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Patriot Act Defeated Until December

 
Chickensalad
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I was at a Cafe at 1am my time when I saw this on the news. I was ecstatic, others in the room didnt feel it though. I was literally telling everyone in the joint, but most didn't care. So, I brought the great news back to those that cared. You, GLP. The Patriot Act has been voted down until at least December, still a major victory for us, "WE the people", I think. Allows us to make phone calls without wondering, or sending emails, or just getting together with the pals without thinking, "I better be careful who hears what I say".


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bump

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This is important GLP, especially for us....
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Jebus!! Do I have to put BREAKING NEWS in my thread to make it worth while to people?!?
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That article didn't say it was the whole patriot act, just 3 provisions within it. It only failed by 7 votes though.
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That article didn't say it was the whole patriot act, just 3 provisions within it. It only failed by 7 votes though.
 Quoting: korp

Your right, but you have to look at the third provision....

The third provision, Section 6001 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorist Prevention Act of 2004, closes a loophole that could allow individual terrorists not affiliated with specific organizations to slip through the cracks of FISA surveillance

Thats where they can pretty much follow you wherever based on little evidence and claim you a terrorist.
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Holy Cow! First Pin! Thanks for getting the info out Mods!hf
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til december.....whats after december........ 2012
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til december.....whats after december........ 2012
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


yea but got to remember phen that all that crazy wonderful happy/bad/itchy/burny stuff for 2012 is predicted for the closing months of 2012

unless your talking about elections
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RTFA, the extension till December was defeated. The act will be extended before becoming permanent.
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til december.....whats after december........ 2012
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


yea but got to remember phen that all that crazy wonderful happy/bad/itchy/burny stuff for 2012 is predicted for the closing months of 2012

unless your talking about elections
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260053

it was said by a media personality that gets posted here, cant recall, that 2011 we will see some radical changes this year in preps for 2012. thats what i was inferring to - im thinkin it was defeated for a more significant cause to be implemented later.

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This was a preliminary vote without debate, meaning it required a two-thirds supermajority to pass. Even then it was only defeated pretty narrowly. It will be up for another vote later in the year which will require just a simple majority, so it will have no trouble passing then.
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til december.....whats after december........ 2012
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


yea but got to remember phen that all that crazy wonderful happy/bad/itchy/burny stuff for 2012 is predicted for the closing months of 2012

unless your talking about elections
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260053

it was said by a media personality that gets posted here, cant recall, that 2011 we will see some radical changes this year in preps for 2012. thats what i was inferring to - im thinkin it was defeated for a more significant cause to be implemented later.
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ahh, thanks for clearing it up. I do remember that it slipped my mind
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Pray you do not have to flee in winter.
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til december.....whats after december........ 2012
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


yea but got to remember phen that all that crazy wonderful happy/bad/itchy/burny stuff for 2012 is predicted for the closing months of 2012

unless your talking about elections
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260053

it was said by a media personality that gets posted here, cant recall, that 2011 we will see some radical changes this year in preps for 2012. thats what i was inferring to - im thinkin it was defeated for a more significant cause to be implemented later.
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Like ending the stupid costly messy unending war.
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That article didn't say it was the whole patriot act, just 3 provisions within it. It only failed by 7 votes though.
 Quoting: korp

Your right, but you have to look at the third provision....

The third provision, Section 6001 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorist Prevention Act of 2004, closes a loophole that could allow individual terrorists not affiliated with specific organizations to slip through the cracks of FISA surveillance

Thats where they can pretty much follow you wherever based on little evidence and claim you a terrorist.
 Quoting: Chickensalad


Interesting how they can write and enact these laws this quickly but can't add laws like banks cannot sell mortgages to anyone else..

Debt collectors cannot sell their debts..

And a whole fucking library full of new and useful laws, checks and balances.
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The Patriot act and what it is used for.


Reporter Ken Marshall of the Cleveland Plain Dealer did get his hand on a copy of the Patriot Act sneak-and-peek statistics for fiscal year 2009. Those statistics show that 50.6% more Patriot Act sneak-and-peek searches were carried out by federal agents in 2009 than in 2008. Here are the reasons the government gave for carrying out those searches in 2009:

Drugs: 73.7%
Fraud: 4.8%
Unspecified: 3.3%
Extortion/Racketeering: 3.2%
Fugitive/Escape: 2.2%
Robbery/Theft: 1.9%
Immigration: 1.5%
Weapons: 1.3%
Currency: 1.2%
International Emergency Economic Powers Act: 0.7%
Terrorism: 0.5%

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The Patriot act and what it is used for.


Reporter Ken Marshall of the Cleveland Plain Dealer did get his hand on a copy of the Patriot Act sneak-and-peek statistics for fiscal year 2009. Those statistics show that 50.6% more Patriot Act sneak-and-peek searches were carried out by federal agents in 2009 than in 2008. Here are the reasons the government gave for carrying out those searches in 2009:

Drugs: 73.7%
Fraud: 4.8%
Unspecified: 3.3%
Extortion/Racketeering: 3.2%
Fugitive/Escape: 2.2%
Robbery/Theft: 1.9%
Immigration: 1.5%
Weapons: 1.3%
Currency: 1.2%
International Emergency Economic Powers Act: 0.7%
Terrorism: 0.5%

[link to www.cleveland.com]
 Quoting: Nailer45


and thats right on the money.. doesnt matter what country it is.. every western country has these flavour of the month invasion of privacy laws in the name of teh terroriss!

the list youve displayed there shows exactly what its ment to do.. and its working perfectly

it was ALWAYS about giving respective governments absolute power under the cover of security.. if it was more than 0.5% terrorism they'd be shitting themselves. they wouldnt know how to deal with a real threat.. they do know how to control their own people
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Jebus!! Do I have to put BREAKING NEWS in my thread to make it worth while to people?!?
 Quoting: Chickensalad


LOL! Thank God, wouldn't have guessed that the outcome in a million years...
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This is a great step in the right direction.

Both Parties agreed on Liberty and the Republic for which it stands.

The Goverment will have a difficult time adhearing to this.
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what people don't realize is that they are going to snoop on us regardless of the law. the only thing the law does is allow them to use the evidence in court.

their goal is not making us safe, it is to build their intelligence files in order to know who is awake.

that said, i am all for reversing the patriot act and a small victory is still a victory.



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That means something will probably happen to cause them to sign it into law without time for reading a lot of new updates that will be slipped into it.
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This is a great step in the right direction.

Both Parties agreed on Liberty and the Republic for which it stands.

The Goverment will have a difficult time adhearing to this.
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How so? It was barely defeated. The Republican Party tried to extend it, and would have succeeded if a few of their lot hadn't voted with the Democrats.
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I wrote my rep. and senators several times about this vote and I just wrote my rep again to tell her I appreciate the defeat of this bill. I think she probably voted for it, but I haven't found the record yet. Every one needs to tell them how we feel about the repeal of our first and fourth amendments. Please write them about it now before they reintroduce the bill.
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This is a great step in the right direction.

Both Parties agreed on Liberty and the Republic for which it stands.

The Goverment will have a difficult time adhearing to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205638

How so? It was barely defeated. The Republican Party tried to extend it, and would have succeeded if a few of their lot hadn't voted with the Democrats.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518



yes, they blamed the dissenting tea party for the defeat.


GOD BLESS THE TEA PARTY!!! let's take the party back from the communist rino's that are trying to destroy it from within.



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lol.......they are still watching everything you do....they just arent doing it legally anymore....have you ever known your government to do anything illegal?? Anyway, got some scifi reading for serious reviews, Wrath of Nibiru thread...Not done editing yet, feel free to enjoy
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This is a great step in the right direction.

Both Parties agreed on Liberty and the Republic for which it stands.

The Goverment will have a difficult time adhearing to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205638

How so? It was barely defeated. The Republican Party tried to extend it, and would have succeeded if a few of their lot hadn't voted with the Democrats.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


The Dems renewed the entire thing recently and want to make it permanent. The media is really throwing a spin on this one.
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If the Patriot Act is killed off, even if its just bits of it, it is because THEY choose to - not because we made it happen.

I don't think any of us should take credit for anything. We the people can't defeat SHIT.
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Those racist America hating Teabaggers don't want us to be safe!!

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