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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1175397 United States 02/03/2011 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I expand on this? Quoting: SickScentThanks! There is good and evil in the human condition...we build them through concepts and put a reality to them...we inject the idea of that concept into the way we percieve reality around us and react to the concept as if it is real. Though, from a 'universal reality' frame of perception, there is no good or evil. But that can be a very difficult process because so much of the human condition has been mired in the good/evil concepts...HUMAN concepts. From a completely secular (universal) outlook this is a good argument. But it still is an argument that is subject to the laws of the universe. Either way, the only question I have is how did humans create a concept of good and evil to begin with? the concept of good and evil is, philosophically speaking, a form of determination. Determination is a distinguishing of anything from anything else. the minute you start to distinguish though, philosophy gets a bit trapped since it means that you are already limiting what each term might mean in reality. How we say them and how they are in themselves is a huge problem in philosophy. I'm a philosophy academic so that's why I've answered in this way. In ancient philosophy, God IS the GOOD and the GOOD is above everything else completely. We have to be careful when we 'define' things since there is a limit that exists to our capacity, as finite beings, to do this. |
anon User ID: 1206333 Mexico 02/03/2011 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because it's a lie. Quoting: anon 1206333a nice story but so is many an other fiction, . . besides, . .yhwh is a monster that needs to be called out. jesus is just the hallmarky glossy paste-over to make his daddy look good. its all there in the pentatuch if you read the thing with open eyes and mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 02/03/2011 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: SickScent Can I expand on this? Thanks! There is good and evil in the human condition...we build them through concepts and put a reality to them...we inject the idea of that concept into the way we percieve reality around us and react to the concept as if it is real. Though, from a 'universal reality' frame of perception, there is no good or evil. But that can be a very difficult process because so much of the human condition has been mired in the good/evil concepts...HUMAN concepts. Thank you, SS. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647204 United States 02/03/2011 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because it's a lie. Quoting: anon 1206333a nice story but so is many an other fiction, . . besides, . .yhwh is a monster that needs to be called out. jesus is just the hallmarky glossy paste-over to make his daddy look good. its all there in the pentatuch if you read the thing with open eyes and mind. I did that. i found it to be a poorly constructed, contradictory piece of crap. and they've been re-writing it ever since to fix all the fuckups. Good going god |
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Okie Momma User ID: 1226139 United States 02/03/2011 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1237485 United States 02/03/2011 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the clowns who don't believe....man what a pathetic life it must be to look into the mirror and see nothingness. To deny god is to deny yourself and your own existence. Yah, everything got here by complete randomness.... HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH Sucks to be you. You should get out and enjoy nature more instead of being boxed in your lil bubble of nothingness. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1081433 United States 02/03/2011 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So there was no evil when Sandi T was getting raped-just an experience? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1081433Please read the post from SickScent. He says it much better than me. I have asked him to explain but its unlikely I will understand him. SS is way over me sometimes...but he is OK |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1254882 United States 02/03/2011 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ill bet you were a fun kid to have around. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1081433I was fine. I just had no interest in that biblical crap and yet I was forced to go and submit to the brainwashing that "Jesus loves you" every Sunday for a couple of years at the impressionable age. You'd hate him too if that was your experience with church. It was more like torture to me. I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF IT. To this day I cringe when I have to set foot in a church for a wedding or something. Sundays are for GOLF. And NFL Football. I'm sure if he were real Jesus would hates me too for being the selfish, self-centered prick I am... but whatever. Send me to hell then. LOL |
anon User ID: 1206333 Mexico 02/03/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I expand on this? Quoting: SickScentThanks! There is good and evil in the human condition...we build them through concepts and put a reality to them...we inject the idea of that concept into the way we percieve reality around us and react to the concept as if it is real. Though, from a 'universal reality' frame of perception, there is no good or evil. But that can be a very difficult process because so much of the human condition has been mired in the good/evil concepts...HUMAN concepts. From a completely secular (universal) outlook this is a good argument. But it still is an argument that is subject to the laws of the universe. Either way, the only question I have is how did humans create a concept of good and evil to begin with? the concept of good and evil is, philosophically speaking, a form of determination. Determination is a distinguishing of anything from anything else. the minute you start to distinguish though, philosophy gets a bit trapped since it means that you are already limiting what each term might mean in reality. How we say them and how they are in themselves is a huge problem in philosophy. I'm a philosophy academic so that's why I've answered in this way. In ancient philosophy, God IS the GOOD and the GOOD is above everything else completely. We have to be careful when we 'define' things since there is a limit that exists to our capacity, as finite beings, to do this. "Might is Right the survivor, the winner, . .gets to be the good guy. how it's always been. nazis would have been the good guys had they won, and god would have obviously loved them... it's a pretty lame vision of god. jesus is just one more version. everything said and done by him was stolen from ancient goddess worshipping cultures predating the bronze age patriarchs, who won the war of whose god has a bigger penis. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1175397 United States 02/03/2011 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When someone can answer this question for me...then maybe I will consider there actually being a "god" somewhere out there. So far he has been nowhere in sight for me. I haven't ever heard him talk to me, not even when I was at my lowest point in life. Where the hell is HE? And what is this falling out and speaking in tongues crap? I think it's all a big show. Anyway, here is my question..... Quoting: Okie MommaIn Genesis... God created the day, night, the earth, people, animals...everything. Right? When a huge flood comes because man screwed up (which is another issue I have a problem with, since forgiveness is what he is supposedly all about) Noah saves each animal species by loading them up on his famous arc. The Bible even names these species of animals. Look it up. Now with this in mind, where the hell did the dinosaurs come from? I don't recall them being mentioned, and I truly don't think 2 T-rexes are going to fit on any manmade boat. I don't care who made it! Anyone?....anyone? Any answers? Can't wait to see this. I have asked MANY holy men about this over the last 30 years, and have stumped EVERY one of them. I asked this question first when I was 14 years old. Was even asked nicely to leave one church. Hm. Now how "christian" is that? Faith and Proof are mutually exclusive. To prove something to someone is to remove God from the equation since the answer must come from a material resource, one that is finite. First you must decide, even if it's only as an experiment (and you must admit that doing this could not harm you) to simply decide to spend time believing. Give it a day, a week, or however much time you are willing to grant the experiment. Really decide that during that time you will be open on every level to believing. Approach reality that way. After the time elapses, then return here and reevaluate your question on your own. Only you can do this. No one else can prove God to you or answer that question. What? What kind of crap are you feeding me? What does that mean? Im supposed to go meditate on it and wait for some kind of answer "in my heart". Trust me I have been praying, talking, meditating, screaming for some kind of answers for a very long time. Answer the question!!! I would answer the question but it might mean talking about aliens among us. Although related, that is another thread entirely. To follow the right rabbit why not go to wanttoknow.info and do the free courses there. (I recently did some, mostly to read a few specific articles and it was good.) |
Fabian User ID: 886028 Netherlands 02/03/2011 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I disliked church when i was 10,how strange... Quoting: FabianI went to a pentecostal church. what a bunch of looney tunes they are They always wanted to touch my white hair... :Fabnn: There are those among us who are blessed with the power to save what is loved by another, But powerless to use this blessing for love themselves.. |
Okie Momma User ID: 1226139 United States 02/03/2011 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here? Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried. |
ZTE User ID: 1075971 United States 02/03/2011 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the concept of good and evil is, philosophically speaking, a form of determination. Determination is a distinguishing of anything from anything else. the minute you start to distinguish though, philosophy gets a bit trapped since it means that you are already limiting what each term might mean in reality. How we say them and how they are in themselves is a huge problem in philosophy. I'm a philosophy academic so that's why I've answered in this way. In ancient philosophy, God IS the GOOD and the GOOD is above everything else completely. We have to be careful when we 'define' things since there is a limit that exists to our capacity, as finite beings, to do this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Oh I understand the limitations of the question, I'm just asking where this concept of good and evil originated from? In other words, what makes us different than the animals? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478522 United States 02/03/2011 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here? Dinosaurs came before god? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 737632 Singapore 02/03/2011 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When someone can answer this question for me...then maybe I will consider there actually being a "god" somewhere out there. So far he has been nowhere in sight for me. I haven't ever heard him talk to me, not even when I was at my lowest point in life. Where the hell is HE? And what is this falling out and speaking in tongues crap? I think it's all a big show. Anyway, here is my question..... Quoting: Okie MommaIn Genesis... God created the day, night, the earth, people, animals...everything. Right? When a huge flood comes because man screwed up (which is another issue I have a problem with, since forgiveness is what he is supposedly all about) Noah saves each animal species by loading them up on his famous arc. The Bible even names these species of animals. Look it up. Now with this in mind, where the hell did the dinosaurs come from? I don't recall them being mentioned, and I truly don't think 2 T-rexes are going to fit on any manmade boat. I don't care who made it! Anyone?....anyone? Any answers? Can't wait to see this. I have asked MANY holy men about this over the last 30 years, and have stumped EVERY one of them. I asked this question first when I was 14 years old. Was even asked nicely to leave one church. Hm. Now how "christian" is that? Here's the problem. You consider God a man, male -- you engender a creative energy. If you really want a spiritual life, and I'm not saying "Christian", think of God as within. Give yourself the power to heal, fix things, render answers about life and the shit (frankly) that happens. That power is within each of us, part of our energy, existence, choices. Tap into it. |
Dasarius User ID: 1215725 United States 02/03/2011 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because he takes away attention/worship/praise from God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016Jesus IS God, along with the Holy Spirit. He said, "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Thanks to Jesus we can have life eternal. :) A testimony of God's Love (bottom of page): Thread: Brothers & Sisters in Christ - Prepare For Spiritual Battle (Page 8) Everyone who calls upon the Lord Jesus will be saved! [Romans 10:13] |
Apotheosis Rex Khristos User ID: 908143 United States 02/03/2011 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I disliked church when i was 10,how strange... Quoting: FabianI went to a pentecostal church. what a bunch of looney tunes they are They always wanted to touch my white hair... Rub you for good luck? "And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life." |
Okie Momma User ID: 1226139 United States 02/03/2011 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When someone can answer this question for me...then maybe I will consider there actually being a "god" somewhere out there. So far he has been nowhere in sight for me. I haven't ever heard him talk to me, not even when I was at my lowest point in life. Where the hell is HE? And what is this falling out and speaking in tongues crap? I think it's all a big show. Anyway, here is my question..... Quoting: Okie MommaIn Genesis... God created the day, night, the earth, people, animals...everything. Right? When a huge flood comes because man screwed up (which is another issue I have a problem with, since forgiveness is what he is supposedly all about) Noah saves each animal species by loading them up on his famous arc. The Bible even names these species of animals. Look it up. Now with this in mind, where the hell did the dinosaurs come from? I don't recall them being mentioned, and I truly don't think 2 T-rexes are going to fit on any manmade boat. I don't care who made it! Anyone?....anyone? Any answers? Can't wait to see this. I have asked MANY holy men about this over the last 30 years, and have stumped EVERY one of them. I asked this question first when I was 14 years old. Was even asked nicely to leave one church. Hm. Now how "christian" is that? Faith and Proof are mutually exclusive. To prove something to someone is to remove God from the equation since the answer must come from a material resource, one that is finite. First you must decide, even if it's only as an experiment (and you must admit that doing this could not harm you) to simply decide to spend time believing. Give it a day, a week, or however much time you are willing to grant the experiment. Really decide that during that time you will be open on every level to believing. Approach reality that way. After the time elapses, then return here and reevaluate your question on your own. Only you can do this. No one else can prove God to you or answer that question. What? What kind of crap are you feeding me? What does that mean? Im supposed to go meditate on it and wait for some kind of answer "in my heart". Trust me I have been praying, talking, meditating, screaming for some kind of answers for a very long time. Answer the question!!! I would answer the question but it might mean talking about aliens among us. Although related, that is another thread entirely. To follow the right rabbit why not go to wanttoknow.info and do the free courses there. (I recently did some, mostly to read a few specific articles and it was good.) Thank you.....now we're talkin! LOL! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1175397 United States 02/03/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here? Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried. He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along. |
Fabian User ID: 886028 Netherlands 02/03/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I disliked church when i was 10,how strange... Quoting: FabianI went to a pentecostal church. what a bunch of looney tunes they are They always wanted to touch my white hair... Rub you for good luck? Sure,let's keep it that way :Fabnn: There are those among us who are blessed with the power to save what is loved by another, But powerless to use this blessing for love themselves.. |
*Jentle* User ID: 1203197 United Kingdom 02/03/2011 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So there was no evil when Sandi T was getting raped-just an experience? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1081433Please read the post from SickScent. He says it much better than me. I have asked him to explain but its unlikely I will understand him. SS is way over me sometimes...but he is OK :Jen 2: He says what I would like to say if I didn't have chuck mince for brains. If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 02/03/2011 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: SickScent Can I expand on this? Thanks! There is good and evil in the human condition...we build them through concepts and put a reality to them...we inject the idea of that concept into the way we percieve reality around us and react to the concept as if it is real. The anger of Sandi T has for getting raped is just a concept from her actual reality and not real at all? You are just relating bad things as evil things...people that break the Law of Free Will and violate other people's free will. People can tag them as evil, or 'bad' experiences. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1175397 United States 02/03/2011 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by the way, I was a big atheist for MANY years so I have done the REVERSE experiment. The experiment applies to anything. I also agree that some religious people are dogmatic and blind and hypocritical and this makes things really worse. In their case I would have to tell them the same I say to atheists. Do an experiment where you stop judging other humans and visualizing them in fire and brimstone since it's soooo tedious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Bullshit! I grew up believing in God with all my heart. I came from a very strong God-fearing family. I preached it ALLL! Got tired of him supposedly talking to everyone else but me. Just admit you can't answer the question. It's all a lie. You just can't face the fact that your world is based on something that may be a farce...like I did. Still waiting for the answer. BTW, never had anything against other humans, and spent my life trying to visualize that peace everyone so longs for. Who's doing the judging here? Have to say though...you ARE the only one who tried. He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along. The hidden info course covers what is being done to our bodies, water, food, aliens, etc and how this might relate spiritually. I use other websites but this one is the least conspiracy like so it might be less overwhelming. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 554016 United States 02/03/2011 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because he takes away attention/worship/praise from God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016Jesus IS God, along with the Holy Spirit. He said, "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Thanks to Jesus we can have life eternal. :) So if i say noone can come to my father but by me, that makes me my father? |
Okie Momma User ID: 1226139 United States 02/03/2011 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When someone can answer this question for me...then maybe I will consider there actually being a "god" somewhere out there. So far he has been nowhere in sight for me. I haven't ever heard him talk to me, not even when I was at my lowest point in life. Where the hell is HE? And what is this falling out and speaking in tongues crap? I think it's all a big show. Anyway, here is my question..... Quoting: Okie MommaIn Genesis... God created the day, night, the earth, people, animals...everything. Right? When a huge flood comes because man screwed up (which is another issue I have a problem with, since forgiveness is what he is supposedly all about) Noah saves each animal species by loading them up on his famous arc. The Bible even names these species of animals. Look it up. Now with this in mind, where the hell did the dinosaurs come from? I don't recall them being mentioned, and I truly don't think 2 T-rexes are going to fit on any manmade boat. I don't care who made it! Anyone?....anyone? Any answers? Can't wait to see this. I have asked MANY holy men about this over the last 30 years, and have stumped EVERY one of them. I asked this question first when I was 14 years old. Was even asked nicely to leave one church. Hm. Now how "christian" is that? Here's the problem. You consider God a man, male -- you engender a creative energy. If you really want a spiritual life, and I'm not saying "Christian", think of God as within. Give yourself the power to heal, fix things, render answers about life and the shit (frankly) that happens. That power is within each of us, part of our energy, existence, choices. Tap into it. Ok. I'll bite...and just how do you "tap into" this power within? You still haven't told me anything new. |
Sandi_T User ID: 873093 United States 02/03/2011 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He has been talking to you but has it occurred to you a) that something tries to BLOCK HIM b) due to your free will you must clear that before you can see that he has been their all along. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175397Yes, it is always your fault. The bible has contradictions? It really doesn't, you just can't figure out how the contradictions aren't really contradictory! See, it's YOU! Jesus didn't answer your prayer? You didn't have enough faith! See, it's YOU! You aren't hearing Jesus? You are blocking him and don't have enough faith! See, it's YOU! Anything that doesn't work about the bible and christianity IS YOUR FAULT! See how easy that is? No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf: Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives |