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I am losing my friends over the TSA "enhanced patdowns" | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1150302  United States02/04/2011 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sucks but ill just stay home, drive or take a bus/train. if i had to fly for some reason id probably choose to be molested over the cell shredders. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1239044 United States02/04/2011 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just go....Why stop your life because you have to be scanned. Quoting: HickoryNow they are trying out this new scanner that doesn't show so much, because of the complaints from people. Go enjoy life.  I wish only scans were occurring at the airport but that is not the case: [link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 348319  Canada02/04/2011 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 838578there is a reason you are losing your friends. They realized how unreasonable you are. Get over yourself. If you dont want to do the pat down, dont fly. You dont have a right to take a plane, so if you dont like it, TOO FUCKING BAD. Perhaps you can go cry me a fucking river now, whiney. You do have a right to say who puts their hands all over your body! Oh yes you do. Nothing will convince me otherwise. It's your hideous gov't that says otherwise. Fool. You do have the right to choose who touches you, barring extraneous circumstances. But you dont have the right to fly. So choose. What are you missing? Eng. 101? It's the Americans that have gone mental over fictional terrorists. Enjoy your Fascism. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1052218 United States02/04/2011 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans that have gone mental over fictional terrorists. Quoting: Canadian Cold FrontEnjoy your Fascism. "When fascism comes to American, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis I'm gonna be a happy idiot And struggle for the legal tender Where the ads take aim and lay their claim To the heart and the soul of the spender And believe in whatever may lie In those things that money can buy where true love could have been a contender Are you there? Say a prayer for the Pretender. Who started out so young and strong Only to surrender. --Jackson Browne, "The Pretender" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 United States02/04/2011 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239044Thank you, friend. I will ponder your advice. Here's where I'm at right now: The terrorist fed wins everytime I give money to the airlines and sacrifice my dignity to the security procedures. I feel that buying a plane ticket is a proxy for saying, "I'm okay with this" when that could not be further from the truth. I realize most people will be good sheep and go along but I don't want to fall into that group. I realize it won't make any difference to the Fed or the airlines but it makes a difference in my soul. Nearly every aspect of the MIC takeover of our once great country is out of my control except this. Flying or not is one thing I can control and one concrete way I can say, "I will not submit to this madness." And then there's the slippery slope issue. If this okay, then what next? Where do we draw the line? I do appreciate your perspective and will carefully consider anything else you write. I'm totally isolated from many of my friends and all of my family and it fucking blows. Thanks. I know what you mean... this war on terrorism feels alot like war against regular people. Also, I hate the feeling that if I stood up to the TSA...I would be made an example, also there is a good chance any regular fliers that witness such thing would more than likely allow TSA to make an example out of you.. It's pretty sad... and like you said, ANY act of terrorism would be a boon, for that organization, defense related industries, and justification for tighter restrictions....it's like a really bad one-way ratchet effect, always tightening. Anyway, it feels like a big false cry to "save us from our ourselves!"... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 United States02/04/2011 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Evidence of George W. Bush's War Crimes are being entered in congressional Record! Patriot Act up for Renewal - Spread the word! |
Hickory  User ID: 974021 United States02/04/2011 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just go....Why stop your life because you have to be scanned. Quoting: HickoryNow they are trying out this new scanner that doesn't show so much, because of the complaints from people. Go enjoy life.  Is that you? You have one life. Live it. You have one voice, use it. You have one :Hickory-1: |
| Hickory User ID: 974021 United States02/04/2011 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just go....Why stop your life because you have to be scanned. Quoting: HickoryNow they are trying out this new scanner that doesn't show so much, because of the complaints from people. Go enjoy life. I wish only scans were occurring at the airport but that is not the case: [link to www.youtube.com] I know I've seen them all. I don't know what to tell you. You have to decide if you're going to stop what you love to do, or not. You have one life. Live it. You have one voice, use it. You have one :Hickory-1: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 713127 United States02/04/2011 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not flying either and my friend refuses to believe it. I went on trips with her in the past and now she wants to go to Florida with me. I told her emphatically I was not going to fly anymore. But she still brings up the trip like it's an option for me. I've gotten in arguments as well. You gotta have boundaries in this life, things that you stand up for. Otherwise you fall into the mindless category. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1255275 United States02/04/2011 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do know what you mean, OP. First, realize if they don't care about 9/11 they wont care about any of it, because they are still convinced Washington is good. They watch the TV and believe Hitler = bad Washington = good Nope, they're all bad. GM, Ford and IBM supported te Nazi effort. Te banks, too. Two sides of the same coin to bring about world government. Once real history is exposed then they understand that 9/11 was one act in a long history of the same conspiracy that began as early as 1776 - ILLUMINATI. History is manipulated and blame shifted all the time. This is the only way Washington keeps support. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1203359 Canada02/04/2011 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1255984 United States02/04/2011 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is some good advice from the Talmud Jmmanuel: Quoting: ricde 12153029. "You shall not give sacred things to the dogs, nor throw your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet and turn on you and tear you apart. 10. "Truly, I say to you: Do not throw your consciousness-related treasure into the dirt and do not waste it on the unworthy, because they will not thank you and will tear you apart, for their understanding is small and their consciousness is weak. That's kinda ironic, considering who it is that's pushing all this silly crap on us. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 769657 United States02/04/2011 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've flown and I didn't have a pat down ever. You're kind of over reacting. That shit was a test, to how much they could get away with ad since the 30,000 law suits they have backed way down. At Burbank, where I will fly out of later this month, they don't even have body scanners. They tested them there and I went through it, but it was like two years ago. They don't have them anymore. Most of the fliers from that airport are commuters. They fly to Vegas or Phoenix and back. Use Burbank if you're going to LA and want to avoid LAX, that's the shittiest airport in the West, IMO. |
| Sandi_T User ID: 873093 United States02/04/2011 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm with you. My husband thinks I'm an evil person for so horribly denying my poor dear child a trip to Disney at age 4. I mean, I don't want her assaulted by strangers and thus she's a DEPRIVED CHILD.  Not wanting her to be groped and terrorized is depriving her and "nutty," but being perfectly fine with her being groped by a stranger is "normal." You're not alone, for what it's worth. Oh, and I would make a point of calling the airlines and the places you might have stayed or visited and TELLING THEM why you aren't. I wrote to Disney to tell them. If we all did this, they'd start putting pressure on the gov. to get this crap out of there. You and I have little power alone, that's true. But if we talk with our wallets... the ones with the power (corporations) WILL start speaking. THAT is when change happens. Last Edited by Sandi_T on 02/04/2011 06:30 PM No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf: Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 502821 United States02/04/2011 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051017 United States02/04/2011 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take the bus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759The TSA Gestapo is at the bus station too. [link to www.tsa.gov] The fukkin turds are everywhere. That's exactly what they remind me of. I almost got shot by one of the freaking retards the other day because I jogged too close to his train station. They're desperate to find "terrorists" to justify their existence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1170814 United States02/04/2011 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take the bus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759I will be taking Amtrak or racking up the miles on my car for domestic travel. Several of my friends are having big party in South Africa this summer - I'm debating whether to fly for that or stay home. Forced to choose between my dignity and having friends and a social life. Fuck you USA. You are free to move out TRAITOR |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1113553 United States02/04/2011 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes you gotta keep your opinions to yourself to keep the peace. If their worth it you'll learn. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255809But why is this even a controversial topic? Anyone grounded in fact knows the Amsterdam-Detroit underwear bomber (the stated reason for the new procedures) bypassed security altogether with the help of government agents yet the masses must submit their child to a hired goon for genital fondling. In what universe is it unacceptable to speak out against this abomination? I'm tired of keeping my mouth shut so as not to upset all the sleepwalkers living in their world of obvious lies. Truth is absolute. Yes, and it's also a lonely path. It takes courage to know what we know and still get up everyday and deal with this life. Be strong. You're not alone. |
| m_astera User ID: 1255915  Venezuela02/04/2011 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It didn't take the new scanners and crotch groping by idiots to get me to quit flying in the US. I quit right after 9/11 and the patriot act. Didn't fly again until 2006 when I took a plane out of the US and haven't been back since. There may be a million people in the US with the courage to stand up for what they believe in, but there are over 300 million who have no personal courage whatsoever. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1183343 United States02/04/2011 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1239044 United States02/05/2011 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm with you. Quoting: Sandi_TMy husband thinks I'm an evil person for so horribly denying my poor dear child a trip to Disney at age 4. I mean, I don't want her assaulted by strangers and thus she's a DEPRIVED CHILD. Not wanting her to be groped and terrorized is depriving her and "nutty," but being perfectly fine with her being groped by a stranger is "normal." You're not alone, for what it's worth. Oh, and I would make a point of calling the airlines and the places you might have stayed or visited and TELLING THEM why you aren't. I wrote to Disney to tell them. If we all did this, they'd start putting pressure on the gov. to get this crap out of there. You and I have little power alone, that's true. But if we talk with our wallets... the ones with the power (corporations) WILL start speaking. THAT is when change happens. Email this thread to him. Hubby: if it happens to your daughter it WILL fuck her head up. Seriously - watch the videos. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1239044 United States02/05/2011 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well then go through the scanner. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1183343I'm a 31 y.o. male - I don't care what they see. I do however have a problem with some burger flipping federal goon sticking his filthy unchanged glove anywhere near any of the ladies and children in my life. If you think I'm going to pay to support this debauchery brother you're wrong. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1025379 United States02/05/2011 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1255603 United States02/05/2011 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes I have to fly because I have to go overseas. I have driven to San Francisco from Atlanta to avoid flying. If I could drive to Europe I would even if it took 2 weks. I won't take Amtrak, crap service, expensive and they will be implementing TSA procedures. Wow, there's a lot going on here ... so I'll address one at a time in a couple posts if you don't mind ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052218My family thinks I'm nuts too for not flying. I have friends all over the world and family several states away. I used to fly once a month now I don't fly at all. I spent Christmas by myself had to pass up a fun NYC trip with my best friend who lives in London. I can understand your outrage and principled stand against flying, but it is kind of like the old saying, "cutting off your nose to spite your face". You love to fly and visit, much more often than most, and IMHO if you continue to stop flying altogether, then the (FED / MIC) terrorists win. Ya know what I mean? Thank you, friend. I will ponder your advice. Here's where I'm at right now: The terrorist fed wins everytime I give money to the airlines and sacrifice my dignity to the security procedures. I feel that buying a plane ticket is a proxy for saying, "I'm okay with this" when that could not be further from the truth. I realize most people will be good sheep and go along but I don't want to fall into that group. I realize it won't make any difference to the Fed or the airlines but it makes a difference in my soul. Nearly every aspect of the MIC takeover of our once great country is out of my control except this. Flying or not is one thing I can control and one concrete way I can say, "I will not submit to this madness." And then there's the slippery slope issue. If this okay, then what next? Where do we draw the line? I do appreciate your perspective and will carefully consider anything else you write. I'm totally isolated from many of my friends and all of my family and it fucking blows. Thanks. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1239044 United States05/26/2011 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1398678 Canada05/26/2011 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have friends all over the world and family several states away. I used to fly once a month now I don't fly at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239044I spent Christmas by myself had to pass up a fun NYC trip with my best friend who lives in London. The most direct example of this conflict came when I casually brought up the new procedures to my friend's new girlfriend who up to this point I was totally cool with. I asked her how she felt about it and we got into a HUGE fight. I couldn't believe it. She got really defensive - told me she was molested as a child - and "how dare" I compare the TSA procedures with actual molestation or rape. I was incredulous. So because her daddy touched her in naughty places its okay for government agents to do the same to little kids? She portrayed me as a hysterical idiot for having a problem with government goons sticking their hands inside men, women, and children's underwear. I don't talk to her anymore and its causing a rift between myself and my friend (her boyfriend). It sounds like a silly thing to walk away from somebody over but it INFURIATES me. I can't see any other point of view other than she is a fascist boot-licker and I can't believe my friend was dating her. My family thinks I'm nuts too for not flying. The U.S. government attacked its' citizens on 911. The "underwear bomber" in Detroit on Christmas morning was escorted around the security gates by government agents. (Search for Kurt Haskell's Christmas morning FOX interview on youtube). Yet the FED is fondling little boys and girls and old women at the airport in the name of security? ENOUGH. Yet none of my friends seem to notice or care. Sometimes I feel like the entire world is insane except for me. Anyone else feel this way? /vent there is a reason you are losing your friends. They realized how unreasonable you are. Get over yourself. If you dont want to do the pat down, dont fly. You dont have a right to take a plane, so if you dont like it, TOO FUCKING BAD. Perhaps you can go cry me a fucking river now, whiney. HEY YOU IDIOTIC GOVERNMENT SHILL, I HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO TRAVEL, SO SHUT YOUR STUPID MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1256413 Canada05/26/2011 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take the bus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759I will be taking Amtrak or racking up the miles on my car for domestic travel. Several of my friends are having big party in South Africa this summer - I'm debating whether to fly for that or stay home. Forced to choose between my dignity and having friends and a social life. Fuck you USA. South Africa? Mexico doesn't have those procedures, Mexico has buses that go to major cities that you can fly out to anywhere. Maybe Canada is still cool? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1324238 United States05/26/2011 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1400009 United States05/26/2011 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have friends all over the world and family several states away. I used to fly once a month now I don't fly at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239044I spent Christmas by myself had to pass up a fun NYC trip with my best friend who lives in London. The most direct example of this conflict came when I casually brought up the new procedures to my friend's new girlfriend who up to this point I was totally cool with. I asked her how she felt about it and we got into a HUGE fight. I couldn't believe it. She got really defensive - told me she was molested as a child - and "how dare" I compare the TSA procedures with actual molestation or rape. I was incredulous. So because her daddy touched her in naughty places its okay for government agents to do the same to little kids? She portrayed me as a hysterical idiot for having a problem with government goons sticking their hands inside men, women, and children's underwear. I don't talk to her anymore and its causing a rift between myself and my friend (her boyfriend). It sounds like a silly thing to walk away from somebody over but it INFURIATES me. I can't see any other point of view other than she is a fascist boot-licker and I can't believe my friend was dating her. My family thinks I'm nuts too for not flying. The U.S. government attacked its' citizens on 911. The "underwear bomber" in Detroit on Christmas morning was escorted around the security gates by government agents. (Search for Kurt Haskell's Christmas morning FOX interview on youtube). Yet the FED is fondling little boys and girls and old women at the airport in the name of security? ENOUGH. Yet none of my friends seem to notice or care. Sometimes I feel like the entire world is insane except for me. Anyone else feel this way? /vent Maybe it is time for new friends. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1402088 United States05/26/2011 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have friends all over the world and family several states away. I used to fly once a month now I don't fly at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239044This is actually the intent. TSA is the groundwork of Agenda 21 to shut down transportation nationwide and herd people into hives living in cities. It's all laid out. First they are going to shut down air travel in stages, first by humiliating passengers with pat downs and body scans which will progressively become more aggressive until people, like you, will avoid flying. Then when enough people stop flying, they will say OK, no one can fly at all without explicit permission, and then you will have to get paperwork, this will be the start of the internal passport system which they are already talking about. The same thing will be done on buses, trains and highways. Eventually people will be stuck and not able to travel anywhere. I believe they hired some top Ruskie from the KGB of Former Soviet Union to consult on all this shit, so they could employ the same system they had over there in the US. |
