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If The Attack On Unions Continue To Spread Look For Other Unions To Strike Too Including Teamsters Freight Will Stop

 
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i unemployed, can i stil strike?
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State worker applications available to anyone.
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hope they do strike. Then people that NEED a job can take those...
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Can you drive a truck? a fukin monkey could drive a truck,i could teach a 16 year old girl to drive one

It not that easy of a job and once you learn the equipment prepare yourself for about 5 years thru the school of hard knocks before you "get it".
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Chef, dear, you need to do a bit more investigation! What is happening in Wisconsin IS NOT an attack on ALL unions! It has to do with the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and the union which represents them. All he is telling them is that the State is BROKE, and all the prancing around, vitriol, and sign-waving is not going to change that fact.

Having been a member of a State union, I can tell you that they approach any negotiation in an antagonistic way, demanding this, that, and the other thing or they'll strike. That used to work, but now THERE IS NO MORE MONEY!! The Governor is merely asking them to provide a single-digit percentage contribution to their OWN health-care (which is now free) and to their OWN retirement funds. He is not trying to wipe them out; rather, he is trying to come up with a way that EVERYONE can keep their jobs! If they are UNWILLING to do the right thing to keep ALL of their colleagues working, then he will have no choice other than to lay off teachers.

What this really boils down to is that the UNION is worried that their billion-dollar gravy-train is now in danger of getting side-tracked. They see the writing on the wall, that if they "lose ground" in Wisconsin, they will be set to lose ground in the other 49 states which also, co-incidentally, are BROKE. So they are desperately whipping up their membership, creating chaos and turmoil so no one has the time or inclination to say "Wait a minute, maybe we need to take a fresh look at the role of unions in the modern world. Maybe we need to ask why, if these people are PUBLIC employees, are the taxpayers (their "employers" who are paying for their salaries and benefits) being put into the "pigeonhole" of the big, fat, greedy "boss" whenever there are contract negotiations?"
 Quoting: anonymous coward 1257777


EXACTLY.
Government employees who are payed with peoples' tax dollars should NOT be in a union.

The teachers get their salary, free health care and free pensions.

The union gets even more.

The people can't afford to pay for their OWN health care and retirrement LET ALONE the health care and retirement along with the salaries of these teachers.


Now TEAMSTERS, is a WHOLE different story.
They are NOT paid for with tax dollars.

That's a HUGE difference.
And teamsters pay for their own health care and their own pensions.
It's WAY WAY different than the teacher thing.
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Chef, dear, you need to do a bit more investigation! What is happening in Wisconsin IS NOT an attack on ALL unions! It has to do with the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and the union which represents them. All he is telling them is that the State is BROKE, and all the prancing around, vitriol, and sign-waving is not going to change that fact.

Having been a member of a State union, I can tell you that they approach any negotiation in an antagonistic way, demanding this, that, and the other thing or they'll strike. That used to work, but now THERE IS NO MORE MONEY!! The Governor is merely asking them to provide a single-digit percentage contribution to their OWN health-care (which is now free) and to their OWN retirement funds. He is not trying to wipe them out; rather, he is trying to come up with a way that EVERYONE can keep their jobs! If they are UNWILLING to do the right thing to keep ALL of their colleagues working, then he will have no choice other than to lay off teachers.

What this really boils down to is that the UNION is worried that their billion-dollar gravy-train is now in danger of getting side-tracked. They see the writing on the wall, that if they "lose ground" in Wisconsin, they will be set to lose ground in the other 49 states which also, co-incidentally, are BROKE. So they are desperately whipping up their membership, creating chaos and turmoil so no one has the time or inclination to say "Wait a minute, maybe we need to take a fresh look at the role of unions in the modern world. Maybe we need to ask why, if these people are PUBLIC employees, are the taxpayers (their "employers" who are paying for their salaries and benefits) being put into the "pigeonhole" of the big, fat, greedy "boss" whenever there are contract negotiations?"
 Quoting: anonymous coward 1257777


EXACTLY.
Government employees who are payed with peoples' tax dollars should NOT be in a union.

The teachers get their salary, free health care and free pensions.

The union gets even more.

The people can't afford to pay for their OWN health care and retirrement LET ALONE the health care and retirement along with the salaries of these teachers.


Now TEAMSTERS, is a WHOLE different story.
They are NOT paid for with tax dollars.

That's a HUGE difference.
And teamsters pay for their own health care and their own pensions.
It's WAY WAY different than the teacher thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781996


Hitler abolished unions in 1933
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Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen are supporting the Teamsters.

[link to www.ble-t.org]

Before any of you weenies make a fool of yourself and say something stupid like railroads don't matter, do a little research on just exactly how much and what kind of freight moves by rail in the U.S.

Hint: You will not have any electricity when the coal stops moving.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896


Good, fire them too. National security reasons.

They lose all their Government Railroad retirement also.

Fuck them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923


Just because you are getting fucked in the ass by your employer doesn't mean everybody should.

You could organize the first deep fryer cooks of america chapter at that McDonalds where you work.

But no, you whine instead.
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Chef, dear, you need to do a bit more investigation! What is happening in Wisconsin IS NOT an attack on ALL unions! It has to do with the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and the union which represents them. All he is telling them is that the State is BROKE, and all the prancing around, vitriol, and sign-waving is not going to change that fact.

Having been a member of a State union, I can tell you that they approach any negotiation in an antagonistic way, demanding this, that, and the other thing or they'll strike. That used to work, but now THERE IS NO MORE MONEY!! The Governor is merely asking them to provide a single-digit percentage contribution to their OWN health-care (which is now free) and to their OWN retirement funds. He is not trying to wipe them out; rather, he is trying to come up with a way that EVERYONE can keep their jobs! If they are UNWILLING to do the right thing to keep ALL of their colleagues working, then he will have no choice other than to lay off teachers.

What this really boils down to is that the UNION is worried that their billion-dollar gravy-train is now in danger of getting side-tracked. They see the writing on the wall, that if they "lose ground" in Wisconsin, they will be set to lose ground in the other 49 states which also, co-incidentally, are BROKE. So they are desperately whipping up their membership, creating chaos and turmoil so no one has the time or inclination to say "Wait a minute, maybe we need to take a fresh look at the role of unions in the modern world. Maybe we need to ask why, if these people are PUBLIC employees, are the taxpayers (their "employers" who are paying for their salaries and benefits) being put into the "pigeonhole" of the big, fat, greedy "boss" whenever there are contract negotiations?"
 Quoting: anonymous coward 1257777


EXACTLY.
Government employees who are payed with peoples' tax dollars should NOT be in a union.

The teachers get their salary, free health care and free pensions.

The union gets even more.

The people can't afford to pay for their OWN health care and retirrement LET ALONE the health care and retirement along with the salaries of these teachers.


Now TEAMSTERS, is a WHOLE different story.
They are NOT paid for with tax dollars.

That's a HUGE difference.
And teamsters pay for their own health care and their own pensions.
It's WAY WAY different than the teacher thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781996


Hitler abolished unions in 1933
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237728


He turned them all into one big union.. the NAZIS..
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The president of the local told me these things so they are not my opinion only what they have been told or what they think might happen.

Since I am not a Teamster I have no idea if this will or could happen or not.

The union did offer concessions to the governor everything he asked except the collective bargaining rights. With all the other states following so quickly you have to believe it is a strategy from a higher level.
 Quoting: The Chef


1) Why would Teamsters care anyway?1dunno1
They are not government employees.

2) The Collective Bargaining rights on pensions and bennies are the reason the local counties, municipalities and towns cannot cut back on their budgets. Their hands are tied by UNION CONTRACTS forced down on them by State rules.
In order to be able to adjust their budgeets as they need to locally....the COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS must go.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The video explains why they might care. They consider it a litmus test on workers rights so there you go.
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I soooooo hope they try it.

This will SOLIDIFY the fate of the Unions. evil3
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Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen are supporting the Teamsters.

[link to www.ble-t.org]

Before any of you weenies make a fool of yourself and say something stupid like railroads don't matter, do a little research on just exactly how much and what kind of freight moves by rail in the U.S.

Hint: You will not have any electricity when the coal stops moving.
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Good, fire them too. National security reasons.

They lose all their Government Railroad retirement also.

Fuck them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923


Just because you are getting fucked in the ass by your employer doesn't mean everybody should.

You could organize the first deep fryer cooks of america chapter at that McDonalds where you work.

But no, you whine instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896

Firing your sorry ass is whining.

Nice try zippy the union scrub.
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The problem in Wisconsin is not an attack on unions. Public employees should never have been allowed to unionize. It is a conflict of intrest for most of our elected officials. Unions are among the biggest contributors in any election, so most of our reps owe the unions for their support. The reps in return vote for pay raises for the unions almost every time. The taxpayers take it in the ass so politcians and unionized employees can keep up their lavish life style.
Everyone should be prepared to live off the supplies in their house for at least 3 months. If you don't have any stored supplies, you will be the one hurt by this ridiculous show of force by the unions.
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this Wi.prison guard makes 42 grand after 14 yrs on the job.Have been given 16 unpaid furlough days PREVIOUS to all of this and havent had a raise in the previous 2 contracts.Now I have to listen to my boss talk about taking a baseball bat to my head?! NO...Were gonna fuckin win this thing! Who knows someday I might even get a raise.
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Load all the prisoners in the conex boxes we get with the junk trinkets, and wares from china, get all H-53's available and fly conex boxes south accross the mexican border, drop.

Then fire all of you guard dogs also.

Problem solved.
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Legalize all drugs.

Problem solved.
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Sure are a lotta whiny-ass douche baggers on here lately


Maybe the shills could form their own union, if they could ever agree on anything.
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Any one noticed how certain history has been wipe off the internet? I was going to look for Hitler's support of the union.. and it's now blank except for propaganda.. I started noticing it soon after Thunder came out.. lot of sites went blank.. now there's nothing but BS if you do a search.
It's a FACT that Hitler rose to power though the Workers Union Party..
Even though much like Thunder, he never had a real job his whole life.
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The problem in Wisconsin is not an attack on unions. Public employees should never have been allowed to unionize. It is a conflict of intrest for most of our elected officials. Unions are among the biggest contributors in any election, so most of our reps owe the unions for their support. The reps in return vote for pay raises for the unions almost every time. The taxpayers take it in the ass so politcians and unionized employees can keep up their lavish life style.
Everyone should be prepared to live off the supplies in their house for at least 3 months. If you don't have any stored supplies, you will be the one hurt by this ridiculous show of force by the unions.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


this Wi.prison guard makes 42 grand after 14 yrs on the job.Have been given 16 unpaid furlough days PREVIOUS to all of this and havent had a raise in the previous 2 contracts.Now I have to listen to my boss talk about taking a baseball bat to my head?! NO...Were gonna fuckin win this thing! Who knows someday I might even get a raise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237728

Load all the prisoners in the conex boxes we get with the junk trinkets, and wares from china, get all H-53's available and fly conex boxes south accross the mexican border, drop.

Then fire all of you guard dogs also.

Problem solved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923


Legalize all drugs.

Problem solved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252563


I would actually support legalizing drugs. I did a term paper on what could happen if "that" were to happen. Lower taxes for most of us...taking a real brick out of the sub stucture of gangs, etc.
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So I was talking to a good friend that is president of a local union where I live. They are planning rallies around the country to support the Wisconsin workers. Unions around the country are getting ready to mobilize and are planning to strike if this trend continues around the U.S.

So this union president was telling me that there has been discussions with the Teamsters and that they may strike if it comes down to it because they see this legislation as all out assault on unions. The Teamsters of course control not all but a good part of the truckers around the country.

So could freight stop or slow down? Maybe. It could definitely slow down food and other goods around the country. Be interesting to see what happens. What say you?

 Quoting: The Chef


Considering all that is going on in the world right now to screw the economy more than it already is...
If the unions want to take responsibility for throwing the USA into a FULL BLOWN DEPRESSION...let them GO FOR IT!!!

...and they WILL see the political wrath of PRIVATE USA CITIZENS like you have NEVER IMAGINED OR SEEN BEFORE.


GO FOR IT UNIONS!!!! 5a

DO IT!!!!
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bumpbump
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Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen are supporting the Teamsters.

[link to www.ble-t.org]

Before any of you weenies make a fool of yourself and say something stupid like railroads don't matter, do a little research on just exactly how much and what kind of freight moves by rail in the U.S.

Hint: You will not have any electricity when the coal stops moving.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896


Good, fire them too. National security reasons.

They lose all their Government Railroad retirement also.

Fuck them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923


Just because you are getting fucked in the ass by your employer doesn't mean everybody should.

You could organize the first deep fryer cooks of america chapter at that McDonalds where you work.

But no, you whine instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896

Firing your sorry ass is whining.

Nice try zippy the union scrub.
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I said I wanted fries with that, child.
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Chef, dear, you need to do a bit more investigation! What is happening in Wisconsin IS NOT an attack on ALL unions! It has to do with the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and the union which represents them. All he is telling them is that the State is BROKE, and all the prancing around, vitriol, and sign-waving is not going to change that fact.

Having been a member of a State union, I can tell you that they approach any negotiation in an antagonistic way, demanding this, that, and the other thing or they'll strike. That used to work, but now THERE IS NO MORE MONEY!! The Governor is merely asking them to provide a single-digit percentage contribution to their OWN health-care (which is now free) and to their OWN retirement funds. He is not trying to wipe them out; rather, he is trying to come up with a way that EVERYONE can keep their jobs! If they are UNWILLING to do the right thing to keep ALL of their colleagues working, then he will have no choice other than to lay off teachers.

What this really boils down to is that the UNION is worried that their billion-dollar gravy-train is now in danger of getting side-tracked. They see the writing on the wall, that if they "lose ground" in Wisconsin, they will be set to lose ground in the other 49 states which also, co-incidentally, are BROKE. So they are desperately whipping up their membership, creating chaos and turmoil so no one has the time or inclination to say "Wait a minute, maybe we need to take a fresh look at the role of unions in the modern world. Maybe we need to ask why, if these people are PUBLIC employees, are the taxpayers (their "employers" who are paying for their salaries and benefits) being put into the "pigeonhole" of the big, fat, greedy "boss" whenever there are contract negotiations?"
 Quoting: anonymous coward 1257777


EXACTLY.
Government employees who are payed with peoples' tax dollars should NOT be in a union.

The teachers get their salary, free health care and free pensions.

The union gets even more.

The people can't afford to pay for their OWN health care and retirrement LET ALONE the health care and retirement along with the salaries of these teachers.


Now TEAMSTERS, is a WHOLE different story.
They are NOT paid for with tax dollars.

That's a HUGE difference.
And teamsters pay for their own health care and their own pensions.
It's WAY WAY different than the teacher thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781996


5a

Sorry Scoobydo time for a reality check. Teamster employers in the private sector contribute toward their health care and pensions as well as education etc.. Perhaps you need to do some research.

As for your contention that tax dollars are the peoples money that only holds true in as much as the people deliver it to a central authority. By this delivery they relinquish control of it to their elected representatives. Similarly in the private realm my clients pay for the services my company renders. They surrender payment to me and I make the decisions as to what is done with it not them! The only difference is in the private sector they can vote so to speak by going elsewhere whereas in the public sector we have to wait for elections.
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Maybe this will be the start of the second civil war in this country. This government has taken my job, my 401K, my house is next, and now they want to tax me to death. Reagan broke all the private unions in the 80's, he should have included the municipalities unions also.. How can you bargain when all the states along with the government is broke. I'm suppose to pay more in taxes so you union guys can draw six figure salaries in retirement. I don't think so.
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Good, fire them too. National security reasons.

They lose all their Government Railroad retirement also.

Fuck them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923


Just because you are getting fucked in the ass by your employer doesn't mean everybody should.

You could organize the first deep fryer cooks of america chapter at that McDonalds where you work.

But no, you whine instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896

Firing your sorry ass is whining.

Nice try zippy the union scrub.
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I said I wanted fries with that, child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896

Retired zippy, I would come out of retirement to serve you some fries though, in the food line after you're fired.

I would even laugh in your face, all for free. Looking forward to it.
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Just because you are getting fucked in the ass by your employer doesn't mean everybody should.

You could organize the first deep fryer cooks of america chapter at that McDonalds where you work.

But no, you whine instead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896

Firing your sorry ass is whining.

Nice try zippy the union scrub.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923

I said I wanted fries with that, child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271896

Retired zippy, I would come out of retirement to serve you some fries though, in the food line after you're fired.

I would even laugh in your face, all for free. Looking forward to it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1268923


You're not retired. You're a loser punk that gets $.50 a post to talk shit. You act suspiciously like shnook airlines. Loser
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Union people are the most greedy, lazy whiny fuckers I have ever seen in my life. I have seen them destroy companies and their own jobs. I have fought the teamsters and won. I have seen them destroy airlines. They are stupid dumbass fat pussies manipulated by a few. I will fight those fuckers to my last breathe.

The government workers are the worst though. Think USSR....their ain't much difference. They will fuck over the majority to protect themselves. Bust em...bust em up good. Remember...the talking heads etc. on TV....are all part of a union.
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Government employees should not unionize. That is the toddler with his mitts in the cookie jar.

Private unions are great as long as they are not so greedy that they run their employers out of business.
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239815


Yes but here you have punk losers talking shit that they either heard from rush limbaugh or are being paid to post. To do the research required to have your understanding takes a lot of reading and for the punk losers that post shit here, that makes their lips tired in a hurry.
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239815


5a

Finally, someone else who gets it!
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239815


How does Honda of America produce cars in Ohio? No union, all employees are paid well, with retirement programs, and Health care available.

This is not GM, or Ford, who subsidize their union costs on the backs of brown persons south of the border.

Oh, and the cars may be better made.

Any of you union slugs have an answer for that?

Keep paying your middleman mafia, they will have you all unemployed soon.
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
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Excellent post!

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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239815


How does Honda of America produce cars in Ohio? No union, all employees are paid well, with retirement programs, and Health care available.

This is not GM, or Ford, who subsidize their union costs on the backs of brown persons south of the border.

Oh, and the cars may be better made.

Any of you union slugs have an answer for that?

Keep paying your middleman mafia, they will have you all unemployed soon.
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I have an answer for that. It is the fear of unionizing that keeps the unions out. Once the unions are gone, so goes the wages, benefits and worker safety.

Edit: I am not a union member and I have lost many a job opportunity to a union member. However, I realize what unions have done for me.

Last Edited by exStepfordian on 02/24/2011 08:28 PM
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The president of the local told me these things so they are not my opinion only what they have been told or what they think might happen.

Since I am not a Teamster I have no idea if this will or could happen or not.

The union did offer concessions to the governor everything he asked except the collective bargaining rights. With all the other states following so quickly you have to believe it is a strategy from a higher level.
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Of course it is! Look at who donates to the REPOS this is their payoff. Lower labor rates greater profits that's the name of the game. In my opinion anybody who works for a living and supports the REPOS is just plain stupid!
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or they are a paid shill but one way or the other stupid is right.
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The trend has been to reduce America to third world status.

Anyone that has been paying attention will see that this has been the plan all along.

They have been using in the past, and future popular movements by certain segments of the population to further their agenda.

I'm not against womens lib, or equal rights, but it benefited their goals in reducing wages and funneling power to the top, where it is now, where it takes two to "live the American dream of owning a home and having kids". It is very expensive, and the cheap stuff from China does not make up for it as any parent will tell you.

Then in the 70's we had both "dems and repubs" heavy on imports from Japan, which reduced the steel worker mills and Detroit slowly to ruins. Anyone against it was ostracized then as today.

Looking at a graph of wages from the 70's to today will show a decline in wages while productivity has gone up, funneling the wealth and power to the top.

Then we have a secret open border policy by both "dems and repubs" since it does the same thing it did with having more women in the workforce. Suppressing wages since there is more worker demand and not enough jobs.

Then they instituted policies to encourage outsourcing and offshoring among all American business, outside the country but mostly mega corporations, which has made us having to compete on the global scale with those making 2 dollars a day. Gee, what could the long term consequences be?

Now they want to take away social security, unions, pensions, and other protective programs and labeling them as socialist retroactively, since they are nothing new and just did not pop up out of nowhere from "Obama the Socialist" whom by the way is the butt buddy of the banksters on Wall Street as was Bush the Butt buddy of the Mega Corporations.

To test this theory, go after the pay of the presidential position, those in congress, no to insider trading, those on Wall Street, and those in the Mega Corporations, not the thousands of small business's that make up the majority of the jobs in this country and see what kind of backlash you will face.

Now this may be a conspiracy forum, but would you say it was a conspiracy if a company grew from collecting all the data possible about the market and thier potential clients and reacted accordingy? You would say there is no conspiracy but a successful entrepreneur.

The government along with those in bed with them, have more than just financial data, but psychological tactics well withing their means to do whatever they want. Why is this such a stretch?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1239815


Yes but here you have punk losers talking shit that they either heard from rush limbaugh or are being paid to post. To do the research required to have your understanding takes a lot of reading and for the punk losers that post shit here, that makes their lips tired in a hurry.
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The liberal and conservative newscasters serve a good purpose, in that they provide factual but a incomplete picture in order to rally their "team" like a good football game, to keep the people divided from the bigger picture.

Right now, it is about Unions and thats all they want you to see.

I work in the private sector, but that does not mean I do not see what is going on either. I know the unions get paid more than the private sector, but that is because they have been keeping up with inflation, but that is because it is easier to break down the private sector through policies well tried throughout time in order to break them as they have been doing.

With the unions they have to break contracts and its in your face with unions and no tiptoeing around it.



It makes me realize that people will do anything if led like sheep, and when the time comes to chip them, they will give excuses that it is for our safety, or so were not robbed by banksters or crooks etc.

Those on Wall Street and their crooked deals will serve a purpose in their plans eventually, but the top ones running things will not suffer

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