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****The Real Purpose of the Illuminati ********

 
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For the past few months I have been starting to think the Illuminati is being purposefully badmouthed...promoted by conspiracy sites (which thrive off 80% propaganda and 20% data)...
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Al, I've got a question. Isn't there different 'factions' involved? So, some may have different agendas, some for/some against the populace...
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Sure, there are many varieties as there is condiments and ketchup, lol..

You can only be sure of yourself and the level you vibrate, the choices you make all have a part

The Real Illuminati are thousands of years old. They know theres been a plan for earth long before there was a human footprint upon it, and they know of the plan for earth long after there are no human foot prints upon it..

Life is Universal. Truth is Both God and Science.
 Quoting: EDWARD . M. DEW.( ALCHEMIST)


Like I said....if, they have our best interests at heart...WHY ALL THE SECRETS? There should be none so, all may move forward in enligtenment & ascension. hearts
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Al, I've got a question. Isn't there different 'factions' involved? So, some may have different agendas, some for/some against the populace...
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Sure, there are many varieties as there is condiments and ketchup, lol..

You can only be sure of yourself and the level you vibrate, the choices you make all have a part

The Real Illuminati are thousands of years old. They know theres been a plan for earth long before there was a human footprint upon it, and they know of the plan for earth long after there are no human foot prints upon it..

Life is Universal. Truth is Both God and Science.
 Quoting: EDWARD . M. DEW.( ALCHEMIST)


Like I said....if, they have our best interests at heart...WHY ALL THE SECRETS? There should be none so, all may move forward in enligtenment & ascension. hearts
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I wonder, if the secrets are known, then maybe it would be understood why they must be kept secret. It may be like keeping them 'pure'...
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Illuminati means ENLIGHTENMENT

The purpose is to help evolve humankind back to 1,000 year plus lifespans and harmonious living with the earth. To create a human with no need of laws and regulations cause they are trust worthy and have the law written in their heart

To unite Man with God and God with Man until the two are inseparable.
 Quoting: EDWARD . M. DEW.( ALCHEMIST)


You and anyone else can say these things... But when you observe their actions, the hypocrisy of your statement shows.

Example... If they're a group of good people ,why do they cause so much death and destruction? Wars, famine, genocide... I know they do it and how they do it so I'm right about them.

But how can you justify the murder of innocent children?

I'm very interested in how you're going to try to sell this death cult as something good and righteous.
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Both forces, Duality are allowed to exist for a time, cause it does represent our true nature. Our Amygdala core brain governs flight or fight. To tame the Dragon is the goal of our Inner Michael.

All things are in a cycle. We are the offspring of former wipe outs and survivors. It is said we are the forth group of humanity on earth.

Its beyond our understanding if this resulted in stronger offspring or not. But we have to be assured, the Goal IS. PEACE ON EARTH.
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Not sure how anything you said justifies the murder of innocent children...

And it seems like you're selling the "war is peace, slavery is freedom" doublethink.

If you want to sell this stuff to people like me, you'll need to come up with something better than that Ed, sorry.
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Ed, their actions speak volumes to all that are awake. Sure, they may do "some" good work but, it's to confuse us into believing they have our (which is really their) best interests at heart.
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Honestly OneLove, You would really do best to focus on oneself, Be the best you can be, We can never be so sure until we are in someone elses shoes. You have no evidence to really know by hearsay whether someone is a illuminati or not. Theres lots of people that stifle their consciousness and do selfish things, yes. We all do to some extent in our lives

We just have to be respectful that everyone is on their own developmental time table,

Love your family meanwhile. Be moral and upright . Be cautious, yes, while navigating ones way thru the world.

But you have little time to figure who YOU really are , And this should be the said goal of everyone. We never know who we really are until we are in those shoes.
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Honestly, cleaning one's own house, not becoming the very thing one would hate.. very good message.

Not sure this "illuminati" have been very good teachers for this though...

However since regular 'unilluminated' fellas seem to have this innate quality for this though is something I feel is something we can be very thankful for at least.
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Al, I've got a question. Isn't there different 'factions' involved? So, some may have different agendas, some for/some against the populace...
 Quoting: SickScent


Sure, there are many varieties as there is condiments and ketchup, lol..

You can only be sure of yourself and the level you vibrate, the choices you make all have a part

The Real Illuminati are thousands of years old. They know theres been a plan for earth long before there was a human footprint upon it, and they know of the plan for earth long after there are no human foot prints upon it..

Life is Universal. Truth is Both God and Science.
 Quoting: EDWARD . M. DEW.( ALCHEMIST)


Like I said....if, they have our best interests at heart...WHY ALL THE SECRETS? There should be none so, all may move forward in enligtenment & ascension. hearts
 Quoting: OneLove


I wonder, if the secrets are known, then maybe it would be understood why they must be kept secret. It may be like keeping them 'pure'...
 Quoting: SickScent


Who decided that "they" should keep the secrets from us? We're all ONE! They're keeping us separated in a sense.
I, Christine Ann ~ ~, delete, cancel, terminate, void, rescind, null, break any contracts, agreements, vows which I and/or my ancestors were not aware of, or I was mislead into these contracts, agreements, vows or never given full disclosure in the physical, etheric, astral, etc. realms in this
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Edward a little off topic, but are you or do you know Nick Collette? What do you feel about him?
Personally Ive nothing against alchemy cept I wouldnt mess with it unless I went to school for chemistry. And cept I dont believe in a magical elixer... no offense because I like your posts here. What you do in your spare time in your business. Just wondering if you knew Nick?
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OP,I may have taken you seriously at some point if you hadnt been so cruelly dismissive of that woman who was under MKULTRA mind control. Why should anyone believe that you know what you are talking about when you know absolutely nothing about their mind control programs. You are whacked.
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+1

Op is a jerkoff. Never been loved. So sad.
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Wrong. I love him...I love all of humanity. I might not like everyone, though...especially rude and inconsiderate people. *poke*
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Oh yeah...5 STARS OP!!!

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whoa, the 3 pillars are for the The spheres of the Tree of Life diagram pillars - wow too cool! thanks ( I dont actually wanna be a mason, it sorta freeks me - yea ok im outa balance I dont seek evil and bad shit happens instead (unexpected karma / equal amount of negative energy to every positive action I make...) same thing I think? i can "inject 50% evil" or "suffer a negative effect" (either one) as a result of any positive action put forth? or am I waaaay off here? I see some sort of balance must be offered...one way or another. If i do only good.. negative stuff happens as a result of the dual energies... if I PURPOSELY do 50% good and 50% "evil" (opposing something good?) then I am "in balance"? - sounds WEIRD yet it sorta fits? haha help us!
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There is no point in trying to contribute or reasonably question Ed when he gets on his podium. He doesn't know how to hear anything but his own soothing theory of everything.

He does indeed think he has mastered all there is to master. His false modesty can't hide his arrogance. He must start these discussions to distract himself from his inner anxiety and feelings of emptiness and fear.

Personally, I've done the hard inner work on the old inner guilt and shame thing. Stop dumping your judging paradigm on everyone here. That's your own baggage. It's an old model. Why don't YOU start doing the real work of healing and forgiving yourself, instead of preaching to those who aren't broken to begin with?
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holy crap - the goal is "the third pillar"? damn I been wondering what in the hell is the third pillar (yea, they all have symbolic lower level names too) but the masonic third pillar that sort of comes outa no where with J & B aaaah -

so, this "thought" (the opposites is correct, embrace them both, they are both correct when viewed" at the same time, together, as ONE combined force) yea, I think the black and white squares indicate "this the damn way it is, it is two forces, they are opposite, they CO exist and live with it (after learning each side, with time and "Experience" as you say which is what time allows... - a few tries...)

I see we (I) have to accept "evil" - more... maybe relabel it to something more useful? Accept the opposite, try to understand it's purpose so I can accept it 9as I think I am doing now) rather than "remove evil from my life" mroe as repackage it, combine it with good, and use both of those forces at the same time. seems the "Evil ones" are doing this? after all, our lifestyle is sure not living shacks. (although, some choose to I think - maybe more relative in nature really, we cant compare countries accurately) almost like the "Evil ones" offer 50% of each of the forces (good / evil) and we DO evolve (we are, we have and will keep doing so) and yea they do have some darkness to it, I would expect to see it. darkness s simply an opposite force of light though and ALLOWS light to even exist (I think?)

pretty cool, I red your threads always start to end and find it interesting that today, I am not banned (as I usually am for even answering a PC tech question in here haha - today is my lucky day to talk to an initiated one. I am sort of self initiated, I dotn follow the initiations (experiences actually) so I don;t evolve the way the say masons do or something like that... hermetics, esoterics, light study - cover a ton of cultures (because we can these days)

its all very interesting.

I will stand with my BOTH forces theory and try to understand both sides or all forces and never try to be on one side or the other - Out of Balance - Maat says "fall over" bird says "I can't fly with one wing"

we need Evil (opposite ends must be understood and accepted - or else... fall over...)

Can I hear more please? I think it is best I discover it myself - sort a personal initiation "to experience" (and learn if I can)


coolness


thanks!

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Yes, the Key is to balance LOVE and WISDOM (intelligence) People often make a intellectual decision with no heart, Or a emotional one with no street smarts or caution involved.

When you balance, it is why the Initiate is called an Androgyne.

Kether is the crown that is under the Ain Soph Aur, We first recognize God as beyond our understanding, But that he is pure light. Our Crown is our rays of Enlightenment that streams forth from our head when we learn to bride the Above and the Below

Daath is the hidden Sephiroth where it is said Lucifer initiates us, Its the forbidden knowledge, the temptations to "Know" and the understanding of why there is both good and bad thru the world. We ride on the camel thru the wilderness, The HIgh Priestess grants us entry between the pillars which is actually the discovery of the Middle Pillar

Tipareth is the sphere of the Sun God. We understand the archetype of the Sun, We are all miniature suns going thru the Sun Ecliptic of the Zodiac year after year until we die. The Immortal one when he/she is finished with incarnations gets to escape off this wheel and into eternal life

Yesod is the Sphere of the Moon. We understand that there is light even in the darkness, and we adjust the control of our emotions accordingly to be strong in the face of lifes experience. The Moon governs who we are inside when we think no one is looking. In Babylon, The Moon God was named SIN. so we can learn from this.. that even in the darkness of night, there must be a little light to shine.

Going from Yesod to Malkuth , one obtains the Universe and the Kingdom, One Bridges Heaven to Earth. What Began with Saturn ends with Saturn. The Tau is our Cross to bear and we become a Son of God.
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Edward a little off topic, but are you or do you know Nick Collette? What do you feel about him?
Personally Ive nothing against alchemy cept I wouldnt mess with it unless I went to school for chemistry. And cept I dont believe in a magical elixer... no offense because I like your posts here. What you do in your spare time in your business. Just wondering if you knew Nick?
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So Ed??
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There is no point in trying to contribute or reasonably question Ed when he gets on his podium. He doesn't know how to hear anything but his own soothing theory of everything.

He does indeed think he has mastered all there is to master. His false modesty can't hide his arrogance. He must start these discussions to distract himself from his inner anxiety and feelings of emptiness and fear.

Personally, I've done the hard inner work on the old inner guilt and shame thing. Stop dumping your judging paradigm on everyone here. That's your own baggage. It's an old model. Why don't YOU start doing the real work of healing and forgiving yourself, instead of preaching to those who aren't broken to begin with?
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We are all broken, every single one of us... Revelation has already come true, Gods given the Iron Rod to his Son and he smashed the pottery to pieces.

Youre being hypocritical in your own letter to me. Youre putting me on the spot while telling me to focus on myself, Its human nature to accuse another what we ourselves are doing, Im sure I do the same, lol

And I havent mastered all there is to master, Goodness, I have thousands more years to go !!!

Geez... lol..
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"Balance LOVE and WISDOM."
LOVE IS WISDOM.
You can't kill 1 man to save a 100, that's not love, look where it has lead us.
Love is infinite, its a link between all things that support all things.
If you expand your wisdom, consciousness and stay true, you will see the answers to all the problems.
But for that, you have to endure all the sins of men, and survive them.
Are you Jesus Christ, coming back has the King?
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I will study the spheres you speak of and their progression upward on the tree to .. hehe "experience it" and try to understand. I do appreciate you offering us non initiates a few tidbits - yes, some will name call (i just did it! see?) best to pay attention to myself and ignore their experiences as they are not my experience which I must focus on. I can fix me, I know me, I dont need an opinion of me (nor does anyone else, from anyone else, it is pointless effort) to try to effect one's self is the most difficult yet the most "possible" path.. I can change me once I understand. we all can (I think? I dunno?) if we focus only on ourselves. (also would cause most suffering to end right there)

I dunno, I like it the "this opposite beats on that opposite" system I see all around me is like a bird, and his wings each think they will be the boss and they beat the snot out of each other, the bird never flies... the bird suffers and expends tons of energy... maybe he will learn and use BOTH wings, opposed (not against each other though)


I dunno, deep stuff, thanks!
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"Balance LOVE and WISDOM."
LOVE IS WISDOM.
You can't kill 1 man to save a 100, that's not love, look where it has lead us.
Love is infinite, its a link between all things that support all things.
If you expand your wisdom, consciousness and stay true, you will see the answers to all the problems.
But for that, you have to endure all the sins of men, and survive them.
Are you Jesus Christ, coming back has the King?
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what do you know of jesus Crist coming back as a king ?
If you Read RIGHTEOUS WoRds,
you Read fRom the:

fRom: The TRee of Lie ]WoRd[

I AM the (RIGHTEOUS CHRIST RIGHTEOUS GOD CREATOR GOD WORD GOD
CREATOR RIGHT WORD GOD

MARYAGES

Every Eye See.

More FiRe`

JUDGEMENT
(Ascension fuel)


GOD ALL MIGHTY.
MOST HIGH GOD.
FOR EVER.
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The key to the overcoming of death and to the processes of realizing the meaning and nature of eternity and the continuity of life can with safety be revealed only when love holds sway over the human consciousness, and where the good of the whole, and not the selfish good of the individual, comes to be the supreme regard.

Only through compassion and service as the expression of love (unity) can the real message of Christ be understood as we pass on towards a joyful resurrection. Love makes us humbler, and at the same time wiser. It penetrates to the heart of reality and has a faculty of discovering the truth hidden by a form.

The early Nazarenes were simple in this way because they loved one another... because they loved the 'Christ' within each other. Dr. Grensted points this out in the following words, giving us a fine summation of the attitude of the early Christians and of their approach, in those enthusiastic days, to Christ and to life in the world:


They spoke in plain terms of God. They did not think of Jesus of Nazareth as a crucial experiment. They knew Him as Friend and Master, and they put their whole being into the enthusiasm of His friendship and service.

Their preaching was the good news of the Way. They assumed that men already meant something when they spoke of God, and, without challenging the inheritance which they received from Judaism, they set side by side with it the Jesus whom they had known living, and dead, and alive again."


They had been through much more than a time of inexplicable miracles, healing, and voices, and a strange mastery over Nature itself, and at the end a conquest of death. If they had told the world, and us, these things alone, would have been believed? Such stories have always found not hearing. And men would still have known nothing more of the meaning of God.

But their experience had been one of such a Friendship as man had never known, of disastrous failure and a forgiveness beyond all believing, and of a new, a free, a creative life. Nothing of all this was of their own achievement. They knew they were men remade, and they knew that the mode of their remaking was love.

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I will study the spheres you speak of and their progression upward on the tree to .. hehe "experience it" and try to understand. I do appreciate you offering us non initiates a few tidbits - yes, some will name call (i just did it! see?) best to pay attention to myself and ignore their experiences as they are not my experience which I must focus on. I can fix me, I know me, I dont need an opinion of me (nor does anyone else, from anyone else, it is pointless effort) to try to effect one's self is the most difficult yet the most "possible" path.. I can change me once I understand. we all can (I think? I dunno?) if we focus only on ourselves. (also would cause most suffering to end right there)

I dunno, I like it the "this opposite beats on that opposite" system I see all around me is like a bird, and his wings each think they will be the boss and they beat the snot out of each other, the bird never flies... the bird suffers and expends tons of energy... maybe he will learn and use BOTH wings, opposed (not against each other though)


I dunno, deep stuff, thanks!
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AC, you are welcome to join us here...
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whoa, the 3 pillars are for the The spheres of the Tree of Life diagram pillars - wow too cool! thanks ( I dont actually wanna be a mason, it sorta freeks me - yea ok im outa balance I dont seek evil and bad shit happens instead (unexpected karma / equal amount of negative energy to every positive action I make...) same thing I think? i can "inject 50% evil" or "suffer a negative effect" (either one) as a result of any positive action put forth? or am I waaaay off here? I see some sort of balance must be offered...one way or another. If i do only good.. negative stuff happens as a result of the dual energies... if I PURPOSELY do 50% good and 50% "evil" (opposing something good?) then I am "in balance"? - sounds WEIRD yet it sorta fits? haha help us!
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Yes, Be sure though that "evil" is only directed to other "evil" so to speak, lol.. Its still against ones morality to harm innocents. Think of it this way, Satan was the Accuser. Think of demons that are allowed to test what is already in someones heart.

There was a story once of a few magicians, into Magick, A angel appeared and told them to swap wives as in sexual partners., They actually carried it out like a commandment ! What happened was that it wasnt a demon doing a bad thing, but a messenger testing out, how stupid they were !

Being TOUGH LOVE can be called evil by some, There are many that think the death penalty is wrong in all cases when in fact the particular person is so far gone, its illogical to keep them alive. Most reasonable people can make fair judgements.

What is evil? Is destruction of property always evil? Well, take a demolishion of old buildings to make a new one, Sometimes a violent act makes way for the new. Its all on perspective. Its why one must balance love and wisdom

Parents do the same thing when they force a kid thru rehab when the kid wants to be left alone to do continue a drug addiction. Parents that might call the cops on their own kids when all else has failed is a example...

Defending yourself against a intruder is a easy example as well.

Biggest realization of all, Is knowing in all of us, there is selfishness and their is capability of doing bad...In circumstances, we can switch roles and be the intruder, we can be the perpetrator easily if conditions warranted it, We have to KNOW THYSELF to always be humble.


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I will study the spheres you speak of...I dunno, deep stuff, thanks!
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AC, you are welcome to join us here...
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So haughty, so all knowing. I thought Jesus taught humility. Nothing you said was all that incredible, heard it before.. funny.

I don't believe in anything, thats like you're accepted or you're not.. that goes for The Golden Dawn and Holy Spirit Baptisms.

Im sick of this, you gotta be in the club crap. Who determines that? Another man? Give me a break. Let God determine my worth and readiness. Let God be my Master.
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Sure, there are many varieties as there is condiments and ketchup, lol..

You can only be sure of yourself and the level you vibrate, the choices you make all have a part

The Real Illuminati are thousands of years old. They know theres been a plan for earth long before there was a human footprint upon it, and they know of the plan for earth long after there are no human foot prints upon it..

Life is Universal. Truth is Both God and Science.
 Quoting: EDWARD . M. DEW.( ALCHEMIST)


Like I said....if, they have our best interests at heart...WHY ALL THE SECRETS? There should be none so, all may move forward in enligtenment & ascension. hearts
 Quoting: OneLove


I wonder, if the secrets are known, then maybe it would be understood why they must be kept secret. It may be like keeping them 'pure'...
 Quoting: SickScent


Who decided that "they" should keep the secrets from us? We're all ONE! They're keeping us separated in a sense.
 Quoting: OneLove


Well, we are all one is nice to imagine, but not true in physical reality, or spiritual growth.

I am with you OneLove, but I am just looking at this being realistic. Afterall, there are a lot of sociopaths, etc out there in the world. Just thinking out loud...
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"Being TOUGH LOVE can be called evil by some"
Tought love is a lack of widsom and consciousness.
Love is not "tought".
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Like I said....if, they have our best interests at heart...WHY ALL THE SECRETS? There should be none so, all may move forward in enligtenment & ascension. hearts
 Quoting: OneLove


I wonder, if the secrets are known, then maybe it would be understood why they must be kept secret. It may be like keeping them 'pure'...
 Quoting: SickScent


Who decided that "they" should keep the secrets from us? We're all ONE! They're keeping us separated in a sense.
 Quoting: OneLove


Well, we are all one is nice to imagine, but not true in physical reality, or spiritual growth.

I am with you OneLove, but I am just looking at this being realistic. Afterall, there are a lot of sociopaths, etc out there in the world. Just thinking out loud...
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Sickscent, One good exercise to do is realize the potential that oneself can become a sociopath, Say a domino effect happened , a series of events and you were in the shoes doing what youd think youd never do ! Its what Hollywood movies are made of, but its in the Lords Prayer, "Lead me not into Temptation"

Its a first step, and humbling to realize what we are capable of . So we keep praying we are never led to such, but that we keep fighting the fight within ourselves, emerging triumphant.
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Bravo for even TRYING to get a discussion on this topic Edward...it's a word that is so tied to evil and secrecy that people rarely look into it from all angles. I think you have a good way of approaching these subjects and I, for one, am glad you're here to do just that.
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"Balance LOVE and WISDOM."
LOVE IS WISDOM.
You can't kill 1 man to save a 100, that's not love, look where it has lead us.
Love is infinite, its a link between all things that support all things.
If you expand your wisdom, consciousness and stay true, you will see the answers to all the problems.
But for that, you have to endure all the sins of men, and survive them.
Are you Jesus Christ, coming back has the King?
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Hi, I wish, We will see, lol.... Im a natural born Magen David...I know I have a certain destiny..

All in time and circumstance..

It is said there is 144,000 archetypes to live out, I learn alot of the 88 constellations, called the Mazzoroth.

Thank you for all your kind imput ! LOVE is WISDOM in all its perfection...
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I wonder, if the secrets are known, then maybe it would be understood why they must be kept secret. It may be like keeping them 'pure'...
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Who decided that "they" should keep the secrets from us? We're all ONE! They're keeping us separated in a sense.
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Well, we are all one is nice to imagine, but not true in physical reality, or spiritual growth.

I am with you OneLove, but I am just looking at this being realistic. Afterall, there are a lot of sociopaths, etc out there in the world. Just thinking out loud...
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Sickscent, One good exercise to do is realize the potential that oneself can become a sociopath, Say a domino effect happened , a series of events and you were in the shoes doing what youd think youd never do ! Its what Hollywood movies are made of, but its in the Lords Prayer, "Lead me not into Temptation"

Its a first step, and humbling to realize what we are capable of . So we keep praying we are never led to such, but that we keep fighting the fight within ourselves, emerging triumphant.
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I do something like that while in my lucid dreams. For example, I am free to do whatever I like. What do I choose to do when there does not seem to be any reprecussions?
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I will study the spheres you speak of and their progression upward on the tree to .. hehe "experience it" and try to understand. I do appreciate you offering us non initiates a few tidbits - yes, some will name call (i just did it! see?) best to pay attention to myself and ignore their experiences as they are not my experience which I must focus on. I can fix me, I know me, I dont need an opinion of me (nor does anyone else, from anyone else, it is pointless effort) to try to effect one's self is the most difficult yet the most "possible" path.. I can change me once I understand. we all can (I think? I dunno?) if we focus only on ourselves. (also would cause most suffering to end right there)

I dunno, I like it the "this opposite beats on that opposite" system I see all around me is like a bird, and his wings each think they will be the boss and they beat the snot out of each other, the bird never flies... the bird suffers and expends tons of energy... maybe he will learn and use BOTH wings, opposed (not against each other though)


I dunno, deep stuff, thanks!
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Yes ! We use both wings. Love your allegory. =) Dont let the world get you down.. Be brave always. Keep learning, Know that every soul spark is on their path and cruelty simply gets recycled, What is cruel today will be healed and brought back to be kind tommorow...

The Path is the Path of the FOOL. (Fool card of the Major Arcana of tarot) cause many will call you that. But like Rabbi and Teacher Jesus once said, the path is narrow and few will find the way.. while Many are on the broad path to destruction,

Its not a permanent destruction though, Life is energy, it can never die, only renew...

We are lifted up on the wings of eagles !

...they will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint." Isaiah 40:31

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yea, i agree - I think we all have 50% of each force inside us, BY design, we have a thing called "time" also now which allows us to try out the forces and see what happens? - as far as demons and they "offer" - YES! it seems most evil comes as some form of "offer" and we "choose" (or not) it seems almost, to "Fall for evil" at some point in our growth path is normal and even desired (like fall over as a child when learning to walk, later comes balance AFTER we fall over enough) - maybe even some past life or something? the fact we "Can experience it, so we then KNOW" is the key I think? to experience BOTH sides (good / evil - pick your own sets of opposites and go try both sides) is the main goal. at any given moment in time we could be considered "good" or "evil" but we dont live in a snapshot of time, we live in the combined experiences of everything we have experienced up till this point in our lives. Data/information / lessons are "serial in format" ...serial meaning it strings into our existence a piece at a time like a modem. because of that, we cannot "instantly know" and even if we could instantly know... would we not prefer to EXPERIENCE ALL SIDES so we KNOW all sides and therefor KNOW ourselves? to instantly know everything would be to learn nothing (to me) to just suddenly be loaded with a ton of data - that is "program" and involves no choice - it is like a simple machine - do as programmed... seems we cannot just be instantly loaded with all the correct data or else we are nothing more than a machine?

so, we have to flop around, for a long time, experiencing all sides and then we will "know" - same as if ya do a puzzle, and get stumped, and try every single angle for ever, then wham, you suddenly solve it and you KNOW everything about that puzzle after that experience.

side note - I consider myself pure energy, and I am involved in "experiencing" ...life and death ...of "cycles" and all cycles have same pattern - birth, life, death (like a sine wave) it's no my design... its "the design I see" the Goal: Experience, learn, grow - it happens in an "opposites chamber" (our world) something

bout liek that....

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