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Why do people hate Jesus so much?

 
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397


Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
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Dinosaurs came before god?
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Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
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how do you know what dinosaurs look like?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Looks like another bait thread that was abandoned by its progenitor.

At least the conversation has been kept civil, with debating justifiably sound.


Psychological experiments aplenty. Carry on.
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Honestly didn't mean to abandon it. Just having my birthday dinner. :-)
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Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried.
 Quoting: Okie Momma


He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397


The hidden info course covers what is being done to our bodies, water, food, aliens, etc and how this might relate spiritually. I use other websites but this one is the least conspiracy like so it might be less overwhelming.
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And don't forget that religions and churches are completely infiltrated so the path I suggest for knowledge is not through a 'belief' system. I am personally a believer in Jesus and a believer in the idea that God can appear in human form whenever he wants (being God and all). Therefore, some other times God has appeared...in Indian Gurus etc. I was raised Catholic and I will never go back to it. Or to any Christian church I know of (and I've tried a few.) The best thing is to build your own pipeline to God. First remove the blocks put on to you and then you will have your communication without me or anyone else feeding it to you. It's all yours.
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I'm learning Hebrew and Greek for this reason, and spend as much time as possible in "nature". :-)
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At least the conversation has been kept civil, with debating justifiably sound.



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and that's a great thing!
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It is! I very much appreciate it. :-)
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Looks like another bait thread that was abandoned by its progenitor.
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Nah, she'll let it go a day or two, and then come back and comment on the accumulated responses :)
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chuckle

Totally nailed my MO. :-) At least I wasn't gone a day!
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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They're evil, they don't like to be reminded they are evil.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
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Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

Dinosaurs came before god?
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Really? I thought God created Earth, moon, stars, nature, animals, man...... So when did he create the dinosaurs?
 Quoting: Okie Momma

The dinosaurs may or may not be created by God Okie. I don't know with total certainty so I won't say I do. However their may be a link between certain reptiles and what we call aliens and demons (and sometimes these might overlap). What the bible leaves out may be very important to understand things on a cosmic level. I'm not an expert in the bible though I do love reading it. My area is philosophy in general. I would learn all you can about aliens, abductions, the contamination of food and water by the powers that be, the relationship of human powers that be with demons, aliens and so on. It's a drama unfolding right now. A huge spiritual war. What is happening on earth is just a tiny view of the entire picture.
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I've heard theories that some creatures, possibly including dinosaurs, were actually the result of experiments by aliens/fallen angels. Have you ever heard of this?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
I know, right? *Always* assume people have demons =D

sigh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228748


Well, what is the alternative?

People would be responsible for their own actions.

In christianity, people cannot be responsible for their own actions.

You can't save yourself, and you can't make your own decision to refuse christianity.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Exactly. . .ANybody who's "good", is good cuz they chose it, but if we're "bad", it's because of demons - which we chose to have, so it's our own fault.

No slack, no mercy, no logic, and it reduces God to a static bystander.

Who needs any of this shit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228748


The reason I can potentially accept the existence of "demons" is that they hypothetically would not respect the free will of humans.... and would try to influence us. It's just a metaphysical layer of the whole "I hear radio transmissions in my dental fillings" thing... not much farther out there than any other GLP theory you know?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Jesus was a "Copy Cat"

Horace was 3,000 Years BEFORE Jesus, ...... "Jesus H. KRST"

COMPARISON OF THE LIVES OF HORUS AND JESUS:
[link to paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com]
 Quoting: El Samyaza


That's a load of doodie LOL

For one thing his name was actually Yeshua, not Jesus.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
The Bible is not the "word of God".

The fact is, God did not pen the Bible. God did not dictate the words in the Bible to man in word for word fashion.
The fact is, the Bible is the work of humans who TELL US these are the words of God.
And in the meantime, certain Popes have removed certain books from the tome (the Gnostic Bible?), etc.

When I hear some bozo going on and on about the Bible being "God's word", I just cringe.

How do you people not see these facts?

How do you people not realize it invalidates the whole thing?

Anything man touches, he RUINS.

That goes for every religion, not just Christianity.
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Part of the reason I believe in a Creator is that everything man has not touched is amazing and beautiful - we can't get anywhere near what the Creator has made.
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I think for a follower of Jesus to have to resort to thinking that anyone who does not accept him hates him, is living in an extreme world of us and them....kinda scary
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If you're assuming that's what I'm doing, you're incorrect.

I'm speaking specifically of people who go out of their way to disrespect him, mock him, etc. The hate that requires going out of your way.

Not just whether someone believes in him or not.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
I don't hate Jesus. I don't hate those who follow him. But I do resent those who claim to follow him but don't have the spiritual gift of wisdom to forsee the result of them trying to spread the gospel through the internet. Particularly those who's only weapon against evil is threat of hell.
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Yeah just yelling about hell sucks.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Because his words convict (convince) them of their sins and they don't like it. They refuse to come into the light and prefer to stay in the dark instead, allowing the devil to blind them into believing that Jesus really doesn't want what's good for them or for others. So they miss out on everything that Jesus is really about. It's really that simple.
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I've definitely been guilty of not even considering Jesus to be Truth just because I didn't want to deal with the consequences.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
You are just relating bad things as evil things..
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No there is a difference.

If I trip and break my ankle-bad

If I steal a new car, just cause-evil
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You selectively pulled this quote out of context. There is a difference as I explained above...it has to do with violating Free Will.
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Free Will is an amazing thing, isn't it SS?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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It's not the "Jesus", it's the people whom operate in the shadow. The so called Christians...
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There are definitely people who hate Christians too... but I am asking more about direct Jesus hating :-)
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
How can one hate that which does not exist?
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Absolutely. I completely second that.
This is by far the only valid point in this whole thread.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Dom


But again, there IS hate towards Jesus specifically... so if you say that hatred only exists towards that which exists, and there is Jesus hatred, then Jesus exists.
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P.S. I'm not promoting a new religion lol, just wanting to show you that you are the one making the decisions and enjoy what you can while you can. Forgive people, love people, do exciting things as long as you dont hurt another.

Just think if there was a final judgment and god asked a christian what you did to help someone and they said they tithed, helped the community and loved their family. Yet an atheist turns and says I cured cancer through science....reminds me of one of the uncorrupt parts of the bible :

"Two men went up into the temple to pray;
one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this:

‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,

‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805165


Jesus said that some who call him Lord, were lawless and will be sent away from him. Pride is a dangerous thing no matter what you believe.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
How can you hate Love? because to hate Jesus that is exactly what you are doing
 Quoting: wildhoney

and even while you hate him he is showering down his love on you as if you were the most precious thing in the whole of creation
how marvelous is that?
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Very much so hf
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
no need to reply to my post

i did not expect it..


life is life


we all evolve in our own time..


if people hate the spirit of the Lord, Jesus or anything then


one must examine the hate in their heart..
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Logical people will reject the bible. God made us logical so we can we can learn and made us imaginative so we can disern between being together and being apart.

Science, belief and searching for something more is something that binds us, along with faith in what we believe whatever it is.

I believe in God fully and I rejected church from an early age (9 I think) due to a limiting thought and putting God in a box and only the elect will see him. I found that pharisitical.

Jesus is great at pointing out peoples errors yet many christians follow exactly what he said not to do. They also twist what he said to match how they wish to judge that day. Just look at the golden rule and that will sort everyone out, and atheists do this already. My friend is atheist and he would never harm another as he would never wish that upon himself.

I try to follow the fundamentals of Jesus and the God he promoted, not the old testament 'God'.

I believe we need to have a personal relationship with a higher being and how you interpret that is beautiful regardless of religion. Religion is fundamentally flawed so therefore the bible is, though many titbits can be taken out of it.

Love one another and don't judge....bible or not...don't be happy in anothers detriment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805165


Not everyone who believes in Jesus and the Bible believes that there is an elect people. :-) And there is a lot of false teaching.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
the bible you so vehemently defend and hold as Gods word, was written by a tyrannical King, James was his name and he sought to manipulate and control his subjects with not only brutality, but mental torture as well.

The truly weak minded ignorantly cling to this ancient mans attempt to hold power as some kind of crazy ass belief that god ever existed.

Seriously, muster your two best brain cells and wake the fuck up
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The bible was not written by James. He commissioned the translation of one version of it. Please don't insult me or other people about this. I encourage you to look into the origins of Biblical manuscripts if you'd like to talk about this further.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
 Quoting: Riker



there are many honest answers to this question.

one is that many people hate themselves and do not like anything which teaches themselves to be moral, honest and kind.

that is one of the truths which will bring out the insanity of many here
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hmmm.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
 Quoting: Riker


Greetings OP,

There is no need to find it odd if one accepts what is written. Your question is answered in John 15.

Regards

JimmyK
 Quoting: JimmyK


Thank you Jimmy :-)
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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I agree

goodevil
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252497


this is one of true answers. Everyone has at least an association with demons due to the frailty of the minds of men. ..but those that hate Jesus are those that have decided to bed down with the demons...

they are easy to recognize. They are vicious, they deny responsibility, they are flagrantly immoral.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255156


These are simply fanatical, delusional inaccuracies that exist in your feverish mind only...

you think that only those who believe as you are moral??

Your simply wrong and speaking like this shows how uneducated you actually are.

This is the kind of stuff that makes wars against others,

You need to grow up a little with your religious belief if you expect anyone to take you seriously, instead of putting up this false facade of superiority with all this demon talk about being inside people around you who don't think like you, how childish.

If you spoke like this to most {believing} Bible scholars they would simply laugh at you and suggest you seek treatment...
 Quoting: Z-djinn


Don't you think that what is good and what is evil is pretty consistent throughout many different and far separate cultures, though? What makes good and evil, in general, so commonly defined if there is no common origin?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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I dont think it is jesus that people hate, though I question how much of the story of jesus as it is portrayed in the bible is actually true.

It is the dickhead fundamentalist christians that claim they know exactly what the bible meant, & are far from christian in the way they think & behave.

They are the type who are always jumping up & down with joy everytime their is a war or natural disaster (that dosn't affect them of course) cause they think it is signalling the 'end times'.

They are perverted small minded people who need to get a life, & let everybody else live theirs without trying to push their sick perverted ideas on everybody.
 Quoting: sohot


May I ask you a question?

Are you a Christian?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Serious question. I find it curious.
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Its not about hate, its about being spiritually hijacked, and indoctrinated by the state with its many false religions and doctrines!!

It's about being punished for the actions of others (your Adam and Eve), for which a true loving divine entity would have no part of!!

It's about being tricked into worshiping false gods, which the OT god certainly is!!

Many have different valid reasons, all of which is nothing about hate!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Jesus was a rebel, who threw off the demands of the state and religious authorities and was killed for it.

If corrupt people wanted to bury him literally and figuratively, how would that make him responsible for their actions?

Is it punishment for Adam and Eve's sin or our own? Is it punishment or is it a natural consequence of breaking the Laws of Creation?

If there are false gods, who is the True God, and how do you know?
 Quoting: Riker


Those were some good stories.... I love a good story, ever hear the ones from Greek mythology? Those were pretty good too. You should keep reading, there's a ton of them out there... None of them make much since to me though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 970914


Actually, there is a chance that they weren't so much myths after all. What if there was some truth to them?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
I hate Jesus because he was a Communist.
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How so?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
not so much Jesus, but his followers are quite annoying!
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Some of them are lol some of them are the nicest, kindest, most generous and loving people I've ever met.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
organized religion is flawed because it is human derived

i do not trust it though understand the ritual

as far as Jesus and the wonders of the Lord i look around at nature and the beauty of the sunset and am awed by what is here..

i also look at all the strife and hate in the world and wonder? most wars are in the name of religion.

i don't know any answers..



and when i see magic i don't wanna know the tricks (worked in a theater with a magic act) i would rather be awed without deciphering everything

some will bash that as naiveté..the truth is we will as living beings never know all the answers

perhaps when our time comes and in death see the secrets of all things believed or not..

peace!
 Quoting: junipero


hf

Thank you for your post! I don't think our Creator necessarily wants us to be in an "organized religion"; he wants us to know him individually.
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jesus is a butt pirate
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See, now why would you say that?
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