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īSuppressedī technologies just donīt work - Conspiracy buffs claim corporate interests bury engine innovations

 
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īSuppressedī technologies just donīt work - Conspiracy buffs claim corporate interests bury engine innovations
Kelly Taylor
Winnipeg Free Press

WINNIPEG -- Like a full moon, a spike in gas prices seems to bring out the "suppressed technology" conspiracy theorists.

Remember Charles Nelson Pogue? He allegedly built a 200-miles-per-gallon carburetor. In 1936, the Winnipeg Free Press rejoiced in his 26 miles to a pint, which, when extrapolated, exceeds 200 mpg. He "heated" the gas to extract every last drop of kinetic energy sealed within its molecular bonds.

Think it worked? You may be surprised to know that even Pogue eventually admitted it didnīt.

Ever hear of Josef Papp? Itīs pronounced "pop," which, not coincidentally, rhymes with flop. From 1958 until his death in 1989, he worked on a so-called fuel-less engine that used sealed charges of inert gas, energized by electricity into explosive expansion, to push down on pistons -- not unlike the pistons in a standard gas engine. The only fuel required would be a twice-yearly recharging of these sealed charges.

Once "started" by a pulse from a battery, not unlike the way starter motors kick a gas engine into gear, the noble-gas-fuelled engine would power itself, using the motion of the motor to drive an alternator that would provide the charge to energize the inert gases.

Itīs the stuff of Art Bell, the guru of all things paranormal -- and paranoid.

Depending on which conspiracy theorist you speak to, youīll hear a common, but slightly altered, version of why neither Pogue nor Papp died as the richest man alive. At its core, the conspiracy theory says that both "inventions" were suppressed by the one company that controls everything.

That would, of course, be Pepsi. Or is it Microsoft?

Patents were bought or stolen by oil companies loathe to see the worldīs population not consuming fossil fuels like drunken frat boys at a kegger. Or by car companies who didnīt want to be embarrassed by not being the inventor. People were threatened. Families broken. At its extreme, the theory says aliens are controlling the pace of technological development on Earth from a cloaked mothership in orbit.

Deliberately overlooked in this tale -- why let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory? -- is that, today, any company, even an oil company, would make billions from exploiting these allegedly suppressed technologies -- more money than could ever be made from the worldīs dwindling oil supplies.

Also ignored is that the patents on this suppressed technology have long since expired, such that nobody can suppress them any longer. If they worked. Also overlooked is Pogueīs own denial that his technology had ever been suppressed, a denial that came about the same time a letter to the editor in a Vancouver paper insisted Pogue had been murdered by oil interests -- which came as news to Pogue.

Pogue, in his declining years as a maker of oil filters in Montreal, refuted his own claims of a 200-mpg carburetor.

If an automaker, looking to escape millions of dollars in U.S. Corporate Average Fuel Economy fines, could knock off a large chunk of its corporate fuel economy simply by dusting off 70-year-old blueprints on technology for which patents expired decades ago, it would.

If you try to point out that even on the most strident suppressed technology conspiracy websites there is no credible evidence that either of these things ever worked, anything you say gets woven into twisted conspiracy theories that then implicate you in the web of those being manipulated by unseen forces.

Letīs look at both ideas closely. Pogue theorized that by heating gasoline, a finer mist of gasoline would be produced, which would allow the combustion process to extract the most amount of energy from a given amount of fuel.

Setting aside for a moment that virtually every automaker has been working for the last 100 years to do exactly that, the main problem is that thereīs a finite amount of energy in each drop of gasoline.

Even if you could get 100 per cent efficiency out of the fuel (you canīt), you still wouldnīt come close to 200 mpg. You might get to 60 mpg, but youīd have no power. Acceleration to 100 kilometres an hour would be measured in minutes or hours, not seconds.

In 1961, E.A. Allcut, who was professor emeritus in mechanical engineering at the University of Toronto, said that for Pogueīs carburetor to achieve its claim, it would be extracting from gasoline twice the amount of energy available in it.

"This is equivalent to saying that you can pour about two pints out of a one-pint pot," he wrote.

And donīt forget it is mathematically and practically impossible to achieve 100-per-cent efficiency with any mechanical or chemical process, never mind 200 per cent.

Remember that as we look at Pappīs noble-gas engine, an alleged breakthrough in the cold fusion of helium.

Forget that they donīt call inert gases inert for nothing. Forget that physicists around the world have worked for decades on cold fusion to no avail. Forget that even the core of the sun lacks the energy needed to fuse helium. Even if you could coax a mysterious blend of inert gases (helium, xenon, argon, krypton and neon, the story goes) into forming plasma filaments, which, the theory goes (and there actually does appear to be some credible theory to support the idea) expand and then collapse almost instantly, you would never get it to continue running on only the energy provided by an alternator powered by the same engine.

A fundamental law of physics states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed: It can only be converted from one form into another.

The potential energy in the bonds of gasoline molecules is converted into kinetic energy during combustion. The kinetic energy in moving water is converted into potential energy (electricity) in a turbine, and so on.

Put that against the law that says no machine or chemical process can ever be 100-per-cent efficient and it means that the energy going into an engine must be more than the energy that comes out.

Even if all that engine did was power the alternator, there wouldnīt be enough energy driving the alternator to just keep the engine running, never mind move the vehicle.

Any attempt to publicly demonstrate Pappīs engine was cloaked in suspicion. Nobody ever saw Papp concoct his blend of inert gases. Any attempt to verify (disprove, argue the conspiracy theorists) Pappīs technology always ended in bizarre, secretive failure.

One time, apparently, the alleged engine ran for a while then exploded, killing not only a bystander but also any hope of proving (or disproving) the theory. If Pappīs engine was suppressed, it was only by his extreme paranoia, which led him to take the secret of his engine -- whether it was a scam or real -- to his grave.

Itīs a bit like Pogue. When it came time to verify his carburetor, lo and behold, it was stolen! Police investigated the alleged break-in across from Winnipegīs Capitol Theatre, but arrested nobody. Coincidence? Looking at how both technologies vanished from view, the most charitable among us likely think snake oil.

The conspiracy theorists see that and scream "suppressed technology." My theory says the technology wasnīt suppressed -- it was ignored because it didnīt work.
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05/29/2011 12:20 PM
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Re: īSuppressedī technologies just donīt work - Conspiracy buffs claim corporate interests bury engine innovations
stop talking out your ass
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05/29/2011 12:33 PM
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Re: īSuppressedī technologies just donīt work - Conspiracy buffs claim corporate interests bury engine innovations
What a fuckin shill.

Hey OP, tell you masters that we know that energy is free, and they will soon be TPTW (The Powers That Were)!

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Re: īSuppressedī technologies just donīt work - Conspiracy buffs claim corporate interests bury engine innovations
I wish to correct the person that wrote that Mr. Pogue admitted his carburator didn't work. In fact Mr. Pogue had established an agreement with an eastcoast company to further develop and market his invention. Unfortunately Mr. Pogues body was found a short time later in the Nevada desert and the company that held the specs for his device quietly disappeared. Mr. Pogues concept was to vaporize the fuel thus allowing for more complete combustion and reducing the amount of fuel needed as compared with current day carburation which works with the liquid fuel. Far from being a crackpot, Mr. Pogue was simply rediscovering what shell reaserchers had worked out in the early '50s. Watch the documentary "Gashole" and you will see the original Shell pr film showing the researchers with their test vehicles putting the new tech through it's paces. As to the question, "Do large corps and the government supress these inovations?" you bet they do. Many of these patents which as you claim are publicly available, cannot be obtained from the patent office because they have been classified "Secret" owing to issues of "national security"





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