal a new car, just cause-evil
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And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious.
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

Dinosaurs came before god?
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Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

The dinosaurs may or may not be created by God Okie. I don't know with total certainty so I won't say I do. However their may be a link between certain reptiles and what we call aliens and demons (and sometimes these might overlap). What the bible leaves out may be very important to understand things on a cosmic level. I'm not an expert in the bible though I do love reading it. My area is philosophy in general. I would learn all you can about aliens, abductions, the contamination of food and water by the powers that be, the relationship of human powers that be with demons, aliens and so on. It's a drama unfolding right now. A huge spiritual war. What is happening on earth is just a tiny view of the entire picture.
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And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious.
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma


Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried.
 Quoting: Okie Momma


He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397


Once again...bullshit. Just pulling shit out of your ass. My free will has been calling out to "God" for some time now! No block asshole! And....still not here!
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So there was no evil when Sandi T was getting raped-just an experience?
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Please read the post from SickScent. He says it much better than me. hf
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I have asked him to explain but its unlikely I will understand him.

SS is way over me sometimes...but he is OK

cheers
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LOL, I'm at work, at that is going to take a bit to get through...maybe tonight.
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma


Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried.
 Quoting: Okie Momma


He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397


Once again...bullshit. Just pulling shit out of your ass. My free will has been calling out to "God" for some time now! No block asshole! And....still not here!
 Quoting: Okie Momma

Do you know yourself that absolutely that you are 100% certain there are no blocks? Anyway, I have given you all I can...I have to go back to cleaning the house before it gets dark. It's my only day off to do it....take care and I hope you can answer your own questions soon. Best wishes Okie!
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I know, right? *Always* assume people have demons =D

sigh
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Well, what is the alternative?

People would be responsible for their own actions.

In christianity, people cannot be responsible for their own actions.

You can't save yourself, and you can't make your own decision to refuse christianity.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Exactly. . .ANybody who's "good", is good cuz they chose it, but if we're "bad", it's because of demons - which we chose to have, so it's our own fault.

No slack, no mercy, no logic, and it reduces God to a static bystander.

Who needs any of this shit?
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

Dinosaurs came before god?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 478522


Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

The dinosaurs may or may not be created by God Okie. I don't know with total certainty so I won't say I do. However their may be a link between certain reptiles and what we call aliens and demons (and sometimes these might overlap). What the bible leaves out may be very important to understand things on a cosmic level. I'm not an expert in the bible though I do love reading it. My area is philosophy in general. I would learn all you can about aliens, abductions, the contamination of food and water by the powers that be, the relationship of human powers that be with demons, aliens and so on. It's a drama unfolding right now. A huge spiritual war. What is happening on earth is just a tiny view of the entire picture.
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Thank you. I agree. This is the path I am on now.
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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It's not the "Jesus", it's the people whom operate in the shadow. The so called Christians...
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Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried.
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He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397


Once again...bullshit. Just pulling shit out of your ass. My free will has been calling out to "God" for some time now! No block asshole! And....still not here!
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Do you know yourself that absolutely that you are 100% certain there are no blocks? Anyway, I have given you all I can...I have to go back to cleaning the house before it gets dark. It's my only day off to do it....take care and I hope you can answer your own questions soon. Best wishes Okie!
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Yea. Pretty dang sure. Besides....How am I supposed to remove blocks I don't know exist? That's kind a silly ass concept in itself. Hm. frustrating, huh?
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Dinosaurs came before god?
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Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

The dinosaurs may or may not be created by God Okie. I don't know with total certainty so I won't say I do. However their may be a link between certain reptiles and what we call aliens and demons (and sometimes these might overlap). What the bible leaves out may be very important to understand things on a cosmic level. I'm not an expert in the bible though I do love reading it. My area is philosophy in general. I would learn all you can about aliens, abductions, the contamination of food and water by the powers that be, the relationship of human powers that be with demons, aliens and so on. It's a drama unfolding right now. A huge spiritual war. What is happening on earth is just a tiny view of the entire picture.
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Thank you. I agree. This is the path I am on now.
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You're welcome and take care. Evil can not destroy the spirit and its freedom to find the truth.....I can see you are strong and perceptive. You'll accomplish your goal.
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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Greetings OP,

There is no need to find it odd if one accepts what is written. Your question is answered in John 15.

Regards

JimmyK
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Bless you for that.
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Once again...bullshit. Just pulling shit out of your ass. My free will has been calling out to "God" for some time now! No block asshole! And....still not here!
 Quoting: Okie Momma


I think the biggest problem here is the teaching about HOW God is supposed to communicate with us. Like the idea of being 'saved' being also wrong, as well.

I've had experiences with God that were very direct and literal. So I KNOW that God is real. The problem is that these experiences became distorted when I was raised a christian. I began to have new expectations of God created by the lies of the bible.

I'm curious if you've ever looked into something called 'synchromysticism'?

This blog put me onto the idea, and I've been studying it ever since. It has begun to really make the most sense to me of everything spiritual I've encountered: [link to rundonotwalk.blogspot.com]

I really sense that you might be trapped into the "christianity or nothing" mindset. The bible lies about God and our relationship to God.

Please don't close down towards God because you've been lied to about it.

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Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

The dinosaurs may or may not be created by God Okie. I don't know with total certainty so I won't say I do. However their may be a link between certain reptiles and what we call aliens and demons (and sometimes these might overlap). What the bible leaves out may be very important to understand things on a cosmic level. I'm not an expert in the bible though I do love reading it. My area is philosophy in general. I would learn all you can about aliens, abductions, the contamination of food and water by the powers that be, the relationship of human powers that be with demons, aliens and so on. It's a drama unfolding right now. A huge spiritual war. What is happening on earth is just a tiny view of the entire picture.
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Thank you. I agree. This is the path I am on now.
 Quoting: Okie Momma

You're welcome and take care. Evil can not destroy the spirit and its freedom to find the truth.....I can see you are strong and perceptive. You'll accomplish your goal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397


hf
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You are just relating bad things as evil things..
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No there is a difference.

If I trip and break my ankle-bad

If I steal a new car, just cause-evil
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You selectively pulled this quote out of context. There is a difference as I explained above...it has to do with violating Free Will.
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Once again...bullshit. Just pulling shit out of your ass. My free will has been calling out to "God" for some time now! No block asshole! And....still not here!
 Quoting: Okie Momma


I think the biggest problem here is the teaching about HOW God is supposed to communicate with us. Like the idea of being 'saved' being also wrong, as well.

I've had experiences with God that were very direct and literal. So I KNOW that God is real. The problem is that these experiences became distorted when I was raised a christian. I began to have new expectations of God created by the lies of the bible.

I'm curious if you've ever looked into something called 'synchromysticism'?

This blog put me onto the idea, and I've been studying it ever since. It has begun to really make the most sense to me of everything spiritual I've encountered: [link to rundonotwalk.blogspot.com]

I really sense that you might be trapped into the "christianity or nothing" mindset. The bible lies about God and our relationship to God.

Please don't close down towards God because you've been lied to about it.
huggle
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Good Sandi. My love and relationship with the Creator is mine. I leave all the rest. hf
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
When someone can answer this question for me...then maybe I will consider there actually being a "god" somewhere out there. So far he has been nowhere in sight for me. I haven't ever heard him talk to me, not even when I was at my lowest point in life. Where the hell is HE? And what is this falling out and speaking in tongues crap? I think it's all a big show. Anyway, here is my question.....

In Genesis... God created the day, night, the earth, people, animals...everything. Right? When a huge flood comes because man screwed up (which is another issue I have a problem with, since forgiveness is what he is supposedly all about) Noah saves each animal species by loading them up on his famous arc. The Bible even names these species of animals. Look it up. Now with this in mind, where the hell did the dinosaurs come from? I don't recall them being mentioned, and I truly don't think 2 T-rexes are going to fit on any manmade boat. I don't care who made it!

Anyone?....anyone? Any answers? Can't wait to see this. I have asked MANY holy men about this over the last 30 years, and have stumped EVERY one of them. I asked this question first when I was 14 years old. Was even asked nicely to leave one church. Hm. Now how "christian" is that?
 Quoting: Okie Momma


Here's the problem. You consider God a man, male -- you engender a creative energy. If you really want a spiritual life, and I'm not saying "Christian", think of God as within. Give yourself the power to heal, fix things, render answers about life and the shit (frankly) that happens. That power is within each of us, part of our energy, existence, choices. Tap into it.
 Quoting: True GRiT



Ok. I'll bite...and just how do you "tap into" this power within? You still haven't told me anything new.
 Quoting: Okie Momma


I'm not trying to tell you anything new. And it's not one thing you do "turnkey".

For me, it's been an evolution filled with books, life experience, shitty times like you've endured -- like we've all endured-- when I felt like no one was there for me when I needed it most, be it friends, family, or a supreme deity that we're apparently supposed to call on in prayer. I've listened to and bounced around in my head all kinds of theories, from religious dogma or free-stylin' new agey crap, Buddhism and so on until I've come to a conclusion that seems right for me.

So I guess if I were to give you the key to the tap, it's don't shut yourself off. Listen. To others, to your inner voice. Look past the being pissed off part. Dig deeper than that. Dive in. I think we all have that "aha" nugget if we keep digging because pure truth is beyond our experiences, beyond our flesh. It is within. Or maybe it is before.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Because every time someone says, "Oh Jesus, save me!" they get the old "fuck you!" in the form of the silent treatment.

Broken promises suck when humans do it, but when an all powerful, all seeing, all knowing god does it... well. Then it's the unforgivable sin.

There's no excuse for jesus not answer prayers unless he's incompetent, capricious, lazy...

Or doesn't exist!

What a concept.
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Bingo.
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Jesus was a "Copy Cat"

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Because his words convict (convince) them of their sins and they don't like it. They refuse to come into the light and prefer to stay in the dark instead, allowing the devil to blind them into believing that Jesus really doesn't want what's good for them or for others. So they miss out on everything that Jesus is really about. It's really that simple.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
The Bible is not the "word of God".

The fact is, God did not pen the Bible. God did not dictate the words in the Bible to man in word for word fashion.
The fact is, the Bible is the work of humans who TELL US these are the words of God.
And in the meantime, certain Popes have removed certain books from the tome (the Gnostic Bible?), etc.

When I hear some bozo going on and on about the Bible being "God's word", I just cringe.

How do you people not see these facts?

How do you people not realize it invalidates the whole thing?

Anything man touches, he RUINS.

That goes for every religion, not just Christianity.
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Ok. I'll bite...and just how do you "tap into" this power within? You still haven't told me anything new.
 Quoting: Okie Momma


I'm not trying to tell you anything new. And it's not one thing you do "turnkey".

For me, it's been an evolution filled with books, life experience, shitty times like you've endured -- like we've all endured-- when I felt like no one was there for me when I needed it most, be it friends, family, or a supreme deity that we're apparently supposed to call on in prayer. I've listened to and bounced around in my head all kinds of theories, from religious dogma or free-stylin' new agey crap, Buddhism and so on until I've come to a conclusion that seems right for me.

So I guess if I were to give you the key to the tap, it's don't shut yourself off. Listen. To others, to your inner voice. Look past the being pissed off part. Dig deeper than that. Dive in. I think we all have that "aha" nugget if we keep digging because pure truth is beyond our experiences, beyond our flesh. It is within. Or maybe it is before.
 Quoting: True GRiT

Truth.

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