Muslims want Shariah to supersede the Constitution - TN is saying aint happening (LIVE Topic Chat NOW in VC)

I could see Sharia law taking over, but I don't think it will be real soon. But in a few generations, if Muslims are having lots of children, while we abort ours, then there will be more Muslims. Then most people I know have about one or two kids and then get the tubes tied or a vasectomy or birth control. But I don't they do that in Islam, they have as many babies as Allah gives them. A woman may have many many babies and I don't think they use any birth control methods. So eventually it stands to reason that there will be more of them and they will get into politics and slowly implement their own laws. One day there may be a great majority of Muslims here. Then the United States will be taken over without a war really.
It will happen slowly so people may not notice until it is getting too late.

I am a woman so I have more to lose. I would lose a job and I am not married. An unmarried woman is not even to leave the house unescorted. How would I do anything at all if I am not married? I guess I would have to rely on some male member of my family to help me care for myself. I don't know anyone who would help me. Most everyone in my family has their own troubles to worry about. I'd be left to starve in my own home I guess.

I don't know how a country can opperate without women in the workforce. Any large country that is sucessful is going to have to employ women for something, at least as teachers, nurses, caregivers or something. I don't think in Islam a woman is even allowed to demonstrate that she can read.

A woman is supposed to be totally Dependant on a man for everything, and is not supposed to demonstrate that she understands anything other than how to run a household and pop out babies.

I don't plan to survive if the country goes that way though. I would not convert to Islam and they would have to cut off my head. I would have to die because I could not survive in their world anyway.

I understand that a woman is just as smart as a man biologically and can learn and understand a great deal, just as any man can. But in Islam, I suppose a mentally handicapped or uneducated man is better than the smartest rocket scientist woman, simply because he happens to be a man.

I also can not image wearing a burka everywhere. I dress modestly and conservatively compared to many women, but I am more comfortable in pants than in a dress. I am overweight, but not obese, but I think pants are more flattering to my figure.

Also, I love to read and I ask many questions. I could never pretend that I understood nothing more than how pop out babies, cook and clean.

I have never been a servant or slave to any man, and I would not even know how to begin. So death would be preferable, I believe.

In some ways I can respect Islam. Praying daily, there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with not drinking or dressing modestly. I don't want to fully veil myself. If a man can not look at a woman's bare face and arms, a bit of her ankle, without wanting to rape her on the spot, then he is the one who needs help.
There is nothing wrong with many of the pillars of Islam.

But when it gets into wanting to kill others who do not have the same faith, I have to disagree. I don't like that some people have another religion, but I hope I can live next door to anyone and agree to disagree. As long as they don't come to me and want to cut off my head, I think I could have Muslims living next door to me. I would live in my own house and yard and not bother them at all. If I saw a stranger in their yard or their house burning down, I would help them.
If there was a tornado in our neighborhood, I would help them. I don't wish death on anyone. But if they wish death on me, I would have to defend myself if threatened.

There are perhaps other Muslims that feel like I do, and I hope they continue to feel this way. I hope they can just agree to let "the infidel" live.

But there are some who believe that Allah or their prophet or Mahdi can not and will not come back until the last infidel is slain or converts. Don't they realize how hard this would be to impliment? There are always going to be "The infidel" some place on the Earth. Not everyone is going to fully agree with them. Even those who claim to convert may only be playing at it, and in their hearts they are not Muslim. Just as there are people who claim to be Christians, but really are not, and don't believe what they say they believe.

There are some Muslims who I think understand that "the infidel" will always be with them. They believe that after the Mahdi comes everyone will convert. So what good is it to war with the infidel, why not just let us exist and tolerate us? Allow Christans to be. If we are wrong and you are right, or if we are right and you are wrong, we will see in the end anyway.

I believe Jesus is coming back. You believe Mahdi is coming back. Jews believe a Messiah is coming back. We all believe in he who is to come. Only one of us can be right perhaps. But the antichrist will deceive all three of our religions. So we have to beware. But in the end, after the deceiver, then we will see who was right. Until then, why can't we just live in peace with each other?

I have a feeling I will what you find on most of these sites. Some examples of actual Muslim extremists carrying out violent acts, and then paranoia multiplied by 1 million with involved conspiracy theories that have no evidence. Stories that only through the ramblings of a schizophrenic mind could connect to the original story posted.

Glenn Beck does it best. Socialists support the right of Muslims to have freedom of religion in this country. That means of course they must be working with them to implement Sharia Law, as it says in the Koran? Do I need evidence... well what more evidence do I need?

Or how about how everyone was so scared of the Muslim Brotherhood taking power in Egypt? Well, if you actually look at facts (love facts), they only have about 10% of the support of the population. They didn't call for the protests, but only joined in on the third or fourth day after they couldn't afford not to join. Not to mention more than one video of guys from the Brotherhood trying to start chants for Allah, and being ignored or drowned out by protesters chanting against Mubarak and for democracy. Do you deny that this is what happened? I am sure you have another reason why you think the Muslim Brotherhood will take control of Egypt.

Well said.

Since there was an encore...

I'm not talking about the Muslims in the story.

I'm pointing out the JUDGE.

Really, you're the xenophobe by thinking I'm going off on the Muslims. You should stop stereotyping so much, you lose all credibility that way.

Not right wing

There exists no one on the left who would believe this nonsense. That's because religious intolerance largely exists on the right. Like people who believe that we shouldn't even allow Mosques to be built here. People that claim to love the constitution yet don't believe in freedom of religion.

Sorry, misread of your posting. They cannot and will not change the Constitution, I think their case is that aspects of Shariah law have standing already. As far as contracts and covenants go, I would agree, however, enforcement for criminal acts with an actual victim or damage to property would come under US jurisdiction, no matter if the victim or criminal was Muslim or not.

If they are trying to get the power to actually carry out beatings, executions or whatever under their Shariah rules, its not going to happen.

From what I read, that is not what they are seeking, and if it is not, its not going to happen.

Besides that, Criminal Gangs in the US already enforce their own laws, including executions, if the Muslims think they have some kind of religious right to do that, they are dead wrong, and they should be held accountable.

My issue is I think the US Government agents are not held to the same standard as everyone else when it comes to such crimes. Police violence and murder under the 'color of authority' is an example. Or the fraud carried out every day via the Federal Reserve (most likely Jewish people hiding behind usury exceptions from the Talmud).

I want EVERYONE held to that lawful standard, and I mean EVERYONE, no matter their 'religion' or even where they are on this earth.

Right, over-abuse of smiley is a crime... punishable by ban!

Interesting video
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I also love how it says "support free speech" on the side of the site, but you'd be the first one to say the Muslims should be watched by the FBI and not allowed to speak freely in their mosques amongst each other. You'd be the first one to take away their rights to worship wherever they want. If it came down to it, we would be on opposite ends of the fight. I would do anything to see that freedom of religion (which is tied to freedom of speech) be preserved in this country.

Last Edited by WS7117 on 03/02/2011 01:43 PM

R u a black man?

Even so... both right, as you may be... certain rights cannot be afforded for foreigners of any nation when in our own. Let us protect US as WE see appropriate and each nation do the same according to their appropriations. Not come to our Nation, and adapt our belief to your home nation. No.

I would like to see women and children able to sit with their father or husband in their mosques. I would like to see women clergy in the muslim faith in the U S.

I'm just going to leave with saying that I pray that you all will wake up and stop this nonsense. This is what delegitimizes the truth movement. I feel sorry for you guys who think that Sharia Law is really coming to America. It is very sad. I sincerely hope that you will change your ways.

No... it's the same principle as if George Washington defeated Britain, only to allow Britain to come here and force us to elect a king to be recognized as a seperate leader. Nothing to do with religion, everything to do with the principle. They wanted to continue to recognize their king, they do it over there. Simple. You want to make it complex, you want it to be about supression, it is not. You are the undoing of our nation, people just like you. Pat yourself on the back. Nice and hard.

Bloomberg hopes to grow sharia finance with new Islamic platform
Posted on February 21, 2011 by creeping
No doubt this is part of the reason why NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg has been working behind the scenes to help build the Ground Zero mosque despite massive opposition. via FT.com / Media – Bloomberg extends Islamic service.
Bloomberg will on Monday launch an Islamic finance platform, sharpening the expansionist financial information company’s emerging markets strategy and providing a vote of confidence for a sharia-compliant market that has seen growth slow.
The service, available on more than 300,000 Bloom­berg Professional terminals, includes news and data covering more than 1,500 Islamic bond issues, 35,000 stocks and 500 funds, as well as a database of sharia scholars and their fatwa endorsements.
“This is a reflection of our belief in the future of the market and the region.”
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First...ALL muslims watched by the FBI=YOU ARE BEING VERY PRESUMPTIOUS AGAIN.

Second...Speak freely amongst each other while in their mosques=why should Muslims get special treatments, Christians are no longer aloud to talk bad about gays (not that I agree or disagree but the point is that Christians cannot say anything that is "hateful" why do you think Muslims should be treated differently?)

Thirdly...I was given a choice as a child on what religion (if any) I wanted to follow and was also given information on different religions (from those religions teachers). I believe everyone has a right to believe however they wish.

Fourthly...You are correct. If it came down to any people oppressing my so-called people, I would fight for "my" people rights, after all, I was raised we have inheret rights as humans.

Again, you're posting hosts many assumptions and based on our conversation I would think you more the xenophobe if that label had to be attached to one of us.

Funny how all of these sites proclaiming that the Muslims want to start Sharia law in the US originate in Houston.

I smell some

Well, good luck. They'd prefer you saw little American children with black veils over their faces, heads, and bodies. They'd prefer to rape, mutilate, and torture little American girls for defying thier laws. If you want to help them, tell them to write a letter to their mosque. Tell them to stop giving their husbands sex or food. That's how we do it over here. Don't let me sit where I want, treat me bad, you're ass won't eat. Tell them to do it. Don't expect us to do it. I'm tired of fixing their stupid ass MILLION YEAR LONG problems. Let them go on and fix them, but us adapt... hell no!

Maybe Houston is more fed up than the rest of the country. Been there lately?

This is SUCH a horse-shit distraction.

LOOK OVER THERE ASSHOLES!! (WHILE WE SEARCH YOUR WOMENS BREASTS AT THE AIRPORT AND SELL OFF YOUR PUBLIC WORKS AND KILL YOUR LABOR GROUPS AND SHOOT OLD INDIAN WOODCARVERS.)

The sites are SUPPOSEDLY of muslim origination.

Try being a white man and saying "HI" to a FANATICAL MUSLIM.

The Southern Baptist Convention adheres to the belief that the Bible denounces homosexuality, therefore it is sinful. They believe that sexual preference is a choice, and that homosexual people can eventually overcome their homosexuality to become chaste. Despite the fact that the SBC sees homosexuality as a sin, they do not classify it as an unforgivable sin.
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Even easier, don't say anything. Go into the gas station and just stand there and watch for oh.. say... 4 or 5 minutes. Just watch them, the body language. The song... Am I Evil always sneaks into the back of my head. Even as I smile, in my all-American way, I know. Oh... don't you think for one second I don't know ~!

Why are we talking about homo-sexuals? Why are you even addressing that? Why? Just tell me why! Has to be a smart answer. Promise I'll come back later and see. Think about what you are saying first. Must do. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO YOUR BENDING OVER FOR! Pull! HARD!

Try being a redneck saying "Hi!" to a black man! That sucks too....

Can't we all just get along???!!!

I am talking about in The U S. If they live here they have the same rights as all women and children.

Yes, that's their stand. They are no longer allowed to preach about it, though.

And Southern Baptist believe a sin is a sin...no sin is worse than the other. So they can preach agains playing cards, dancing (they're not so strict anymore on these things), alcohol, adultry, and lying, but cannot preach about "a/the" sin of homosexuality. If they do, they have some repruccusions.

Just wanted to respond, but don't want to take the thread off track...just an FYI

I know black men and rednecks that work together, coach their kids together, and grieve together. Live side by side. Share the same belief in this country as our forefathers. No matter that they may have had to fight for their rights, they never wanted to make another Africa. They wanted to make an America, for freedom for their future children's children. Chances are, they believe much the same and neither AMERICAN man wants to sabotage our beliefs or values by adding to our Constitution. The same would not be said for anyone found standing out front of the local mosque. Lets have our Sunday School classes take religious trips to their local mosque for church this month. Lets see how welcome they are in their dresses and shoes with taps. Bows and ties. Lets see. Think they'll be offered milk and cookies? Your local redneck and local black man are closer than you think or give credit. When the bottom drops out, one will fight for the other! MAKE NO MISTAKE!