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Amen....Watcher I hope its soon hf
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Yeah! Me too!
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I am so glad this moment has come
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Not soon enough! But I understand we are waiting on a few late "arrivals" so I will be patient! :)
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does this dude you are talking about have a spaceship named the capricorn?
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that's the fake one, remember the bad guys first then the good guys... always
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does this dude you are talking about have a spaceship named the capricorn?
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that's the fake one, remember the bad guys first then the good guys... always
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That is the way of it in the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares but the Marriage of the Lamb and His Bride is a separate event.
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does this dude you are talking about have a spaceship named the capricorn?
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that's the fake one, remember the bad guys first then the good guys... always
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That is the way of it in the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares but the Marriage of the Lamb and His Bride is a separate event.
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Look closely at the account in Revelation, when John is first called up (before the first seals are even opened). Those around the Throne are given Gold Crowns which are also promised to the Bride of Christ (recall that the Bride lays their crowns at the feet of Jesus).

Now look at the multitude that are present right after the 6th seal is opened but before the 7th seal. This multitude is NOT given crowns but "palm branches". THESE are the multitude that came through the Great Tribulation but the "Bride" (with the Crowns) are present before the first seal is opened.
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Please note that I am deleting ANY posts that are not encouraging or that are demeaning to Christianity as a whole. If you don't like that, then I suggest you go find an atheist thread where you will be more welcome. Thanks.
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What happened to the SECRET RAPTURE part of the doctrine?

secretly coming and Christ being only visible to the righteous?

what did that get too tedious to find verses to twist as "proof"
it is in the scriptures?

so I guess since it "came" to someone during a possession experience in church in 1830's that those believers prior to 1830 were really lucky it didn't come to pass earlier... imagine the confusion.

"what do you mean you can't see Jesus. I can see Jesus..."

oh wait.

that's not part of the plan now.

right?
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the reason religion has been looked in the wrong light is because it has been misunderstood, people have done terrible things in the name of religion, and soon it will be stopped and those who have done wrong will be punished in accordance with their own sins, everything happens for a reason and all is happening like it has been fortold, soon people will know the truth :]
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Please note that I am deleting ANY posts that are not encouraging or that are demeaning to Christianity as a whole. If you don't like that, then I suggest you go find an atheist thread where you will be more welcome. Thanks.
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the truth doesn't care about "welcome" or comfort...
Forty Six & 2 are just ahead of me...

"A wise man changes his mind; a fool never will"
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I believe there could possibly be two rapture events. The first of the "Bride" and the second of the "elect". I believe, based on my interpretation of scripture, that the "Bride" will be taken while people are "eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage" (in other words, life is relatively normal) while the "elect" will be raptured before the 7th seal.
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To all,



I hope this finds you well and in good spirit.



One of the things I have noticed lately is that more and more souls are beginning to sense that we are fast approaching the end of time. The world has become a place where horrific events, disasters and war, sodomy and promiscuity are commonplace and accepted as “normal” ( [link to jahtruth.net] [1]). Many have noticed the ever-increasing violence, the lies that we are told to justify it, and the accelerating erosion of our freedom and morals.



With all of this comes a sense of hopelessness followed by fear. To combat these emotions, some are trying to turn to God for answers. Unfortunately, they seek God where He has told you (through the words of Christ-Jesus) that HE WILL NOT LISTEN TO YOU.



Please see more below from The King of kings' Bible—with the words of Christ in blue (you may also wish to refer to it yourself at [link to jahtruth.net] [2]):



Matthew

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.



Christ has also told you how He will treat those that choose to disregard His explicit instructions:



Matthew

7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven; ONLY he that doeth the Will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in That Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work inequity.
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a Rock (the Truth):



Unfortunately, very few choose to follow God’s clear message and they go to church looking for Him anyway. Sensing that we are nearing Judgment Day, they ask their false prophets who run the churches (despite being told by God not to do so) this all important question: How will we know when Christ returns to save us? The priests, pastors, imams, etc. respond that there will be no doubt when Christ returns because ALL will know and see Him as He told His disciples. Most of them quote the following verses from the scripture:

Matthew

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.



Revelation

1:7 Behold, he cometh with "Clouds"; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.



From these verses it should be clear that we will ALL see the Son of Man (Christ) coming in the “Clouds” to mark the joyous occasion of His return, correct? Then why are “ALL the tribes of the earth” mourning? Why do “all kindreds of the earth” wail because of Him?



The reason for the mourning and wailing is simple: at that moment, the whole world will know EXACTLY Who He is and why He is here. They will know that it is too late for them and that He has come to execute those who refuse to follow God’s Laws and live their lives by His example. This will happen AFTER the world has experienced the greatest tribulation and oppression it has ever seen.

Matthew

24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.



So why doesn’t everyone begin living by God’s Laws just like Christ did when He was here in the body of Jesus? Because most have been deceived by the false prophets into wrongly believing that they can do anything they like and God will forgive them, when Scripture clearly records that Christ says the opposite—they simply do not fear God as they should;



Matthew

10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.



Most are also either too afraid of what others think of them, or they are too lazy and cowardly to rebel against Satan’s beast system. They cannot understand the choice they are making. Why would anyone want to be cast in the Lake of Hell-Fire on The Last Day, when they have a choice?



To me, that is insane. Just as insane as skipping over all of the clear signs God has sent you to KNOW that Christ will be here again IN THE FLESH before the great and dreadful Day of The Lord. Please see for yourself that this is really the case. Please also realize why the churches (ALL organized religion) do not want you to know this. If you could “see” them for what they are, you would stop believing their lies and you would stop funding them. Hopefully you would then start following God and Christ as you should. The churches continue to lie to you so they can continue to steal from you. Please read God’s Word for yourself and SEE the difference.



Revelation

2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].



Revelation

3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.



Revelation

19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).



So why will Christ need a “New Name” upon His return/Second Coming? BECAUSE HE WILL BE IN A NEW BODY JUST AS GOD TOLD US HE WOULD. The Word will be made flesh again so that He can give all of us one last chance to follow God.

Revelation

12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - second coming).
12:5 And she brought forth a Man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His Throne.



We are even given a description of the spiritual appearance of the person who will be using the new body from the vision of John in the book of Revelation. Please note well that it is the spirit of Christ in this new body that has “the Keys of hell and of death”.



Revelation

1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] LIKE unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the breast with a golden breast-plate.
1:14 His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;
1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.
1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the First and the Last:
1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the Keys of hell and of death.



Christ is here to gather His sheep and teach them a “New Song”. Why would anyone not want to learn that New Song? God has also told us all that there will only be 144,000 redeemed from the Earth and that those few will be the souls who are willing to follow Christ anywhere at any cost. The churches teach you foolish virgins (Matt. 25:1-13) differently because you refuse to see them for what they are (Satan’s creation to keep you from God), but God could not make it any clearer than He has. Why then do you continue to place so many other things in your life above God? Do you not understand what is at stake (your eternal life) and what you must do?



Revelation

14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.

14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).



Christ is also here in the flesh to lead His followers in a final battle against Satan and the forces of evil. We have all heard of this battle and know it as Armageddon. We even know that this battle is a clear signal of the end of time. Please think this through and realize that the army that is with Him must be recruited and trained BEFORE this battle takes place. This will all have to happen in a world that Satan has twisted and turned completely upside-down so that virtually everything is the opposite of what it appears to be (just as it is today).



Please note well in Revelation 16:18-21 below what will happen to those who do not follow Christ/The Lamb and fight with God against Satan and his followers (who are the ultra-rich, and leaders of governments and all organized religions, and ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEM).



Revelation

17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

17:14 These shall make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.



Revelation

16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to The Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty.
16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called, in Hebrew, Armageddon (the mountains of Megiddo, in Israel).
16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.
16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great (Zech. 14:4)
16:19 And the Great City was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
16:20 And every island fled away, and the "mountains" were not found.
16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



These are but a few of the signs that God has given you to help you recognize His “Well-beloved” Son, who is our Lord and King—Christ. For more details of the upcoming apocalypse and how prophecy will be fulfilled, please visit the following link [link to jahtruth.net] [3] for a complete scripturally-based explanation. Please do not delay. If you believe that you have already been saved YOU ARE WRONG! Do not make the mistake that Satan wants you to make that you require no further training before you stand before God to be judged.



There are still others who feel that they will somehow be warned before that day so that they may avoid the evil that will befall them and their families despite God clearly telling them otherwise. Please review Revelation 16:15 above in addition to the two verses below to see if that still makes sense.



1 Thessalonians

5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.



2 Peter

3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



So, knowing that for most “the Day of The Lord will come as a thief in the night”, how will anyone know when He is here? For the answer, please see the story entitled “On The Way to Emmaus Again” @ [link to www.jahtruth.co.uk] [4] . In this story is a detailed explanation of the parable of the fig-tree and other vitally important information which foretells EXACTLY when and where the new body will be born that Christ will use in His second-coming, according to the scriptures.



Hopefully by now you have realized that the time to follow Christ is NOW, and you will cease believing the churches, and waiting until you see Him coming in the “Clouds” which will signal the destruction of, and that it is too late for, all those (both body and soul) who have chosen of their own freewill not to follow His example and learn the “New Song” by following God’s Laws and DOING God’s Will, while they had time to. Please consider carefully the choice you make. It is your eternal life that is on-the-line. Some other helpful signs God provided for us all are:



Psalms

68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to His name: extol Him that rideth upon the heavens by His name JAH, and rejoice before Him.



Malachi

4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH* the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):



*the prefix “Eli” means exalted, thus EliJAH = exalted JAH



If you have read this far, you must sense that we are at the end of time and you may be wondering what you should be doing to survive.

[link to jahtruth.net] [1]



For those of you in search of The Truth, please read the following “little book” from Revelation 10 for yourself entitled “The Way home or face The Fire”, by JAH. It can be found FOR FREE @



[link to jahtruth.net] [5]



Or if you prefer, you may order a hard copy of it by following the instructions at the link below:



[link to jahtruth.net] [6]



Time is running out for you to decide who and what you will believe. For your sake I hope you will choose God and Christ rather than Satan and his world leaders and false prophets.



LLTK, LLTF, HBFK,

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So do you worship Mary McDonald, or Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ said noting of a "rapture" event? In fact he states plainly that there will be some of his elect that are beheaded during the tribulation. If there is a rapture, how are some of his elect beheaded?

Just ask if you need help understanding the bible. Anybody who believes in the rapture obviously does not understand prophecy nor scripture.
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There will be many who will realize they were left behind and renew their faith in Jesus Christ. THOSE, I believe, are the "Elect" spoken of during the Tribulation period.

According to Luke 21:36, there will be some that are accounted worthy to "ESCAPE" ALL those things that are coming on the earth. Jesus HIMSELF said that and I intend to comfort myself with these words all the while preparing to endure for as long as it takes.

You need to brush up on your scripture reading before you offer your "biblical services". ;)
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Actually I have a 2 year degree in Theology and speak fluent Hebrew and can read Greek quite well. It is you who needs to "brush up".

Casting pearls among the swine is a shortcoming of mine.

Like I mentioned before if you want to know the truth...just ask.
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What happened to the SECRET RAPTURE part of the doctrine?

secretly coming and Christ being only visible to the righteous?

what did that get too tedious to find verses to twist as "proof"
it is in the scriptures?

so I guess since it "came" to someone during a possession experience in church in 1830's that those believers prior to 1830 were really lucky it didn't come to pass earlier... imagine the confusion.

"what do you mean you can't see Jesus. I can see Jesus..."

oh wait.

that's not part of the plan now.

right?
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In one event, Jesus says He will come as lightening flashes from the East to the West. In another instance, He describes His coming as being seen by all. I believe this further supports the theory of two raptures.
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So do you worship Mary McDonald, or Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ said noting of a "rapture" event? In fact he states plainly that there will be some of his elect that are beheaded during the tribulation. If there is a rapture, how are some of his elect beheaded?

Just ask if you need help understanding the bible. Anybody who believes in the rapture obviously does not understand prophecy nor scripture.
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There will be many who will realize they were left behind and renew their faith in Jesus Christ. THOSE, I believe, are the "Elect" spoken of during the Tribulation period.

According to Luke 21:36, there will be some that are accounted worthy to "ESCAPE" ALL those things that are coming on the earth. Jesus HIMSELF said that and I intend to comfort myself with these words all the while preparing to endure for as long as it takes.

You need to brush up on your scripture reading before you offer your "biblical services". ;)
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Actually I have a 2 year degree in Theology and speak fluent Hebrew and can read Greek quite well. It is you who needs to "brush up".

Casting pearls among the swine is a shortcoming of mine.

Like I mentioned before if you want to know the truth...just ask.
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I am leary of ANYONE throwing a theology degree around. I bet your favorite bible version is the NIV, too. Am I right?

I have a law degree but I don't go throwing that around to prove I am smart, I would prefer you leave your "degrees" as well as your pride at the door. No one is here to judge or be self-righteous. We are here to encourage one another. If I want a self-righteous sermon from a theologian, I would have stayed in the institutionalized churches. I prefer a relationship with Jesus Christ and I will get my TRUTH from Him, not you. But thanks.
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In one event, Jesus says He will come as lightening flashes from the East to the West. In another instance, He describes His coming as being seen by all. I believe this further supports the theory of two raptures.
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Since when does lightning go from east to west? The Greek term there is more aptly translated "light" in general. So, what light do we all know that moves from east to west? The sun of course, per Malachi 4. In this manner, it's likely a gradual process for every eye to come to "see Him" - only those awake at dawn see the sun arise, but over time, it becomes evident to all.

Or just stick with whatever King James had them write. The original words don't matter.

rolleyes
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my friends, you should not dwell upon who said what and where things are going to happen at what time, what you should be more focused on is how you are going to live out the rest of your time here on earth, for it will be short, in contrast to the life you will lead in heaven
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my friends, you should not dwell upon who said what and where things are going to happen at what time, what you should be more focused on is how you are going to live out the rest of your time here on earth, for it will be short, in contrast to the life you will lead in heaven
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:fake_yo:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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my friends, you should not dwell upon who said what and where things are going to happen at what time, what you should be more focused on is how you are going to live out the rest of your time here on earth, for it will be short, in contrast to the life you will lead in heaven
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I agree. It is fun trying to figure it out, though.

"It is the Glory of God to conceal a matter, but the honor of Kings to search a matter out." Proverbs 25:2
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agreed, humans in nature have a curiosty for things that are obscure, just know that all is happening just as it should
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there is no rapture, and Sabrina is lying.

Jesus will come back, but not to rapture his people out before the tribulation; why would we want to leave?
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There is no Pre or Mid Trib rapture.

Agree with Turmoil, why IF you are Born-Again and Preserved against all evil, as Jesus Witnesses in John 17:15; why would the great tribulation concern you in the slightest?

God has not assembled HIS Very Elect to suffer or lose anything to an enemy whom Christ Jesus Defeated at Calvary.

For the very elect's sake, the days will be shortened.


All the carnal-hearted Christians fear.
They fear because they have not surrendered their lives Unto The Father.
Because they are not surrendered, and therefore not yet Born-Again, they are on their own.
The Carnal-heart tries to define by its own rationalization and conjecture everything in Scripture and everything they claim God to be and do. Yet, the heart of their situation is they are alienated.

Not Born-Again per Ezekiel 36?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Then you are alienated from God and on your own.

The rapture myth is bullshit.
God did not rapture Noah, Shadrach Mishach, Abednago, Daniel, or anyone else who was ever HIS. HE Protected and Delivered them. Jesus' Witness in John 17 is all you need Know to rely on. But, if you're Born-Again, you Know...

The witness of the carnal-hearted convicts them outright and plainly.

Matt 7 and Luke 13 are more worrisome than any tribulation or death.... "Depart from me you who work iniquity; I Know you Not!" You claim HIM and think you are Of-HIM and Born-Again; but God either Knows you or HE Doesn't...

Can't write the carnal-hearted bullshit that watcher and others post here continually and give any pretense of being Born-Again.

Matt 24:21-24 is Jesus' Witness of the deception and delusion that will affect all Christians; even "were it possible, the very elect".

It is not possible to deceive or alienate HIS Very Elect.
Those who haven't given their lives up Unto The Father are fully manifesting at this time the delusion and deceptions of these Final Days...
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there is no rapture, and Sabrina is lying.

Jesus will come back, but not to rapture his people out before the tribulation; why would we want to leave?
 Quoting: TURMOIL


There is no Pre or Mid Trib rapture.

Agree with Turmoil, why IF you are Born-Again and Preserved against all evil, as Jesus Witnesses in John 17:15; why would the great tribulation concern you in the slightest?

God has not assembled HIS Very Elect to suffer or lose anything to an enemy whom Christ Jesus Defeated at Calvary.

For the very elect's sake, the days will be shortened.


All the carnal-hearted Christians fear.
They fear because they have not surrendered their lives Unto The Father.
Because they are not surrendered, and therefore not yet Born-Again, they are on their own.
The Carnal-heart tries to define by its own rationalization and conjecture everything in Scripture and everything they claim God to be and do. Yet, the heart of their situation is they are alienated.

Not Born-Again per Ezekiel 36?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Then you are alienated from God and on your own.

The rapture myth is bullshit.
God did not rapture Noah, Shadrach Mishach, Abednago, Daniel, or anyone else who was ever HIS. HE Protected and Delivered them. Jesus' Witness in John 17 is all you need Know to rely on. But, if you're Born-Again, you Know...

The witness of the carnal-hearted convicts them outright and plainly.

Matt 7 and Luke 13 are more worrisome than any tribulation or death.... "Depart from me you who work iniquity; I Know you Not!" You claim HIM and think you are Of-HIM and Born-Again; but God either Knows you or HE Doesn't...

Can't write the carnal-hearted bullshit that watcher and others post here continually and give any pretense of being Born-Again.

Matt 24:21-24 is Jesus' Witness of the deception and delusion that will affect all Christians; even "were it possible, the very elect".

It is not possible to deceive or alienate HIS Very Elect.
Those who haven't given their lives up Unto The Father are fully manifesting at this time the delusion and deceptions of these Final Days...
 Quoting: Lester, NLI 1275593


There is no fear in our discussions of a rapture. But the Bible says this will be a time unlike any other and we are to comfort ourselves with the reminder of Jesus' soon return. Read 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 if you need any further proof that you are wrong in this regard.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (King James Version)

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Not fear, just fact. Want further proof, read Luke 21:36 (below in my signature). It says some will ESCAPE ALL that is to come. Our job is pray that we be found worthy to escape, which I do, and I hope you do too (when you are done judging who is and who is not "born-again", that it chuckle )
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lol, i love religion debates XD

no one ever wants to listen to the truth, you all are wrong, yet, everyone is right, religion has been misunderstood by years of distortion
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lol, i love religion debates XD

no one ever wants to listen to the truth, you all are wrong, yet, everyone is right, religion has been misunderstood by years of distortion
 Quoting: jeezuhs


Thank you! I just tolerate DNA for the "bumps" and because, deep down, I know he's interested! :)
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But the Bible says this will be a time unlike any other
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I gather you're referring to Matt 24:21. . ."For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"?

What convinces you that this tribulation He's talking about has not already occurred?
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But the Bible says this will be a time unlike any other
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I gather you're referring to Matt 24:21. . ."For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"?

What convinces you that this tribulation He's talking about has not already occurred?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273532


Are you suggesting that the Book of Revelation has already come to pass? Otherwise, what does "nor ever shall be" mean if it has already taken place?
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lol, i love religion debates XD

no one ever wants to listen to the truth, you all are wrong, yet, everyone is right, religion has been misunderstood by years of distortion
 Quoting: jeezuhs


Thank you! I just tolerate DNA for the "bumps" and because, deep down, I know he's interested! :)
 Quoting: ^Watcher^


in a way, every one is interested, how could one live without severe depression thinking after death there is nothing, of course i know for a fact that there is more than just nothing, but still, i find it interesting to know what other people think

i still know the truth :]
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what does "nor ever shall be" mean if it has already taken place?
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It. . .means that "things wouldn't ever be quite that bad again", yes?
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So do you worship Mary McDonald, or Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ said noting of a "rapture" event? In fact he states plainly that there will be some of his elect that are beheaded during the tribulation. If there is a rapture, how are some of his elect beheaded?

Just ask if you need help understanding the bible. Anybody who believes in the rapture obviously does not understand prophecy nor scripture.
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There will be many who will realize they were left behind and renew their faith in Jesus Christ. THOSE, I believe, are the "Elect" spoken of during the Tribulation period.

According to Luke 21:36, there will be some that are accounted worthy to "ESCAPE" ALL those things that are coming on the earth. Jesus HIMSELF said that and I intend to comfort myself with these words all the while preparing to endure for as long as it takes.

You need to brush up on your scripture reading before you offer your "biblical services". ;)
 Quoting: ^Watcher^


Actually I have a 2 year degree in Theology and speak fluent Hebrew and can read Greek quite well. It is you who needs to "brush up".

Casting pearls among the swine is a shortcoming of mine.

Like I mentioned before if you want to know the truth...just ask.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274370


I am leary of ANYONE throwing a theology degree around. I bet your favorite bible version is the NIV, too. Am I right?

I have a law degree but I don't go throwing that around to prove I am smart, I would prefer you leave your "degrees" as well as your pride at the door. No one is here to judge or be self-righteous. We are here to encourage one another. If I want a self-righteous sermon from a theologian, I would have stayed in the institutionalized churches. I prefer a relationship with Jesus Christ and I will get my TRUTH from Him, not you. But thanks.
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So, in other words you need to be taught the truth? That's what I am reading. You write as though are intelligent. But, by making this thread you offer claims to some hidden Bible knowledge regarding a planned escape from the test the Jesus himself asks us to prepare for. Point being; one's ability to form sentences has very little to do with legitimate Biblical comprehension.

For you I will only offer a portion of one chapter of one book. That is all that will be required in order to completely eviscerate the Satanic "Rapture" doctrine.

Matthew 24

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it[d] is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,[e] but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour[f] your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ [g] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Read the Bold and understand that within proper context these terms are very straight forward.

Key points:

After the Tribulation He will gather together His Elect and it will be as in the days of Noah. People will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the flood TOOK them away. What happened to those who were taken by the flood exactly. They died. Likewise Satan (as the thief in the night) will take one of the Men in the field and one of the Women at the Mill. Then Jesus takes it a step further and amplifies his point about a thief coming to take his Elect.

In other words the "Rapture" IS part of the plan. Unfortunately those who believe in it are on the wrong side. Satan IS the thief in the night.

This one chapter reveals the entire Satanic plan to create the apostasy.

You are working for the deception, working for Satan and are assisting the enemy to gather as many of the lost souls as he can.

You are in danger of committing the unforgivable sin.

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