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HEBREW AND GREEK WORDS IN THE BIBLE MISTRANSLATED TO MEAN HELL

 
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It's like reading a goddamn Watchtower around here lately.
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True.

But the no hell torture doctrine is about the ONLY one the JWs got right..the rest of what they teach is utter crap.
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It's like reading a goddamn Watchtower around here lately.
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they are right about no burning hell. some other denominations are slowly coming around to this fact.
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Then explain this:

Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:44 where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

The greek word for "hell" is this context is "Gehenna" which was a literal place in the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem.

It represents the worst possible combination of filth, dead bodies, decay, etc. Roughly translated into English is the equivalent term "hell".

The Analytical Greek Lexicon, Zondervan Publishing, 1976.
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speaking of jehovah's witnesses, here is a thread by DGN who i think is one. his threads are very interesting. this is a good one about hell.

Thread: Hell, a place of punishment or, safe keeping until the resurrection?
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The greek word for "hell" is this context is "Gehenna" which was a literal place in the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem.

It represents the worst possible combination of filth, dead bodies, decay, etc. Roughly translated into English is the equivalent term "hell".
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113553


Still asking about this, I guess? Gehenna was never "a Greek word for hell" - it was the name of a landfill. It's like telling someone they'll become fish food or wind up on a milk carton. There's no implication about one's afterlife.

Centuries after the Greek text was first recorded, English translators decided "Hmm, this must mean Hell" and changed it because they thought that's what God meant.
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The greek word for "hell" is this context is "Gehenna" which was a literal place in the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem.

It represents the worst possible combination of filth, dead bodies, decay, etc. Roughly translated into English is the equivalent term "hell".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113553


Still asking about this, I guess? Gehenna was never "a Greek word for hell" - it was the name of a landfill. It's like telling someone they'll become fish food or wind up on a milk carton. There's no implication about one's afterlife.

Centuries after the Greek text was first recorded, English translators decided "Hmm, this must mean Hell" and changed it because they thought that's what God meant.
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good point
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It's like reading a goddamn Watchtower around here lately.
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lmao
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First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 2Peter3:3

All of your threads in a nutshell.

Last Edited by TXGal4Truth on 04/21/2011 01:46 AM
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 2Peter3:4
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

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But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 2 Peter3:5
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

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This is 100% correct Hell is a place in Israel here on Earth the Valley of the Son of Hinnom which was Gehenna.
It was a place outside the city walls of Jerusalem where Pagans who rejected Judaism lived.
The Jews used it as a rubbish dump and people who could not afford or didn't deserve a burial like criminals or bad people were simply thrown over the wall into "Hell".
Which had fires burning because of all the rubbish and this is how they got the "Burn in Hell" part.
Also the Pagans believed in Cremation and the Jews didn't so cremation signified burning in Hell once again.
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That is the description of gehenna which is one of the five words mistranslated into Hell, yes
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First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 2Peter3:3

All of your threads in a nutshell.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yeah, no. This thread is about the need for accurate translations from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. They changed a couple of key words, and it's changed the message drastically. Correcting centuries of church-sponsored pagan-fabricated bullshit is pretty important.
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First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 2Peter3:3

All of your threads in a nutshell.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yeah, no. This thread is about the need for accurate translations from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. They changed a couple of key words, and it's changed the message drastically. Correcting centuries of church-sponsored pagan-fabricated bullshit is pretty important.
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Then perhaps OP should read more carefully before he goes blabbing BS.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.” ~Isaac Newton
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

:tgdmwt:
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He's not blabbing BS. . .he's presenting truth that was swept under the rug back in a back room hundreds of years ago. The early christian fathers believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. Only when Rome took over did this view suddenly become "heresy", and Hellfire became the Church's favorite place. Universal reconciliation is not some "new" thing. It's just unfamiliar to mainstream believers due to Religion's monopoly, now in a state of decay.
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Thank you again Sir. Kalin!!!! You provide yet another opportunity to post a series of clip that rebuts your incorrect post.

Anyone looking to watch all of the clips can go to youtube.com and watch it there...



....and whatever you do, DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK... no... don't do it... STOP!!!! I warned you....

[link to www.youtube.com]
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He's not blabbing BS. . .he's presenting truth that was swept under the rug back in a back room hundreds of years ago. The early christian fathers believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. Only when Rome took over did this view suddenly become "heresy", and Hellfire became the Church's favorite place. Universal reconciliation is not some "new" thing. It's just unfamiliar to mainstream believers due to Religion's monopoly, now in a state of decay.
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Ditto hf
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He's not blabbing BS. . .he's presenting truth that was swept under the rug back in a back room hundreds of years ago. The early christian fathers believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. Only when Rome took over did this view suddenly become "heresy", and Hellfire became the Church's favorite place. Universal reconciliation is not some "new" thing. It's just unfamiliar to mainstream believers due to Religion's monopoly, now in a state of decay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337996


Fact or opinion?
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.” ~Isaac Newton
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

:tgdmwt:
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First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 2Peter3:3

All of your threads in a nutshell.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yeah, no. This thread is about the need for accurate translations from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. They changed a couple of key words, and it's changed the message drastically. Correcting centuries of church-sponsored pagan-fabricated bullshit is pretty important.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337996


Then perhaps OP should read more carefully before he goes blabbing BS.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth

TexasGal

What about anything is it that I have said is BS?

Absolutely NOTHING,

you cannot directly ever come up with anything to refute anything I ever post or say

So stop spouting your backhanded BS and stfu



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No God of mine condemns men, this is whorrible.
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He's not blabbing BS. . .he's presenting truth that was swept under the rug back in a back room hundreds of years ago. The early christian fathers believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. Only when Rome took over did this view suddenly become "heresy", and Hellfire became the Church's favorite place. Universal reconciliation is not some "new" thing. It's just unfamiliar to mainstream believers due to Religion's monopoly, now in a state of decay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337996


Fact or opinion?
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


For starters, Augustine is the one who fell in love with Hell and proceeded to become its biggest advocate. Yet even is quoted as admitting that "There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments".

Elsewhere, we have excerpts from a 19th century book by a J.W. Hansen asserting "universalism" as a widespread doctrine in the early church:

[link to flyinabove.bloghi.com]

We were not there, however, so we're having to go by what documentation we can find.
Word is that Augustine was *the* doctrinal champion of Hellfire, a belief he came into from studying the Latin-translated scriptures instead of the original Greek.
The introduction of Latin into the mix caused some serious problems. . .this is why our KJV translates the Greek word aion ("an age") as both "ever" and "world", terms which convey completely different meanings , distorting our understanding of what God is trying to convey.

History does essentally bear out that the church's corporate behavior usually corresponds with its belief in an afterlife of eternal damnation. The Dark Ages are stained with accounts of torture and burning of "heretics" for "offenses" as slight as refusing to swear loyalty to the Pope, even for just owning a bible. This coincides with the dominance of Roman Catholicism. They had no problem tormenting "sinners" because they fully believed God would eventually do exactly the same - they only copied their "god".

Meanwhile, Universalism received a lot of airtime in the 1800s. It was also during this era (which I've read is history's era of the Philadlphia church in Revelation 3) that some of the great missionary programs were begun, in an effort to spread the gospel - not the threats of everlasting destruction.

Origen, Didymus and Greg of Nyssa are notable early scholars whose teachings include the eventual reconciliaton of all.
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Ooohhh...

WTF now people believe it??
I've been saying the fucking bible and any other religion has been MISTRANSLATEED over the fucking 2000 years.

What a stupid bunch of brain dead wankers you all are!
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Ooohhh...

WTF now people believe it??
I've been saying the fucking bible and any other religion has been MISTRANSLATEED over the fucking 2000 years.

What a stupid bunch of brain dead wankers you all are!
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Be patient - we'll catch up in time:)
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Here's a translation for you....

It's clear that you and everyone else who agrees with you are obviously very happy about this concept.

It essentially means "I can do whatever I want, and there is no punishment for my behavior." You are wrong.

It is very clear how things end, and latching on to some "new age" alternative is not going to change anything. You are only a human being. You do NOT control the fate of the world--only the fate of your own soul.


The following are other threads started by the original posters of this thread. His/her/its/their agenda is painfully clear. This isn't mere "curiosity and interest" in religious matters. He/she/it/they are set on discrediting the Christianity-based beliefs of others.

Why Christianity OP? What is so threatening to you?......




OP threads:
IF the Holey-Babble were really True...

Holey-Babble Story Study - King David's Amazing Census!

How come The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God Never Tell Christians...

The Holey-Babble is BullShit - but why did so many personal prophecies come true???

The Holy Babble - Interesting Article By Tony Malone

Concept of ORIGINAL SIN Does NOT Hold Water! ~

The True Authorship of the New Testament - The Roman Piso Family

Brief Bible Blunders ~ Episode 15
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I am a Christian and now know there is no hell. Fearmongering. All these false Christians are showing their true colors wanting people who speak the truth to burn in hell. Sorry guys, ain't happening. How do u like more and more people waking up? Lol
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Here's a translation for you....

It's clear that you and everyone else who agrees with you are obviously very happy about this concept.

It essentially means "I can do whatever I want, and there is no punishment for my behavior." You are wrong.

It is very clear how things end, and latching on to some "new age" alternative is not going to change anything. You are only a human being. You do NOT control the fate of the world--only the fate of your own soul.


The following are other threads started by the original posters of this thread. His/her/its/their agenda is painfully clear. This isn't mere "curiosity and interest" in religious matters. He/she/it/they are set on discrediting the Christianity-based beliefs of others.

Why Christianity OP? What is so threatening to you?......




OP threads:
IF the Holey-Babble were really True...

Holey-Babble Story Study - King David's Amazing Census!

How come The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God Never Tell Christians...

The Holey-Babble is BullShit - but why did so many personal prophecies come true???

The Holy Babble - Interesting Article By Tony Malone

Concept of ORIGINAL SIN Does NOT Hold Water! ~

The True Authorship of the New Testament - The Roman Piso Family

Brief Bible Blunders ~ Episode 15

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1098949


"If the god of the Jews, Christians and Muslim's is "known by his fruit", what fruit does this false god produce?

Just look at the world and who is killing who. The answer will become clear.

Then ask: who is the REAL deceiver?"

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- "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal
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I am a Christian and now know there is no hell. Fearmongering. All these false Christians are showing their true colors wanting people who speak the truth to burn in hell. Sorry guys, ain't happening. How do u like more and more people waking up? Lol
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Thank you very much for speaking up and letting others know!~


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What's funny is most of these Christians don't even know their own bible. Hell is a mis translation. Refute this with facts. U can't :-)
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So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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What's funny is most of these Christians don't even know their own bible. Hell is a mis translation. Refute this with facts. U can't :-)
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sherlock
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
************************************
“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.” ~Isaac Newton
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

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