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I'm curious as to when we as conscious beings on this planet start counting time and dates. When did we actually decided it was a certain date and a certain time? I tried to Google, but I can't find the answer anywhere. I just get a bunch of definitions of what A.D and B.C stand for, but it's not what I'm looking for. Some humans claim the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, but how can they even make such a claim when we don't even know when the first date and time was recorded.

My theory on time is that it was created so we can organize our lives around a system. I just hate to see when archaeologist claim something is millions of years old, but we don't even know when we started counting the days and years.

People will tell me it was when Jesus Christ was born, but I'm pretty sure there were humans before that, so we basically just don't know this answer.

Isn't it funny how we give ourselves comfort with the bullshit these scientist and archaeologist come up with? Just like we have 4,200+ different religions and various philosophies that try to explain existence, but we clearly don't know.
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Buddhism - Hinduism

The teachings of Tibetan Buddhism and Indian Hinduism-not to mention several other world traditions-support the anomalous archaeological findings in suggesting that humanity has a far longer provenance on our planet than western science allows. This idea is preserved in Hinduism to the present day, especially in the doctrine of the yugas. The term yuga means "age" and refers to the Hindu belief that humanity has lived on our planet during four separate and distinct time periods: the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yoga, the Dvapara Yuga and the Kali Yuga, the first three of which have already been and gone. The names of the ages are rooted in the Sanskrit terms for four of the sides of a die, with the Krita Yoga derived from the side showing the figure 4, Treta Yoga 3, Dvapara Yuga 2, and Kali Yuga 1. This reflects the Hindu conviction that the degree of righteousness in the world diminished in an arithmetical progression as time went on.

Krita Yuga: is seen as a primeval golden age, characterized by piety, peace and plenty. The world had one God, one truth, one scripture and one rule. Fear was unknown, as was hatred, deceit or malice. This age lasted 1,728,000 years.

Treta Yuga: which was only three-quarters as righteous as the age before. Unity of religion still held sway, but now humanity no longer followed spiritual pursuits for their own sakes, but rather in the hope of reward. The Treta Yuga spanned a further 1,296,000 years.

Dvapara Yuga: in which righteousness again diminished by a quarter. Now the single truth and single scripture fragmented into four. Humanity moved further and further from the ways of good and as a consequence found itself beset by disease and disaster. This age lasted 864,000 years.

Kali Yuga: the age in which we are living now. Once again righteousness was reduced so that in our present time we are only one quarter as spiritual as our most distant ancestors. Most of humanity no longer makes sacrifice to the One God. Hunger and fear have become commonplace, as have natural and man-made disasters. This age is destined to last 432,000 years. (The Secret History Of Ancient Egypt, Herbie Brennan. pgs 201-202)

1,728,000
1,296,000
0,864,000
0,432,000
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4,320,000 = 4 million, 320 thousand years..
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I'm curious as to when we as conscious beings on this planet start counting time and dates. When did we actually decided it was a certain date and a certain time? I tried to Google, but I can't find the answer anywhere. I just get a bunch of definitions of what A.D and B.C stand for, but it's not what I'm looking for. Some humans claim the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, but how can they even make such a claim when we don't even know when the first date and time was recorded.

My theory on time is that it was created so we can organize our lives around a system. I just hate to see when archaeologist claim something is millions of years old, but we don't even know when we started counting the days and years.

People will tell me it was when Jesus Christ was born, but I'm pretty sure there were humans before that, so we basically just don't know this answer.

Isn't it funny how we give ourselves comfort with the bullshit these scientist and archaeologist come up with? Just like we have 4,200+ different religions and various philosophies that try to explain existence, but we clearly don't know.
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many don`t have time as imagined within this topic

There is no Classical Chinese word equivalent in meaning to the English word time. The original meaning of shi is “timeliness” or “seasonality,” in which both time and space are affected. In other words, the Chinese idea of time is understood within the specific space.

According to Yuelin , or the Monthly Order, written no later than third century B.C., spring affects cardinal point east, and is dominated by the agent of wood; summer affects south, and is dominated by fire agent; autumn affects west, and is dominated by metal agent; winter affects north, and is dominated by water agent.

The earth agent affects the central location of the intersections of the four cardinal directions, and dominates the four seasons. (Yuelin, SZ, 1352-87) By extension, shi, seasonality or timeliness refers to doing something at the appropriate time (which is determined by harmonious associations with the theory of the Five Agent), and at which time an action can succeed.

In the early Chinese texts, there is no story that describes the creation of the world out of nothingness and marks the beginning of time.

In Chinese chronologies, time is not counted from a single date, such as the birth of Christ, but from repeated historical beginnings, or the foundation of a dynasty, or a royal family. On the personal level, individual lives, certainly bounded by birth and death, but each person's life is regarded as a link within the continuum of the ancestral lineage, which includes both of the living and the dead.

However, the ancestral spirits related directly to the living through rituals, such as food offering etc. These spirits were not gods like those of ancient Greece, nor were they souls who stood before an almighty God to be judged.

The approach of describing Chinese idea of time as cyclical, or sometimes, of spiral by sinologists derives from a play on the Western geometrical metaphor for time, is the alternative of a straight line.

It is helpful as a means of differentiating the Chinese concept from the Western metaphor of a straight line, but not a Chinese metaphor of time.
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Read the first few chapters of the Bible and you will have found your answer.
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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I knew I was going to get these religious replies. Is there an non-religious answer anyone can give me? Something that embraces and correlates to the reality we are perceiving.
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They started looking the moment you asked the question.
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They started looking the moment you asked the question.
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...

I'm really waiting for an answer, I hope it's taking long because they are looking for the answer. We clearly are lost in this existence because we were born into without even wanting to be here. We have clearly created this reality out of necessity to survive. Humans weren't sitting at a desk in front of a computer device connecting around the globe with other fellow humans, this is the FUTURE but we don't know what year it truly is.
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not sure of the exact date, but the Summerians tracked the stars, so they must have been counting back then as well.
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...like I thought, nobody knows the answer. So why should we believe these claims that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, or that the bone they found in my backyard is 300,000 million years old?
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I knew I was going to get these religious replies. Is there an non-religious answer anyone can give me? Something that embraces and correlates to the reality we are perceiving.
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see my thread.. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1354775/pg1#22332839​

ignore them lol
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The Babylonians divided the day into 24 hours, each hour into 60 minutes, each minute into 60 seconds. This form of counting has survived for 4000 years. To write 5h 25' 30", i.e. 5 hours, 25 minutes, 30 seconds, is just to write the sexagesimal fraction, 5 25/60 30/3600. We adopt the notation 5; 25, 30 for this sexagesimal number, for more details regarding this notation see our article on Babylonian numerals. As a base 10 fraction the sexagesimal number 5; 25, 30 is 5 4/10 2/100 5/1000 which is written as 5.425 in decimal notation.

this might answer your question better
but it doesn't account for chinese clepsydras
which may have been older but were probably invented as a gadget first with practical applicatons coming later

pots excavated from Mohenjodaro might have been used as water clocks; they are tapered at the bottom, have a hole on the side, and are similar to the utensil used to perform abhishekam (pour holy water) on shivalingam

still about 4000 yrs
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but really your argument is with paleontology
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I'm still not getting an answer to my question. How the hell can someone tell me the Earth is this old? How can you say today is 02/08/2011 when you don't even know when we started counting these numbers?

It's as if we're born into this world and just can't question anything. We need answers, good answers. Society is truly comformity, nobody ask questions anymore. Next thing you know humans start eating feces and the next generation that is born will just do what the next monkey is doing (Monkey See, Monkey Do).
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One has to ask whether TIME & SPACE really exist in the material universe, seeing as ufo contactees/abductees have been told by aliens/ET's that TIME & SPACE are 'non-linear' & that it's our conscious minds that 'measure' the differences of cause & effect within the laws of physics within our environment. There is no linear TIME & SPACE at the sub-atomic level & pure energy levels as it's too 'fluid' to be fixed in linear 'steady' paths.

It's said in the Hindu sripts about the 4 ages of Kali, but that GOD is without TIME & SPACE, which means it's illogical to have a begining and an end! .. it just 'is.'

In other words, the human measurement of TIME & SPACE only started when 'conscious' minds, be that ET/alien or humans in the solid material universe decided to put a 'mark' between physical & non-physical points of reference, be that a physical measurement or a conscious understanding of the passing of 'time' inbetween events within a 'space.'

Makes sense now?
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1831.
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Very good question. According to some the calendar should read, the year 145,000 CE.

They will probably say it goes back to when writing was invented circa Sumeria.
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...like I thought, nobody knows the answer. So why should we believe these claims that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, or that the bone they found in my backyard is 300,000 million years old?
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Those who say 4.6b. YEARS go by the geological record and the speed of movement away from the origin of the 'big bang'.

Do you have an alternative?

Whenever it was that the original human beings appeared, you and all human beings have a direct biological and genetic link.

There are many questions around this issue, personally I do not think the 'when' of it is the most important unless you are trying to settle some other issue that you have not revealed.
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An unbeliever will speak now:

Your 2 questions are unrelated. it is not necessary to know when people starting recording time in order to determine how old something is.

Take carbon-14 dating, for example. A small portion of this carbon is in the form of Carbon-14, an unstable radioactive isotope. Once an organism dies, the C-14 in the organism begins to disintegrate. Because it disintegrates at a steady, known rate, scientists can measure the amount of C-14 remaining and use a scientific formula to determine the age of the sample.
So: if a creature, such as a dinosaur, died millions of years ago, we can determine that without having to have had someone there recording the time and date of the death.

Now, lets expand that to tools and man-made objects. Suppose you find a human skeleton grave, and with it was buried several artifacts. You can carbon date the skeleton and therefore come to a reasonable conslusion as to the age of the artifacts. You can then reasonably estimate that all of the artifacts of that same design are within that generation or two of production. Again, it is not necessary to have recorded and noted the time the first time around.

As far as keeping track of dates and times? That's a different question all-together, but I won't go into that now because I don't believe that's what you're looking for. Do some searching on c-14 dating, you will learn all you seek about this question.

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An unbeliever will speak now:

Your 2 questions are unrelated. it is not necessary to know when people starting recording time in order to determine how old something is.

Take carbon-14 dating, for example. A small portion of this carbon is in the form of Carbon-14, an unstable radioactive isotope. Once an organism dies, the C-14 in the organism begins to disintegrate. Because it disintegrates at a steady, known rate, scientists can measure the amount of C-14 remaining and use a scientific formula to determine the age of the sample.
So: if a creature, such as a dinosaur, died millions of years ago, we can determine that without having to have had someone there recording the time and date of the death.

Now, lets expand that to tools and man-made objects. Suppose you find a human skeleton grave, and with it was buried several artifacts. You can carbon date the skeleton and therefore come to a reasonable conslusion as to the age of the artifacts. You can then reasonably estimate that all of the artifacts of that same design are within that generation or two of production. Again, it is not necessary to have recorded and noted the time the first time around.

As far as keeping track of dates and times? That's a different question all-together, but I won't go into that now because I don't believe that's what you're looking for. Do some searching on c-14 dating, you will learn all you seek about this question.

-Rusted (A non-believer, as requested)
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An unbeliever will speak now:

Your 2 questions are unrelated. it is not necessary to know when people starting recording time in order to determine how old something is.

Take carbon-14 dating, for example. A small portion of this carbon is in the form of Carbon-14, an unstable radioactive isotope. Once an organism dies, the C-14 in the organism begins to disintegrate. Because it disintegrates at a steady, known rate, scientists can measure the amount of C-14 remaining and use a scientific formula to determine the age of the sample.
So: if a creature, such as a dinosaur, died millions of years ago, we can determine that without having to have had someone there recording the time and date of the death.

Now, lets expand that to tools and man-made objects. Suppose you find a human skeleton grave, and with it was buried several artifacts. You can carbon date the skeleton and therefore come to a reasonable conslusion as to the age of the artifacts. You can then reasonably estimate that all of the artifacts of that same design are within that generation or two of production. Again, it is not necessary to have recorded and noted the time the first time around.

As far as keeping track of dates and times? That's a different question all-together, but I won't go into that now because I don't believe that's what you're looking for. Do some searching on c-14 dating, you will learn all you seek about this question.

-Rusted (A non-believer, as requested)
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So, you just want to re-quote me twice? I don't understand..
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There may not be precise answer to this question. Let us ask this question differently. When did "I" started counting time ? Well, I started counting time when I got the knowledge of using a clock or a calendar or more crudely, when I understood that during the presence of sun it is called as day and in the absence of sun it called as night. So, these day and night are the names given to a period and a pair of these constitutes a day. This may be coinciding with invention / development of numbering system by humans during the same time when they have coined names 'Presence of Sun as Day time', 'Absence of Sun as Night time' and pair of these as 'One Day'. As the human intelligence developed, he would have started marking these "Days"(as seen in some old cave carvings)with straight lines and so on. So, can we say that we started counting time, day, night, numbers, years etc when our intelligence came into existence. This could have happened just about a thousand years ago. Once we know how to count forward, we also know how to count backward. So, may be about a thousand plus years ago we started counting time and developed more precession in it. This may be the answer to your question "When did Humans started counting time?"
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There may not be precise answer to this question. Let us ask this question differently. When did "I" started counting time ? Well, I started counting time when I got the knowledge of using a clock or a calendar or more crudely, when I understood that during the presence of sun it is called as day and in the absence of sun it called as night. So, these day and night are the names given to a period and a pair of these constitutes a day. This may be coinciding with invention / development of numbering system by humans during the same time when they have coined names 'Presence of Sun as Day time', 'Absence of Sun as Night time' and pair of these as 'One Day'. As the human intelligence developed, he would have started marking these "Days"(as seen in some old cave carvings)with straight lines and so on. So, can we say that we started counting time, day, night, numbers, years etc when our intelligence came into existence. This could have happened just about a thousand years ago. Once we know how to count forward, we also know how to count backward. So, may be about a thousand plus years ago we started counting time and developed more precession in it. This may be the answer to your question "When did Humans started counting time?"
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

looks like a little longer than 1000 years ago if wiki can be trusted, lol
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One another angle to find answer to the question "When did....time" is to find out the oldest time measuring system / gadget known to human. It may approximately determine the time when TIME counting started.
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One another angle to find answer to the question "When did....time" is to find out the oldest time measuring system / gadget known to human. It may approximately determine the time when TIME counting started.
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look out for some mammoth bone with scratches
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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One another angle to find answer to the question "When did....time" is to find out the oldest time measuring system / gadget known to human. It may approximately determine the time when TIME counting started.
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look out for some mammoth bone with scratches
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The scratch's represent when a predator was gnawing at it.
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One another angle to find answer to the question "When did....time" is to find out the oldest time measuring system / gadget known to human. It may approximately determine the time when TIME counting started.
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look out for some mammoth bone with scratches
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The scratch's represent when a predator was gnawing at it.
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ah....not


the scratches are better referred to as etches....


KE

The ke is a traditional Chinese unit of decimal time lasting approximately a quarter of a western hour.

Traditionally the ke divides a day into 100 equal intervals of 14.4 minutes (14 m 24 s).

The ke is equivalent to the centiday (cd), a non-SI prefixed unit.


Ke literally means 'to etch' or 'to cut', and it is part of the noun Kedu which refers to etched-on markings on measuring devices
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I'm curious as to when we as conscious beings on this planet start counting time and dates.

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um....pregnancy

all began with child birth....
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1 Temporal measurement

1.1 History of the calendar
1.2 History of time measurement devices

2 Definitions and standards

2.1 World time
2.2 Time conversions
2.3 Sidereal time
2.4 Chronology

3 Religion

3.1 Linear and cyclical time
3.2 Numeric and Divine time

4 Philosophy

4.1 Time as "unreal"

5 Physical definition

5.1 Classical mechanics
5.2 Spacetime
5.3 Time dilation
5.4 Relativistic time versus Newtonian time
5.5 Arrow of time
5.6 Quantised time


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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ancient carvings with markings in tune with the passing of lunar orbits pre-date babylonians and others; even the greeks had some among them who uttered something akin to:
"confound that man that first divided my days in halves, lessening my enjoyment of a full day - and further confound him who subsequently drew those halves by halves again, and quartered them all - where before I had all eternity, everything is now a mad rushing as to the cadence of the hours..."
(I never knew the quote in full (probably first said by that great sayer of sayings, mr. ibid, if not ms. anon), but ancient greek to latin to early english to modern; he may have been quoting an ancient aphorism at the time) -
so, in short: ages ago. ;)

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