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Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?

 
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Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I never understood this. Muslims and Christians are much closer in their beliefs than either of them are with Jews. Muslims believe in Christ as the Messiah and in the second comming, they believe in John the Baptist, Mary, all that.

Yet, it seems reality is to the contrary. Christians cling to Jews...that same who reject their God in his entirety. Not only that but conservative Christians are the TOP donators to Israel.

This baffles me to no end. Are Jews in some way (I know, this sounds ridiculously ignorant) controlling Christian culture?
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I agree. But Christians love Jews cause their boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I never understood this. Muslims and Christians are much closer in their beliefs than either of them are with Jews. Muslims believe in Christ as the Messiah and in the second comming, they believe in John the Baptist, Mary, all that.

Yet, it seems reality is to the contrary. Christians cling to Jews...that same who reject their God in his entirety. Not only that but conservative Christians are the TOP donators to Israel.

This baffles me to no end. Are Jews in some way (I know, this sounds ridiculously ignorant) controlling Christian culture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747284


Christians love money.
Jews Control money.
Hence Christians love Jews.

Simple really.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Lol, so Muslims just don't fit into the pyramid?
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I agree. But Christians love Jews cause their boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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Occams razor is wonderful isn't it?
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I agree. But Christians love Jews cause their boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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Occams razor is wonderful isn't it?
 Quoting: Dead Sunlight


it works.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Lol, so Muslims just don't fit into the pyramid?
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Muslims love raping there women then stoning them for being whores.
Blowing themselves and everyone else up because there lives totally suck. (If they can’t have it good, no one can.)
And praying all day long.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Maybe Christians don't like getting stoned, blown up or having their heads cut off.

Just a theory...
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I never understood this. Muslims and Christians are much closer in their beliefs than either of them are with Jews. Muslims believe in Christ as the Messiah and in the second comming, they believe in John the Baptist, Mary, all that.

Yet, it seems reality is to the contrary. Christians cling to Jews...that same who reject their God in his entirety. Not only that but conservative Christians are the TOP donators to Israel.

This baffles me to no end. Are Jews in some way (I know, this sounds ridiculously ignorant) controlling Christian culture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747284


Do your homework. They are opposed at all ends. The Muslim Christian war is the holy war of all holy wars.

Sorry, thread fail. You might need some starter fluid or something, or you just have a bad spark plug...
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I have had the opportunity to work with both groups on a large scale and have found the Muslim groups to be very welcoming and loving, and the Jews much more cold and distant. I have no idea why this is.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
I have had the opportunity to work with both groups on a large scale and have found the Muslim groups to be very welcoming and loving, and the Jews much more cold and distant. I have no idea why this is.
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less hypocrite.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
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... HISTORICALLY ...
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... FIRST ... Abraham, Issac, Jacob ... WAY before Yeshua and M!!! ...
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... SECOND ... Yeshua, from the Tribe of Judah, right around CE to 30+ ...
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... THIRD ... Muslims at 600+ CE ...
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... historical truth ...
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... M lived on the TRADING routes of both the Jews and the Chrisitans ...
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... M took from BOTH in his own teachings which changed as he met different historical events ...
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... M's DIDN'T write the Q ... it was done his followers several decades AFTER his death! ...
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... they VOTED on whether their recollections were correct or not ...
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... NO ... believers in Yeshua CANNOT get along better with followers of M ...
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Muslims don't believe in jesus. The only think he was a messenger not the messiah. Muslims do not believe in the second coming.
Sorry, but your wrong.
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Muslims tend to burn & destroy churches & christians, so no, there is no compatibility.
Politicians And Diapers both need to be changed often, and for the same reason
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Jesus only got "violent" one time and it was against Jewish money changers. Muslims believe usury is a sin while I believe Talmudic Judaism encourages this.
Islam is really just like Mormonism. The reasons people "hate" muslims rather than Mormons is because of media manipulation. The media manipulators have a lot invested in making Xtians and Muslims fight.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Muslims hate everyone except other Muslims. They are completely alien to our way of life.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Jesus only got "violent" one time and it was against Jewish money changers. Muslims believe usury is a sin while I believe Talmudic Judaism encourages this.
Islam is really just like Mormonism. The reasons people "hate" muslims rather than Mormons is because of media manipulation. The media manipulators have a lot invested in making Xtians and Muslims fight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1036190



Never seen a Mormon saw off someone's head with a dull blade on live TV before....

just sayin...
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Muslims don't believe in jesus. The only think he was a messenger not the messiah. Muslims do not believe in the second coming.
Sorry, but your wrong.
 Quoting: 1FutureMarine1


You are correct of course.

Which makes me wonder...where in the hell do people come up with this shit that Muslims believe that Christ is the son of God and will come again?

Now the Quar'an does call Jesus the Messiah, but the word has a much different meaning than Christians use to describe Christ. A messiah can be any anointed person, or anyone who delivers others from some type of oppression. Christians think the word messiah applies only to Christ, but that is wrong. Here are the relevant verses in the Qur'an which prove that Muslims accept Jesus as an apostle only, not the so of God (Isa is the Arabic name for Jesus).

The Family of Imran:

[3.45] When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).

The Women:

[4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

[4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

[4.172] The Messiah does by no means disdain that he should be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoever disdains His service and is proud, He will gather them all together to Himself.

The Dinner Table:

[5.17] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah-- He is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could control anything as against Allah when He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and all those on the earth? And Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He pleases; and Allah has power over all things,

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

[5.75] The Messiah, son of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.

The Immunity

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).

(Note: There are many other verses in the Qur'an which show that Jesus is not the son of God. For brevity's sake, I used only those verses which included the word Messiah.)
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Muslims don't believe in jesus. The only think he was a messenger not the messiah. Muslims do not believe in the second coming.
Sorry, but your wrong.
 Quoting: 1FutureMarine1


You are correct of course.

Which makes me wonder...where in the hell do people come up with this shit that Muslims believe that Christ is the son of God and will come again?

 Quoting: The Professor 660063


I never said they believe Jesus was the son of God. You haven't denied that they believe he is Mesiah. They do believe that he will return. Here you go:

Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.

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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
You really need to check your facts before you spout off. Muslims DO NOT believe that Christ is the messiah. The messiah has not come yet in muslim beliefs. They do beleive that Jesus was a prophet and messenger but not the messiah. They have some regard for Mary as the mother of Jesus and one the 4 righteous women of islam. Neither are considered divine.
They believe in he coming of the Mahdi who will turn all of the world to allah but not the return of Jesus as the messiah.

I never understood this. Muslims and Christians are much closer in their beliefs than either of them are with Jews. Muslims believe in Christ as the Messiah and in the second comming, they believe in John the Baptist, Mary, all that.

Yet, it seems reality is to the contrary. Christians cling to Jews...that same who reject their God in his entirety. Not only that but conservative Christians are the TOP donators to Israel.

This baffles me to no end. Are Jews in some way (I know, this sounds ridiculously ignorant) controlling Christian culture?
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Op, how old are you? If your drinking what is it? If your smoking what is it? You need some fresh air. JESUS CHRIST is the only Christianity. Jews are looking for their Messiah to come, I am not sure what Islamic folks are looking for other than blood.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
This baffles me to no end. Are Jews in some way (I know, this sounds ridiculously ignorant) controlling Christian culture?
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
You really need to check your facts before you spout off. Muslims DO NOT believe that Christ is the messiah. The messiah has not come yet in muslim beliefs. They do beleive that Jesus was a prophet and messenger but not the messiah. They have some regard for Mary as the mother of Jesus and one the 4 righteous women of islam. Neither are considered divine.
They believe in he coming of the Mahdi who will turn all of the world to allah but not the return of Jesus as the messiah.

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Seems like a lot of people need to get their facts straight. They DO believe that Jesus (Isa) will return and bring peace to the world. What is your source?
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Maybe an actual Muslim can better answer the questions of what they believe. But every source/commentary I've checked states that they DO believe in Jesus as the MESSIAH. Not as the Son of God, or as God himself.

Al-Masih—"The Messiah" (Holy Qur’an 3:40). "His name shall be Messiah Jesus." Al Kamalan, the commentators, say he is called Al-Masih either because he was both blessed and anointed by the Angel Gabriel, or because whomsoever Jesus touched he healed.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Are Jews in some way (I know, this sounds ridiculously ignorant) controlling Christian culture?
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Christians have been metodically re-programmed with new Bible translations and new Bible interpretations. A century ago, any Christian worth his salt would have hated Jews for rejecting and killing Jesus. It took quite some time to turn this idea around 180 degrees, and make the Christians worship the ground Jews walk on instead.

But that's still no proof Jews are behind the change as such. I think it's just part of the Elite's plan for endgame.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Muslims accept most Christian and Jewish prophets and teachings
Christians accept most Jewish teachings
but Jews accept nothing but their own.

All three religions are inherently the same fucking thing...the reason for all the holy war is deep-rooted blood feud among families, crusades etc.

So many people had been killed so...SO long ago, it will never cease. They aren't fighting about which religion is more correct, they are holding centuries old grudges that their previous generation told them to hold lol.. oh silly people
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Check out the latest of Indonesia and they stop talking through your ass.
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Those fails facts about muslims are just-- okay, let me get this fucking straight.

Firstly, We do not seek for bloody wars or hate anyone. God told us to treat everyone equally and be nice to them all.
When the world will see us as just human beings who love to cherish their god and religion? Sure, some muslims may seem way too off what I say but don't judge the religion and judge the person! (In fact, if you didn't judge at all is way better.)

Secondly, we do believe in Jesus as just a messenger from God to get his people on the right road. We, muslims, believe in the bible but not the bible in these days. They are all re-written from people who have never even talked to god. Quran has never seen a change in its letters or words ever for 1435 years!

We're peaceful to everyone, stop listening to those who tell you we're terrorist or bad people.
We believe in Jews and Christians because they are both were mentioned in our holy quran.

In fact, if we were seeking for blood as most of you say, let me remind you we weren't the one who killed thousands of innocent children in Gaza and philistine. Get your mind worked up before you speak for something you don't even know!
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
The reason that a lot of Christians prefer Jews over Muslims is that they have no idea what Jews think about Christians.

An example

Who Was Jesus?
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
Maybe Christians don't like getting stoned, blown up or having their heads cut off.

Just a theory...
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You forgot crucified...
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Re: Shouldn't Christian get along better with Muslims than with Jews?
i always thought the same thing. and not all muslims are violent people who hate christians

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