Fine. I've got no problem with that.

Just know that when you post things on public forums the public reads them. And there are going to be certain members of the public who may disagree with you. Particularly if they assess what you've written and deem it to be....wrong.



Fine. Just know though, that when you make arguments ilke that...the debate can potentially kind of...end.

I mean....do you see where discussion becomes futile? It's an unfalsifiable claim.

You can claim the Thundercats are riding on jet skis behind Elenin because "science hasn't discovered they're not". You can kind of say anything you want.

Which can leave people wondering how (if at all) to respond.

Still, moving on.



These are all rather well-studied objects/phenomena.

I'm NOT saying there COULDN'T be some absolutely unprecedented, mind-bogglingly unexpected "thing" following Elenin which fits into one of the categories you've listed above.

I'd be all ears....if you just gave a bit more than what you've given. Because what you've given is basically...just a single sentence. The sentence I've quoted above.

I've actually read a lot about stars. I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but stars are one of my favorite things to read about in astronomy. If you were to give some kind of comprehensive idea/theory explaining this lethal star-like object following Elenin....I'd be all ears.

I can say though if something "was" following Elenin it wouldn't be a "distant" supernova because supernovae are....distant. And it wouldn't be a black hole because black holes...don't follow around comets. They'd have no reason to. Black holes are among the most-dense objects in nature. It'd swallow up a comet before it'd ever trail behind it, if anything.



Dark energy/dark matter is a tricky thing. It makes up 80-90% (allegedly) of everything that exists....yet we can't see it or detect it.

Well...we can "detect" it, but in very roundabout ways (such as in the motions of spiral galaxies and gravitational lensing, ect...).

But I'm not entirely sold at all on the "mainstream" idea of dark/energy/matter and I think it's going to be "modified" by future discoveries probably sooner than later.

BUT ANYWAY, in relation to what you wrote....I don't know. Maybe.

See- fine. You have these theories. Great. But...be comprehensive. It's one thing to just throw things out there ("I think whatever it is might be something not discovered by science yet"/"I think Elenin might be carrying with it dark energy/matter") it's something ELSE to back it up with....at least a little evidence.

And I'm not sure what you mean by Elenin comes from "outside" the Solar System....(?)

I haven't read anything about Elenin being an interstellar object. Most comets come from the Oort Clouds, which marks a sort of de facto "border" of the Solar System, but is not outside of it.

But yeah, I haven't read anything about that yet...



You're right.

But it's a futile point.

If you're expecting ANYTHING to EVER be 100% proven without a shred of doubt...it's never going to happen. There's always something "missing".

But there are degrees of evidence. And sometimes the evidence (though never 100%) is profound.

It's up to you I guess. If you want to not believe anything that isn't 100% airtight...that's your right.

But your "ideas" are subject to the same standard.



Lots of people a lot smarter than me do also. I've read some. I think it's very interesting.



lol...



I've never said that.

Never said that. Never will.

I've actually advocated, in many ways, in many threads, the fact that so much in astronomy is as of yet undiscovered is what makes it SO interesting.

I've posted this before- check out any issue of any monthly astronomy magazine. It will be OVERFLOWING with articles about NEW discoveries. As well as articles raising unanswered QUESTIONS.

This is something I've said countless times on this site. You'd search for a very long time if you were trying to find a post of mine where I say we "have all relevant information and understand everything space and our existence in it."

I've never said that. Never will. Don't believe it. Never will. Never have.

What many of you "believers" can't seem to moderate apparently is this: just because there is lots we DON'T know (and there is lots) it doesn't mean there isn't much we DO.

There ARE aspects of astronomy that are VERY well studied.

Have been for centuries. A millenia.

The research is there. The studies are out there for your scrutiny.

The evidence is there. It's ALL there.

If it doesn't meet your personal standards....then fine.

But I've read a lot. And it makes sense to me.




lol...again, I've never said that.

One thing I will agree with you is, yes, anyone who DID think that way would be a fool.



...I have no idea where you got this idea that I thought there was nothing "left to discover".

There's so much.



lol....Where is this condescension coming from? What's so "difficult" to understand about what you wrote?

I'm not saying what you wrote was "dumb" or "nonsensical". It's just....Jesus, don't flatter yourself. It wasn't a "chore".



No, I had no idea. If it's true it's news to me (Elenin is not at the top of my daily "to-do list").... and it's totally interesting.

It's certainly probably not the first or the last.

Shit whizzes through the interstellar medium all the time. There are planets and brown dwarves and asteroids and even stars flung out from the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way blasting their way around out there, constantly.

If Elenin did not originate from the Oort Cloud...then I wonder where the hell it came from...? If what you said is true. It's interesting though. I'll go read up on it.

That's what I think though.

(I have to say I don't recall ever seeing the term "hyperbolic" in any of these contexts either....But then again I can't recall ever reading about any extrasolar comets either....I guess I'll read up...)


Ditto.


Cool.

Deal?