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Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?

 
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Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?

Should God, show all consequences to infractions and sins or hide them?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse?
Perhaps it is if the sinner was not fully informed of the consequences.

If the law does not show all significant consequences to a crime or infraction, is the perpetrator really making an informed choice and if not informed completely of all consequences, is he culpable and should the penalties hidden by the law maker be applied to someone who did not know those were part of the consequences?

For example, is it moral for man or God to place a $ 10.00 per mile penalty on speeders when it has only warned of a $ 5.00 posted fine?

What if one of the consequences is a great benefit to the perpetrator?
Should the perpetrator ignore that benefit for any perceived harm?
Especially if that harm is kept from him by the law maker?

The morality of your answers will condemn your God so if you even attempt to answer, so be careful.

I will be relating these question to the myth of Adam and Eve and showing how immoral God was acting within that myth as well as elsewhere in the O T.

We often use the term on earth as it is in heaven. This indicates to me that we are to emulate God as a father figure or parent and law maker.
If God can just add on any arbitrary unknown punishment to a sinner, does that mean that human laws should do the same. Secular law seems to have rejected such notions. Would you?

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Re: Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
I posed the question to see what people though of the fact that God did not inform A & E about the benefits and negative consequences of eating of the tree of knowledge and if they think A & E would have done things differently if they would have has full disclosure.
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Re: Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
I posed the question to see what people though of the fact that God did not inform A & E about the benefits and negative consequences of eating of the tree of knowledge and if they think A & E would have done things differently if they would have has full disclosure.
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There was absolutely full disclosure:

"Then the Almighty God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.

The Almighty God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Genesis 2:15-17

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Re: Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
you know what op God works one on one with us as individuals on a case by case basis. and yes He has hidden much from us

every mouth will be stopped op none of us have any excuse. remember Noah He was very close to God and from him on we have deviated from the path. read genesis God knows our hearts are wicked

yet we are asked to seek Him and trust in Him. very few did in ot times and then in divers times and places -- the Holy Spirit flowed in impartation He came and went. all went astray all sinned all fell short.

all of us every one. there is none righteous. like sheep we are all astray

God revealed Himself to us through His Son Jesus Christ -- in Him the Godhead dwelt fully. you here in the English speaking world surrounded by Bibles and churches you know the Gospel. God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life

Jesus died for your sins, was buried, and rose the third day to provide you the free gift of eternal life :-) you can do nothing to earn attain or even maintain this gift -- all you need do is open the door Jesus is knocking. ask seek find! ;-)

if you don't like Genesis read the Gospel of John. smart guy like you can polish it off in one evening. I am staking my life here and hereafter on John being true! I believe God, although in this flesh I am wicked, my belief in Jesus Christ is accounted to me for righteousness. I am righteous IN CHRIST and I am to reckon myself righteous ONLY IN HIM

read Romans it explains what Jesus came for. our desperate state and need for a savior. and how the full price of all our sin was paid for on the cross :-)

we are free in Jesus Christ my friend. it's what the Bible is all about. as for those ignorant we are commanded to go to the ends of the earth preaching the gospel and making disciples ;-)

while we were yet sinners Christ died for us op. for me sure I wonder about a lot of the Bible I'm finishing off my 7th time through, cover to cover. you know what I just stick very close to the gospel and keep my eyes fixed on Jesus -- I trust in the Lord implicitly and He makes straight my paths

furthermore we have the Holy Spirit imputed to us -- not just imparted. we receive Him as a seal and a down payment and a guarantee the moment we believe He lives inside us giving us the knowledge and power we need ;-) we yield to Him and He pours through us!

I no longer question the Bible I did that for too many years I now yield and allow it to question ME :-)

love peace and joy

rb
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Re: Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
I posed the question to see what people though of the fact that God did not inform A & E about the benefits and negative consequences of eating of the tree of knowledge and if they think A & E would have done things differently if they would have has full disclosure.
 Quoting: Greatest I am


There was absolutely full disclosure:

"Then the Almighty God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.

The Almighty God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Genesis 2:15-17
 Quoting: just ducky


Yes.
Where does God give the information, before the fact, of both the benefits of eating of the tree of knowledge and also of the other penalties that he imposed on them and us via original sin?

Show the quote or recant.

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DL
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Re: Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
i think he's more of a 'need to know' kind of manager.
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Re: Does God use a full disclosure policy or does he hide information?
you know what op God works one on one with us as individuals on a case by case basis. and yes He has hidden much from us

every mouth will be stopped op none of us have any excuse. remember Noah He was very close to God and from him on we have deviated from the path. read genesis God knows our hearts are wicked

yet we are asked to seek Him and trust in Him. very few did in ot times and then in divers times and places -- the Holy Spirit flowed in impartation He came and went. all went astray all sinned all fell short.

all of us every one. there is none righteous. like sheep we are all astray

God revealed Himself to us through His Son Jesus Christ -- in Him the Godhead dwelt fully. you here in the English speaking world surrounded by Bibles and churches you know the Gospel. God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life

Jesus died for your sins, was buried, and rose the third day to provide you the free gift of eternal life :-) you can do nothing to earn attain or even maintain this gift -- all you need do is open the door Jesus is knocking. ask seek find! ;-)

if you don't like Genesis read the Gospel of John. smart guy like you can polish it off in one evening. I am staking my life here and hereafter on John being true! I believe God, although in this flesh I am wicked, my belief in Jesus Christ is accounted to me for righteousness. I am righteous IN CHRIST and I am to reckon myself righteous ONLY IN HIM

read Romans it explains what Jesus came for. our desperate state and need for a savior. and how the full price of all our sin was paid for on the cross :-)

we are free in Jesus Christ my friend. it's what the Bible is all about. as for those ignorant we are commanded to go to the ends of the earth preaching the gospel and making disciples ;-)

while we were yet sinners Christ died for us op. for me sure I wonder about a lot of the Bible I'm finishing off my 7th time through, cover to cover. you know what I just stick very close to the gospel and keep my eyes fixed on Jesus -- I trust in the Lord implicitly and He makes straight my paths

furthermore we have the Holy Spirit imputed to us -- not just imparted. we receive Him as a seal and a down payment and a guarantee the moment we believe He lives inside us giving us the knowledge and power we need ;-) we yield to Him and He pours through us!

I no longer question the Bible I did that for too many years I now yield and allow it to question ME :-)

love peace and joy

rb
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I would start to question again if you value your soul.

To rely for your salvation on the immoral practice of trying to profit from the barbaric murder sacrifice of an innocent man says that God will send you straight to hell for using what you think is his son as your personal scapegoat.

Regards
DL