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Creating a Society without MONEY.

 
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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
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It would be nice. Ideal even. Unfortunately, honor would be required, and that is a resource we seem to have fully depleted.
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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
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There will always be those who wont contribute to society, there can be no "honor system" or such for things like food. A bad apple will horde food, others will starve. There has to be some sort of equitable trade for things. Or, each individual in the society must be able to individually subsist, which would just remove the need for society.
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I've said that before ... even wrote to the flyin' Irishman O'Bama about it LOL ... doubt he got the email laugh
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Get Vic Beck in here
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pt 2 of 4

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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
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I agree with this concept and wish one day it would come to pass. I still think humanity is too primitive to accomplish it, though.
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It's interesting you bring this topic up. I, too, have been saying we have to figure out a way to move beyond money. It really has completely corrupted this world. I don't have the answer, but I think an honest discussion about it is a good place to start.
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The concept of using money as a form of exchange for goods and services is of itself not a bad concept...

The problem on this planet, is the game is rigged!!!

It is not the producers who accumulate wealth... It is the people who know how the game is rigged, that wind up with the wealth!!!
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I kind of agree with you, but i dont see the problem in the money, but in the concept of value and the desire of possession(based on value) in the human ego, that's the root of the problem.

In a exchange process, raises the need for gain, in the two parts that participate and thats where things start. Money has become just a facility for that exchange process. You need people who does not desire to posess(more and more), that would take a new whole evolution of humanity.

The concept of take more than you need and give the less possible is the father of money.

Rigth now I think it is impossible. But as evolution goes, something will happend that will trigger change lets hope it is soon enough, but I think you already know that Candace ;)
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In order to do that there must be complete trust in each other.

It means taking care of others that refuse to help themselves.

Most, even I, would have a hard time helping others that are lazy.

It is an ideal goal though.
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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
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I agree with this concept and wish one day it would come to pass. I still think humanity is too primitive to accomplish it, though.
 Quoting: Free Spirit


Yes it is, but it will be taught after the earth changes, the schools of Christ will teach the proper trading techniques for goods exchange locally and globally.

Man will not in fact build a successful civilization until he considers all his kin. For those that don't understand "heaven" there is no money there, nor is it used on craft. Everyone pitches in. Everyone shares.
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It worked in Star Trek.
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If humans could master matter to energy/ energy to matter conversion, there would be no need of money, commodities, precious stones and metals, drug manufacturing, farming, and greed.
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I kind of agree with you, but i dont see the problem in the money, but in the concept of value and the desire of possession(based on value) in the human ego, that's the root of the problem.

In a exchange process, raises the need for gain, in the two parts that participate and thats where things start. Money has become just a facility for that exchange process. You need people who does not desire to posess(more and more), that would take a new whole evolution of humanity.

The concept of take more than you need and give the less possible is the father of money.

Rigth now I think it is impossible. But as evolution goes, something will happend that will trigger change lets hope it is soon enough, but I think you already know that Candace ;)
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MOney on this planet is not a method of fair trade. I wonder how many people realize what is played in the background, intentionally. it is horrendous. And there is no reason for folks to be starving and not having enough on this planet. there are riiots going on because there is not enough paper, cheap coins and digital credits. the stuff is not even REAL. it is monopoly money. the only thing real about it, is that the thugs get it out of YOUR labor.

We are much fair ways to do money, and it's not about backing it with gold either. But the greed and desire for control does have to change.

did you know the United States alone, is over $Quadrillion in DEBT?

YOu see, none of our money is "money." It's debt. It's created by the bankers out of thin air, and then YOU pay the bill.
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bump
for continued discussion.

I do feel that one day we will live in a world without money
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I kind of agree with you, but i dont see the problem in the money, but in the concept of value and the desire of possession(based on value) in the human ego, that's the root of the problem.

In a exchange process, raises the need for gain, in the two parts that participate and thats where things start. Money has become just a facility for that exchange process. You need people who does not desire to posess(more and more), that would take a new whole evolution of humanity.

The concept of take more than you need and give the less possible is the father of money.

Rigth now I think it is impossible. But as evolution goes, something will happend that will trigger change lets hope it is soon enough, but I think you already know that Candace ;)
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MOney on this planet is not a method of fair trade. I wonder how many people realize what is played in the background, intentionally. it is horrendous. And there is no reason for folks to be starving and not having enough on this planet. there are riiots going on because there is not enough paper, cheap coins and digital credits. the stuff is not even REAL. it is monopoly money. the only thing real about it, is that the thugs get it out of YOUR labor.

We are much fair ways to do money, and it's not about backing it with gold either. But the greed and desire for control does have to change.

did you know the United States alone, is over $Quadrillion in DEBT?

YOu see, none of our money is "money." It's debt. It's created by the bankers out of thin air, and then YOU pay the bill.
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Money is not the problem.

The question is not creating a society without money, but the challenge lies in how we create a society without greed.
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Khmer Rouge rule of Cambodia
Far more than the Chinese communists, the Khmer Rouge relentlessly pursued the ideal of economic self-sufficiency, in their case the version that Khieu Samphan had outlined in his 1959 doctoral dissertation. Extreme measures were taken.
Currency was abolished, and domestic trade or commerce could be conducted only through barter.
The four-year period saw the deaths of approximately 2 million Cambodians through the combined result of political executions, starvation, and forced labour.[1][2] Due to the large numbers, the deaths during the rule of the Khmer Rouge are often considered a genocide, and commonly known as the Cambodian Holocaust or Cambodian Genocide.
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"Anarchism was politically very powerful in Spain, and during the Spanish Civil War, anarchists established communes and collectives wielding coercive authority. One of their first steps was to abolish the use of money on the pain of a death penalty. It is obvious that the supposed anarchist hatred of coercion had gone very much awry. The reason was the insoluble contradiction between the antistate and the antiproperty tenets of left-wing anarchy."
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"'Money' is simply the most marketable good in any given society. If you abolish the most marketable good in a given society (e.g. green slips of paper) there will always be a second most marketable good in that society (e.g. cigarettes in prison), and a third, etc.
You cannot abolish 'money' without abolishing ALL goods. So long as any goods exist, the most marketable of them will automatically be 'money'."
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"Just look at how abundant fish become when you no longer have to worry about money to buy them."

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As long as the majority of people continue to believe that the best idea is to create a ruling class who are exempt from the rules they create for the rest of society, these are the types of results one should expect.

When anyone wants to gain at the expense of others, all one has to do is go to the ruling class who are already exempt from the rules and gain their favors.

This is the 'hole in the boat', 'the weakest link in the chain' through which the corruption flows.

Once you establish a group of people who are exempt from the rules, you've already created the corruption - the source of imminent failure.

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Money is not the problem.

The question is not creating a society without money, but the challenge lies in how we create a society without greed.
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Yes, there needs to be a consciousness shift first, away from materialism. Given the current paradigm, that will not be possible.

Notice I said 'given the current paradigm'. :)

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did you know the United States alone, is over $Quadrillion in DEBT?

YOu see, none of our money is "money." It's debt. It's created by the bankers out of thin air, and then YOU pay the bill.
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That's not a problem with money itself. This is a problem with a particular system of money (fraudulent) being violently imposed upon people.

If the government forced everyone to attend a school that taught children that killing innocent people was good, would you claim that all education is evil and should be abolished? (Look at the endless wars. This isn't so far from the truth...)

That's what you're doing with your money example.

The problem is that people are not free to choose a system not based upon debt and such.

Or in the education example, the problem is that people are not free to choose a system of education that doesn't teach it is good to kill innocent people.

For example:

Liberty Dollar founder convicted of counterfeiting; U.S. attorney calls him a terrorist
"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country," she added. "We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.
[link to www.mountainx.com]

As you can see here, the problem is that people are violently prevented from using an alternative, whether that is gold, something else, or even 'no money' - whatever that entails.
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This will show you how.
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its called mark of the beast.
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The problem I have with this concept is that if there is no money, and all resources are essentially free, what is the incentive for people to do the work to produce resources? Sure, some small proportion of people would feel a need to work, but lots of people would see it as an endless holiday and so would never contribute anything. Perhaps after the consciousness shift that some people have spoken of, and some way like the replicators on Star Trek provided endless amounts of everything with minimal effort. However, I am afraid that that would lead to use becoming a society of "Lotus eaters".
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The problem I have with this concept is that if there is no money, and all resources are essentially free, what is the incentive for people to do the work to produce resources? Sure, some small proportion of people would feel a need to work, but lots of people would see it as an endless holiday and so would never contribute anything. Perhaps after the consciousness shift that some people have spoken of, and some way like the replicators on Star Trek provided endless amounts of everything with minimal effort. However, I am afraid that that would lead to use becoming a society of "Lotus eaters".
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Hmmm... if you take the idea of the 'free store', meaning that you need to bring something, perhaps something that you specialize in (for example let's say you grow wheat), then you leave it at the store in exchange for other things that you need. This means that everyone would need to bring something to contribute in order to take from the store.

You would just need people operating the store that could determine what a fair exchange would be.

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I echo what a lot of others have said, and maybe I am even more cynical. Virtually since the dawn of time, mankind has not changed. Our technology gets better, but we are still the same vicious, barbaric, warlike creatures we've always been.

I don't mean to offend, there are many people in this world who have evolved beyond that, but until the remaining 90% either learns and adapts, or kills each other off, this option will not be on the table any time soon.

Which makes me sad, because I inherently agree that a money-free society NEEDS to be the next step if we are to grow as a species. I am just pessimistic about it.
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I've wondered if it would be possible to have the basic necessities--shelter, food, water, electricity--provided free and then we work for the extras.
I don't mean a free mansion. I mean if you have 2 children you get a 3 bedroom 2 bath home to live in. The house wouldn't belong to you, but what really does anyway?
We pay and pay for property that can be taken on a whim so we actually own nothing.
Anyway, the house would be for you to live in for as long as you want or as long as you live and then it goes to someone else.
All utilities and food would be free.
If you want a boat, fancy car, expensive jewelry, etc...that's where a job comes in.
I realize that this would still involve a form of currency, but basic needs would be met and no one would have to be homeless or hungry and I think enough of us want the "good things" enough to keep us going.

I would love to get rid of money completely and permanently, but how would it work? We are so conditioned we'd be lost.
Lost until we realized the freedom.
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I've wondered if it would be possible to have the basic necessities--shelter, food, water, electricity--provided free and then we work for the extras.
I don't mean a free mansion. I mean if you have 2 children you get a 3 bedroom 2 bath home to live in. The house wouldn't belong to you, but what really does anyway?
We pay and pay for property that can be taken on a whim so we actually own nothing.
Anyway, the house would be for you to live in for as long as you want or as long as you live and then it goes to someone else.
All utilities and food would be free.
If you want a boat, fancy car, expensive jewelry, etc...that's where a job comes in.
I realize that this would still involve a form of currency, but basic needs would be met and no one would have to be homeless or hungry and I think enough of us want the "good things" enough to keep us going.

I would love to get rid of money completely and permanently, but how would it work? We are so conditioned we'd be lost.
Lost until we realized the freedom.
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No, that is not where the job comes in. There is no way to provide all that free without everyone WORKING. You still work but we work LESS because we don't have all sorts of made to put people to work jobs, only what is needed, which provides time for lots of schooling etc. and over time we will have considerably more technology that lessens work also. We will as we mature desire what we need but not excessive wealth that rips off all the other people. but to have it all, we must also either have a place to move as we overpopulate the planet, or we must keep our reproductive activities in line with what the planet and ourselves can handle.
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I've wondered if it would be possible to have the basic necessities--shelter, food, water, electricity--provided free and then we work for the extras.
I don't mean a free mansion. I mean if you have 2 children you get a 3 bedroom 2 bath home to live in. The house wouldn't belong to you, but what really does anyway?
We pay and pay for property that can be taken on a whim so we actually own nothing.
Anyway, the house would be for you to live in for as long as you want or as long as you live and then it goes to someone else.
All utilities and food would be free.
If you want a boat, fancy car, expensive jewelry, etc...that's where a job comes in.
I realize that this would still involve a form of currency, but basic needs would be met and no one would have to be homeless or hungry and I think enough of us want the "good things" enough to keep us going.

I would love to get rid of money completely and permanently, but how would it work? We are so conditioned we'd be lost.
Lost until we realized the freedom.
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I sometimes wonder if the fact that we HAVE to worry about paying the rent and bills stops us from really finding our niche in life and actually being able to create a better society.

Just think if we didn't need to worry about our basic needs being met, what would we do with all that extra time? Wouldn't we naturally start pursuing our dreams and perhaps in that way it could be something that could help others?

Everyone assumes that we need a monetary incentive to work. Yet, what about all those people with fantasitc ideas on improving society who can't pursue them because they are too busy and tired trying to make ends meet?

Sure there would be some lazy people. But if they choose not to contribute to society in any way, shape or form, then they would only have the bare bone basics of a shelter, food, and plain clothing. If they want frills, gaming systems, vacations, etc..., they'd need to get off their asses and do something.
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sorry hippies - wont happen. :(

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