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Creating a Society without MONEY.

 
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03/25/2011 01:29 PM
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well the meaning of mo not is :

you have everything in place.
then you don't let anyone pay for the basic things like living and so on.
you let them pay for other things that they like to have on there spare time or something or a limited credit card for on vacation.
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This will show you how.
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Yes it will

also so will this

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03/25/2011 01:32 PM
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Money is just a technology that enables trade. Roughly it is equal to our time, skill, and material.
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Watch the video that was posted, Zeitgeist moving forward
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03/25/2011 01:33 PM
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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


I think we should create a society without loser idiots like you.

The only reason a life without money appeals to you is because you are a loser. You like to day dream about getting all kinds of shit for free - since there's no money and all you think everyone will continue to go to work and bust ass to give you shit for free.

Why don't you wake the fuck up and join the real world? Learn that everyone serves others and those who do it most effectively gain the most in return. Until and unless you learn to serve others like everyone else, you will continue to be a fucking loser.
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You are blind. The only reason you like living in a world with money is....I can't think of a good reason.
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03/25/2011 01:38 PM
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How about returning to sound money instead of funny money.
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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03/25/2011 01:50 PM
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several other key areas need to be dealt with before a cashless society can work. Where I come from we also have no copy protection on information. Yes people do file for the right to be a owner of a particular work but anyone can use that work. It's set up like an open software distributor. It's actually a lot of fun and benefits science by allowing data to flow into the hands of creative children.

Also we have machine shops so that if a person wants a car they can go into the shop and workers will help them build what ever car they want. If you want a shirt workers will make you one. The key was we had almost no government. We had no jails. For real and we had no visible taxes because uncle Sam owned everything. It was just like going to school for the rest of your life. How well you did depended on how well you could cooperate. People who did not were sent to a thinking room and could leave at any time provided they'd behave.

It only requires one thing, a special mind device that records your every though. If you are going to become a nut case they can see it on the screen while your thinking about it. So the murders are often stopped before they ever leave the minds eye. Thats all I remember just now.
hf
murat
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03/25/2011 01:53 PM
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one other thing. trouble makers were sent to the edge of the city walls and told not to return. It was simple and effective. No one wanted to be cut off from the collective.
(similar to the borg)
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03/27/2011 12:08 PM
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ok....what will folks use to exchange with ??

what will folks when they receive ??
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03/30/2011 04:18 AM
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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


I really think its the way of the future but for now money works. Its just a matter of making it work for us rather than TPTB
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03/30/2011 04:23 AM
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this morning's blogpost, for what its worth (geddit?)

Free Planet - what's in a name?
[link to mikephilbin.blogspot.com]
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03/30/2011 04:26 AM
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Man will not in fact build a successful civilization until he considers all his kin. For those that don't understand "heaven" there is no money there, nor is it used on craft. Everyone pitches in. Everyone shares.
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When you consider how many lives are destroyed because of a printed green piece of paper it is astounding. It doesn't make sense to me, and really never has. And what is more astounding is the vehemence with which people defend that system. There is a better way, but most probably don't want to abandon the possibility of somehow accumulating millions of these pieces of paper for themselves.
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03/30/2011 04:28 AM
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there are too many idiots that would fuck it up...we have to experience some type of hell or literal man made genetic shift before we can trust ourselves...

this whole great staggering effort of civilization is built on one thing -- fear --- in this world, fear is the only thing you can trust..and little symbols representing energy is still the best way we know of to equalize each others' douchiness..obviously it doesn't work too well, but its best we got...more a comment on the severity of the problem (human nature) than the lackluster solution.
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03/30/2011 08:05 AM
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03/30/2011 10:40 AM
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currency....the issue is currency....

there must be currency....

now whether money is morally wrong to use as currency is the question....


Tahiti has some insight on the matter....
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03/30/2011 11:02 AM
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Man will not in fact build a successful civilization until he considers all his kin. For those that don't understand "heaven" there is no money there, nor is it used on craft. Everyone pitches in. Everyone shares.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


When you consider how many lives are destroyed because of a printed green piece of paper it is astounding. It doesn't make sense to me, and really never has. And what is more astounding is the vehemence with which people defend that system. There is a better way, but most probably don't want to abandon the possibility of somehow accumulating millions of these pieces of paper for themselves.
 Quoting: Free Spirit


Money is a tool. JAst as a hammer, another tool, can be used to build or to destroy, so it is with money.

A lack of food causes malnutrition/starvation, not lack of money.

Power nations have no money, they have debt. So money does not equal power.

If one man deposits $1000 per day into a bank, and another consumes $1000 in value in goumet food daily, which one hogs more resources? Where is the greed here?

Civil societies evolve. Evolution involves the atrophy of sstems and methods that are not effective, that do not improve the human cindition. Systems and methods that are effective are utilized. Currency (what we call money) is used by virtually all civil societies today.

Most anti money folks' real problem is not that money exists, but WHO possesses it.
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03/30/2011 11:05 AM
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If people would work to better themselves without the motivation of a monetary system, why is there so much garbage lying about at subsidised housing projects? Many of the residents have nothing to do, lay about all day and call the city to pick up their trash.

Join the real world, come out of the "IF ONLY' world
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03/30/2011 11:16 AM
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Money is nothing more than a physical representative of a variety of values. One cant have a society without values. IT's just that simple. It is not negotiable
In your self centered, lazy teenage dreams you want to be as valuable as someone who actually is productive, an so you have to get rid of the physical measure of it so you can claim some equivalence simply for sucking in air.
Curiously enough Loughner the AZ shooter asked the same question as you on another site and I told him he was crazy and should seek help. For you, I dont see you as crazy, just lazy.
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03/30/2011 11:27 AM
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Sorry,money ain't going nowhere.People love it too much.
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12/04/2012 04:58 AM
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Money is an odd invention, and certainly rare amongst humans like yourselves. The funny thing is, you all can't even imagine living in an environment where the will of another (your employers) completely and always supercedes what you want. Does this make sense to you? Can you start to see where the boundries of your slavery lie?
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12/04/2012 05:02 AM
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I've wondered if it would be possible to have the basic necessities--shelter, food, water, electricity--provided free and then we work for the extras.
I don't mean a free mansion. I mean if you have 2 children you get a 3 bedroom 2 bath home to live in. The house wouldn't belong to you, but what really does anyway?
We pay and pay for property that can be taken on a whim so we actually own nothing.
Anyway, the house would be for you to live in for as long as you want or as long as you live and then it goes to someone else.
All utilities and food would be free.
If you want a boat, fancy car, expensive jewelry, etc...that's where a job comes in.
I realize that this would still involve a form of currency, but basic needs would be met and no one would have to be homeless or hungry and I think enough of us want the "good things" enough to keep us going.

I would love to get rid of money completely and permanently, but how would it work? We are so conditioned we'd be lost.
Lost until we realized the freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1124291


I sometimes wonder if the fact that we HAVE to worry about paying the rent and bills stops us from really finding our niche in life and actually being able to create a better society.

Just think if we didn't need to worry about our basic needs being met, what would we do with all that extra time? Wouldn't we naturally start pursuing our dreams and perhaps in that way it could be something that could help others?

Everyone assumes that we need a monetary incentive to work. Yet, what about all those people with fantasitc ideas on improving society who can't pursue them because they are too busy and tired trying to make ends meet?

Sure there would be some lazy people. But if they choose not to contribute to society in any way, shape or form, then they would only have the bare bone basics of a shelter, food, and plain clothing. If they want frills, gaming systems, vacations, etc..., they'd need to get off their asses and do something.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


If you grant people the basics without asking anything in return who guarantees most won't just conform with it? and then who will be the one that actually builds and maintains all those free basics you take for granted? You end up with the current paradigm of enslaving the productive peoples through taxation to support those who wish to live doing nothing.
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12/04/2012 05:09 AM
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One alternative is to use Bítcoin - At least it is anonymous and not controlled by any government.

Don't know how you get away using from money. People are always going to want to trade stuff. Even in a pure barter economy there would arise some sort of intermediary exchange item like gold or silver.
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12/06/2012 01:46 AM
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"less fear, free gear"

what else could
come out of
negative creativity
but division and death

hf
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12/06/2012 01:50 AM
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The concept of using money as a form of exchange for goods and services is of itself not a bad concept...

The problem on this planet, is the game is rigged!!!

It is not the producers who accumulate wealth... It is the people who know how the game is rigged, that wind up with the wealth!!!
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thank you! someone understands. Getting rid of currency is a really bad idea.

It is a tool. A technology. A strategy. Like a knife. In the right hands used for good. In the wrong hands, used for bad.
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12/06/2012 02:00 AM
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Hi everyone, I am starting a discussion thread for those interested in this concept. All advancing worlds at some point give it up, as it is a tool that is not just for "trade" but also how the greedy ones control and enslave people with it. I talk to people who can't even comprehend the idea. And before we get started, living without money doesn't mean you have to personally go trade with somebody for what you need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 858747


Not gonna happen, OP. Never has been, and never will be.

In fact, you can COUNT on the current monetary system to move into it's hyper tyrannical phase, known as the Mark of the Beast.

Unless you take the Mark, you won't be able to buy or sell... PERIOD.

So my advice would be to stop wasting time with your utopian ideals about justice and equality.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

If you think that it IS going to happen, then you are truly one deluded (and blind) individual.
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12/06/2012 02:03 AM
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several other key areas need to be dealt with before a cashless society can work. Where I come from we also have no copy protection on information. Yes people do file for the right to be a owner of a particular work but anyone can use that work. It's set up like an open software distributor. It's actually a lot of fun and benefits science by allowing data to flow into the hands of creative children.

Also we have machine shops so that if a person wants a car they can go into the shop and workers will help them build what ever car they want. If you want a shirt workers will make you one. The key was we had almost no government. We had no jails. For real and we had no visible taxes because uncle Sam owned everything. It was just like going to school for the rest of your life. How well you did depended on how well you could cooperate. People who did not were sent to a thinking room and could leave at any time provided they'd behave.

It only requires one thing, a special mind device that records your every though. If you are going to become a nut case they can see it on the screen while your thinking about it. So the murders are often stopped before they ever leave the minds eye. Thats all I remember just now.
hf
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You just described HELL.
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12/06/2012 02:13 AM
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Collectivism/Anarcho-Communism - Planned Chaos

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and that is a good thing or a bad thing?
Replant Eden

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Well obviously we need a currency in the interest of trade. We'll make it the self-regulating cannabis in time. The future is now.

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