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HEBREW AND GREEK WORDS IN THE BIBLE MISTRANSLATED TO MEAN HELL

 
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I am a Christian and now know there is no hell. Fearmongering. All these false Christians are showing their true colors wanting people who speak the truth to burn in hell. Sorry guys, ain't happening. How do u like more and more people waking up? Lol
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Religion is bullshit! It's all lies and tale telling to control people. Stop believing in any ancient BOOK, and just believe in GOD! He is within ALL of us! Religion is CREATED!

Seriously i hope people would finally open the freaking eyes and see it!!

We are SPIRITS! If people don't believe this even if your christian or any other religion nut, then you MUST believe we CANNOT go to heaven! Our body is either burned or burried! So our soul/spirit moves on.

Heaven is the same as the Astral Plain/Field! You only feel bliss, happyness and truth there! Same as in heaven! Now it shows there is NO HELL!!

Seriously people wake up.
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Then explain this:

Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:44 where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

The greek word for "hell" is this context is "Gehenna" which was a literal place in the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem.

It represents the worst possible combination of filth, dead bodies, decay, etc. Roughly translated into English is the equivalent term "hell".

The Analytical Greek Lexicon, Zondervan Publishing, 1976.
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A relative perspective formed around your own thoughts and wishes - and frankly, early learning and conditioning.

"HELL" does not fit the form of Greek word as we now have become to know it in the bible - with regards to its representation originally. PERIOD. To many people have proven on GLP and other sources this fact. Hell does not exist in the current bible if it was correctly translated from the source. At least as we know it now.

This is like saying and accepting banana is a fig. Why? because!

Provide a true reference of Hell in either Greek or Latin from the original source that comprises The Bible.

Lets not forget that Charlemagne called all of his people of many to consider what we now know as "The Bible". He and they considered what books would be Cannonized (officially included in The Bible). 24 years over this period.. did they not edit it at all? Woman not being Preists, to begin your quest for thought...? 24 years, "they" decided what was "IN" the Bible and what was not. They were only human.. right?
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Here's a translation for you....

It's clear that you and everyone else who agrees with you are obviously very happy about this concept.

It essentially means "I can do whatever I want, and there is no punishment for my behavior." You are wrong.
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Well, no - scripture is clear that we reap what we sow. Jesus said we'll each receive due for our deeds, per the eye-for-an-eye and tooth-for-a-tooth guidelines in the Law.
Sin is foolishness, and we need to outgrow it. An afterlife of ndless hellfire for finite offenses isn't justice; it's overkill. Even we fallen huamns try to halfway fit the sentence to the crime, yes?

It is very clear how things end, and latching on to some "new age" alternative is not going to change anything. You are only a human being. You do NOT control the fate of the world--only the fate of your own soul.
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This is just what I've been pointing out the past hour - it isn't some new doctrine-of-the-week, pulled out of thin air by deceivers or whatever. . .it was standard in the early days of the church.

The myths of an afterlife of torture and misery for the wicked were around in various flavors long before the God of Israel. These beliefs were widespread in the pagan world. And then our God comes along, befriends Abram and gives Israel His counsel and His laws, but mentions *nothing* about any alleged fate of endless torment. Search the old testament - it's simply not there. And then, against His command, His people adopt the corrupt ways of the neighboring cultures, and end up incorporating the ancient fairy tales of hellfire into their beliefs. He warned them about this in Deuteronomy 12, saying "don't become like the heathen nations, who *burn* their sons and daughters for their gods, which is an abomination".
Since then the legend of Hell has snowballed into a humongous idol that few in the church dare to examine. But when we do, we'll find that it's unscriptural and that it entirely contradicts the nature of a Person who would humble Himself to nothing and literally die for His enemies.
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He's not blabbing BS. . .he's presenting truth that was swept under the rug back in a back room hundreds of years ago. The early christian fathers believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. Only when Rome took over did this view suddenly become "heresy", and Hellfire became the Church's favorite place. Universal reconciliation is not some "new" thing. It's just unfamiliar to mainstream believers due to Religion's monopoly, now in a state of decay.
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Fact or opinion?
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Actually TXGal, 20 years ago, before all this became such an issue, I investigated this matter myself when I felt that some things just didn't add up! What the OP has presented is pretty much what I myself had found out by doing a bit of digging! Long stem
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Although Hell as it is taught by many of the Christian faiths is not entirely accurate, don't think that this means that you won't have to answer for your actions! We ALL will reap what we sow!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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"There is not a single word in any of the original Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts of the Bible that means hell, a place of everlasting punishment for unbelievers."


This IS actually GOOD NEWS!

There is NO such thing as HELL!

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Hell is to come in the end when the earth and all sin are burned up before God creates a new earth. All sin will be gone forever.

Rev.21:1,4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.......And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

This video covers the events really well..
Final Events
[link to www.youtube.com]

As for the three different words all translated as "hell", keep in mind eary 1611 english people would say "helling the peotoes" as helling meant to bury. There are many words today with more than one use, like "closet". And there are many other biblical words with more than one use. They each have to be read in context. Hell is often taught wrong today as this is rejected.
[link to www.helltruth.com]
Jesus told us what and when hell is in Matthew 13:24-43, plain as day. The rest of scripture does not contradict. There are a few symbolic passages in Revelation which seem to but do not once this is understood.
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The martyr Tyndale, referring to the state of the dead, declared: "I confess openly, that I am not persuaded that they be already in the full glory that Christ is in, or the elect angels of God are in. Neither is it any article of my faith; for if it were so, I see not but then the preaching of the resurrection of the flesh were a thing in vain."--William Tyndale, Preface to New Testament (ed. 1534). Reprinted in British Reformers--Tindal, Frith, Barnes, page 349.


Martin Luther and William Tyndale on the State of the Dead circa 1520 this was understood. The state of the dead is a doctrine that has been lost by most of the church.
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There are three different Greek words that are translated as “Hell” in our English New Testaments. It’s important to know this, for they each mean something different. They are “Tartarus,” “Gehenna,” and “Hades”:

1) “Tartarus” means “a place of darkness or restraint” (2 Peter 2:4). Satan abides there now.

2) “Hades” means “the grave” (Acts 2:31; 1 Corinthians 15:55; Revelation 20:14). Jesus Christ’s body rested there, and His saints rest there now awaiting the resurrection.

3) “Gehenna” means a place of fire, brimstone, and punishment (see Matthew 5:22, 29, 30, described in Matthew 13:40-42, 2 Peter 3:7, 10-12). These flames are yet future, at the end of the world.
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"If the god of the Jews, Christians and Muslim's is "known by his fruit", what fruit does this false god produce?

Just look at the world and who is killing who. The answer will become clear.

Then ask: who is the REAL deceiver?"

 Quoting: Sir.Kalin


I don't think I need to point out the fact that you didn't answer my question--it's obvious. You avoided it. What is so specifically offensive to you about Christianity? It is the ONLY religion you attack.

I visited the link you posted. The one who's ideas you are hanging on. The following link is their "argument" against the possibility of a hell:
[link to www.godsplanforall.com]
While they post some bible verses, it is mere speculation on their part. They provide NO PROOF whatsoever to backup their claims. Just simple, widely common human interpretation.

I would suggest looking here before continuing with your discussion:

[link to www.godandscience.org]
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The "fire" God has for us is not some body of literal fire, or the sun, or anything other than what scripture defines the symbol of "fire" as:

"Our God is a consuming fire" - Hebrews 12 (an echo of Deuteronomy 4:24)

"Is not My word like fire?" - Jeremiah 23

He makes "His ministers a flame of fire" - Hebrews 1 (also Psalm 104)

fiery trials = sharing in the sufferings of Christ - 1 Peter 4

Israel's captivity in Egypt = "an iron furnace" - Deuteronomy 4:20



He uses "fire" to purify us. The only thing that it burns up is the old, corrupt nature and its debris. . .


Fire will expose and test each person's works. . ."if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames" - 1 Corinthians 3

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged". . .Proverbs 16

"The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The desire of the wicked will perish" - Psalm 112

"For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die" - Deuteronomy 5

The process of "fire" leaves us in ashes. . .a scriptural symbol of humility.


Mankind is full of people who live after the dictates of their senses and instincts. . .for many, their "god" is their belly. To exist as a mere bodily self - eating, mating, and dominating others - makes us little more than an animal (the "beast"). The remedy is "execution", as illustrated in the burnt offerings of the old testament, which point toward our death sentence on the cross. The enthroned lower nature must be put to death by metaphorical fire.

God has invested too much in all this to just torch us and close the file.
There comes a day when undergoing the purification process is no longer optional and the time arrives to move forward and stop being primates.
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3) “Gehenna” means a place of fire, brimstone, and punishment (see Matthew 5:22, 29, 30, described in Matthew 13:40-42, 2 Peter 3:7, 10-12). These flames are yet future, at the end of the world.
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Gehenna was an actual place that the people hearing Jesus were familiar with - it was the landfill outside of Jerusalem. With fire and maggots, it was a place to discard garbage and carcasses, including those of criminals who were denied a lawful burial. He was warning the people of the coming judgment of the city at the hands of the Romans, which took place circa 70AD. The temple was destroyed, the city trashed, and the bodies of its inhabitants cremated. In fact most of the "doom" mentioned in the New Testament was aimed at this particular event. The Kingdom was taken from the Levitical priesthood and given to a "lesser" people to administer.
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ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confusion. spalms 115 and spalms 135 thier IDOLS are FALSE cant speak can't hear cant smell and those that make them shall become like them. Jeremiah 10 they nail their IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move can'...t speak can’t move must be carried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men.john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to them they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on their own authority what will you do when your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be the son of man.‎1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internally and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM their WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifiable
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might also want to read Gehenna and Tophet valley of the dead or also called valley of SLAUGHTER Jeremiah 19. Counsel of Jerusalem and Judea made NULL en void. Oh one more thing you might want to see name attached GOD.
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"If the god of the Jews, Christians and Muslim's is "known by his fruit", what fruit does this false god produce?

Just look at the world and who is killing who. The answer will become clear.

Then ask: who is the REAL deceiver?"

 Quoting: Sir.Kalin


I don't think I need to point out the fact that you didn't answer my question--it's obvious. You avoided it. What is so specifically offensive to you about Christianity? It is the ONLY religion you attack.

I visited the link you posted. The one who's ideas you are hanging on. The following link is their "argument" against the possibility of a hell:
[link to www.godsplanforall.com]
While they post some bible verses, it is mere speculation on their part. They provide NO PROOF whatsoever to backup their claims. Just simple, widely common human interpretation.

I would suggest looking here before continuing with your discussion:

[link to www.godandscience.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1098949

It appears that you did not even read the article I posted which clearly addresses what the exact problem is, however there are numerous other evidences too besides!

This is NOT the only place or time I have addressed this topic.

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sorry op, but i am intent on hammering you.

God is love, and he loves all of his creation equally. doesnt matter if its angels or men.

rev.22:8-9, Now i, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Then he said to me, "See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your bretheren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.

2 pet. 2:4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved untill judgement.

a prision for angels

located under the earth

a place of confinment for the angels untill the judgement. rev.20:11-15, jude 6

a place visited by Jesus when he went to hell. ps. 16:10, 1 pet. 3:19

a place of darkness

a place of eternal fire

a place of vengence

jude 6-7

these are the angels who left their heavenly habitation to persue lustful relationships with women. they are in hell/tartarus.

actually the whole chapter of 2 peter, 2 is noteworthy.

lets examine hell a little closer.

rev. 19:20, Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he decieved those who recieved the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast ALIVE into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

rev. 20:10, And the devil, who decieved them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet ARE. And THEY will be tormented forever and ever.

lets examine these two verses, remember, these two verses are actually separated by a 1000 plus years..... they are alive, in physical/mortal flesh. now look at the second verse, satan is thrown where the beast and false prophet ARE, not WERE. and THEY will be tormented forever, they is plural, meaning more than one. another thing, forever is another term for eternal.

feel good christianity is really trying to persuade people away from their faith. seems like a sign to me.

Galatians 1:6-9, I marvel that you are turning away so soon from him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As I have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches anyother gospel to you than what you have recieved, let him be accursed.

i myself am all for a friendly debate, i think it is wonderful to discuss Gods word, it makes you examine yourself, find the faults and then make adjustments to become a better follower of Jesus. however, one must figure out the fine lines between stressing a point and preaching a teaching.
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You have pointed that far too many verses in the Bible that do tell of a place of eternal separation from God that ALL men and women are headed to, UNLESS they rely on the finished work of Christ on the cross for their salvation. We are/were all headed there, but Yeshua stepped into time and opened the door of salvation, himself, for any that would hear his voice and walk through.....
....and whatever you do, DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK... no... don't do it... STOP!!!! I warned you....

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sorry op, but i am intent on hammering you.

God is love, and he loves all of his creation equally. doesnt matter if its angels or men.

rev.22:8-9, Now i, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Then he said to me, "See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your bretheren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.

2 pet. 2:4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved untill judgement.

a prision for angels

located under the earth

a place of confinment for the angels untill the judgement. rev.20:11-15, jude 6

a place visited by Jesus when he went to hell. ps. 16:10, 1 pet. 3:19

a place of darkness

a place of eternal fire

a place of vengence

jude 6-7

these are the angels who left their heavenly habitation to persue lustful relationships with women. they are in hell/tartarus.

actually the whole chapter of 2 peter, 2 is noteworthy.

lets examine hell a little closer.

rev. 19:20, Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he decieved those who recieved the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast ALIVE into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

rev. 20:10, And the devil, who decieved them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet ARE. And THEY will be tormented forever and ever.

lets examine these two verses, remember, these two verses are actually separated by a 1000 plus years..... they are alive, in physical/mortal flesh. now look at the second verse, satan is thrown where the beast and false prophet ARE, not WERE. and THEY will be tormented forever, they is plural, meaning more than one. another thing, forever is another term for eternal.

feel good christianity is really trying to persuade people away from their faith. seems like a sign to me.

Galatians 1:6-9, I marvel that you are turning away so soon from him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As I have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches anyother gospel to you than what you have recieved, let him be accursed.

i myself am all for a friendly debate, i think it is wonderful to discuss Gods word, it makes you examine yourself, find the faults and then make adjustments to become a better follower of Jesus. however, one must figure out the fine lines between stressing a point and preaching a teaching.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


You have pointed that far too many verses in the Bible that do tell of a place of eternal separation from God that ALL men and women are headed to, UNLESS they rely on the finished work of Christ on the cross for their salvation. We are/were all headed there, but Yeshua stepped into time and opened the door of salvation, himself, for any that would hear his voice and walk through.....
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I did not post that! You apparently did not even read my original article posting either!~

Because your definitely NOT addressing IT!

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tartarus= earths atmosphere, what better place to punish the fallen ones that to strip them of their power and make them wallow in the mess they made. In Jeremiah G>D plainly states that humans thought up burning people.

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Does the Bible give an example of what Eternal Fire judgement is? Yes it does and it is clear that it is an example


Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

Jude 1:7
Nothing survives if God punishes it (or them) with eternal fire, to think that it will be forever and you will still survive despite being Judged by eternal fire is really stupid.
Just ask Sodom and Gomorrha, oh wait you can't, because they have received eternal fire judgment and no longer exist. Nor will they ever exist again
It is eternal extinction. There you have it direct from the Bible. This is from the Bible and should end the stupid idea of eternal burning. Gods eternal fire consumes totally.
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Does the Bible give an example of what Eternal Fire judgement is? Yes it does and it is clear that it is an example


Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

Jude 1:7
Nothing survives if God punishes it (or them) with eternal fire, to think that it will be forever and you will still survive despite being Judged by eternal fire is really stupid.
Just ask Sodom and Gomorrha, oh wait you can't, because they have received eternal fire judgment and no longer exist. Nor will they ever exist again
It is eternal extinction. There you have it direct from the Bible. This is from the Bible and should end the stupid idea of eternal burning. Gods eternal fire consumes totally.
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Very Interesting! I am pondering it now, lmao

If true then that only seems to help to confirm my original article posting here and that Hell is a mistranslated word and in-fact does NOT really exist!

And introduce another entirely different and new possibility....hmmm I am pondering still

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this life is as close to the idea of hell as I ever intend to get

run by satanists since the beginning with the lot of them in cahoots with the world religions, also from the beginning

a true Christian won't be found supporting ANY of the world religious institutions

guarantee you this

the Elect would know better than to tithe in such places whereby they are held complicit for the false teachings being spread with their offerings

that's as bad as working for satan right up front even tho it's an error of stupidity


Very insightful IMHO. Thanks.
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Does the Bible give an example of what Eternal Fire judgement is? Yes it does and it is clear that it is an example


Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

Jude 1:7
Nothing survives if God punishes it (or them) with eternal fire, to think that it will be forever and you will still survive despite being Judged by eternal fire is really stupid.
Just ask Sodom and Gomorrha, oh wait you can't, because they have received eternal fire judgment and no longer exist. Nor will they ever exist again
It is eternal extinction. There you have it direct from the Bible. This is from the Bible and should end the stupid idea of eternal burning. Gods eternal fire consumes totally.
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I'm calling BS, because Ezekiel 16 speaks of Sodom being restored hf

Psalm 90: Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men
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I could understand now what he said ,


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05/14/2011 07:08 PM
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it means the same thing now as it meant then.

its jail.

or prison.

believe me, right about now...prison is hell and everyone in it is a demon.
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05/14/2011 08:33 PM
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A Blemish and a Stain

5/6/11 From The Lord, Our God and Savior - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear - Regarding a Request for Funds for an Evangelist Meeting in India


Thus says The Lord:
I have nourished and brought up many children... Yet the nourishment of men I despise, and the doctrines of men I do hate...

Therefore, concerning fellowship among the teachers: It is well and good in My eyes. Yet the doctrines of the churches of this world have crept into every corner. Whether near or far, the doctrine of hell and eternal torment is spoken of widely among My people... This doctrine, of which I loathe with a passion and detest in My zeal. For by it is the name of The Lord polluted, and the glory of My majesty covered over with lies and darkness.
It is a loathsome spot on every garment worn in the name of truth, a detestable wrinkle upon the tapestry of glory... A horrible, interwoven thread. This doctrine is evil, and I will not tolerate it to any degree, for I am The Lord, The Light in which there can be no darkness!... For I shall destroy it utterly, in the day My glory is revealed!

Therefore, if you assemble, then this doctrine must be opposed by those of the truth, those who believe and know it is I who has spoken to this generation, even as it was I who had spoken in all times past to the men of Israel, even as it is this day among those whom I have chosen, of whom I am known... All veils removed from the faces of My messengers.

Therefore, My servants shall contribute no more to this cause, nor shall continued aid be given for this meeting... For it is and has been My will from the beginning, that all which My little flock gives is to be used for My cause, in the declaration of the Gospel in My name, spreading forth the knowledge of Messiah’s passion from village to village before I gather... And that the tithes and offerings of My people aid the poor and the needy, and feed and clothe the little ones, of whom I love.

Therefore let those who have received, pray... And use what I have given them wisely, in fulfilling My just cause. I am The Lord.


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You know what? You need to stfu

and stay the hell off and out of all my threads with your SPAMMING IRRELEVANT BULLstir

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this life is as close to the idea of hell as I ever intend to get

run by satanists since the beginning with the lot of them in cahoots with the world religions, also from the beginning

a true Christian won't be found supporting ANY of the world religious institutions

guarantee you this

the Elect would know better than to tithe in such places whereby they are held complicit for the false teachings being spread with their offerings

that's as bad as working for satan right up front even tho it's an error of stupidity


Very insightful IMHO. Thanks.
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There is no such thing as a "True xtian"

the whole concept of it all is a complete LIE and

Fraudulent in the first-place!~

Why do you think the jews do NOT recognize Jesus as

their Messiah?

Because many of them already know that their conception

of xtianity is nothing

but a complete LIE, SHAM and FRAUDULENT HOAX on all

you gentiles! (goyim)

In the first place!~



Last Edited by Lord.Kayle on 05/31/2011 11:13 PM
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- "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal
Sir.Kalin (OP)

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TrumpetBlast I've told you already

to stop SPAMMING this thread with your page fulls

of BULLstir

Address the topic of the thread in your own words

or you will be reported.


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- "Your best investment is ammo, because it's going to weird quickly." - AC 1196210

- "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal
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06/02/2011 03:46 PM
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"There is not a single word in any of the original Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts of the Bible that means hell, a place of everlasting punishment for unbelievers."


This IS actually GOOD NEWS!

There is NO such thing as HELL!

5a
 Quoting: Sir.Kalin

Figured it out already

But endless suffering refers to souls endlessly reincarnating in the same physical form because they have not learnt their lesson to progress higher

It's like repeating the third grade forever, that would be HELL
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"There is not a single word in any of the original Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts of the Bible that means hell, a place of everlasting punishment for unbelievers."


This IS actually GOOD NEWS!

There is NO such thing as HELL!

5a
 Quoting: Sir.Kalin

Figured it out already

But endless suffering refers to souls endlessly reincarnating in the same physical form because they have not learnt their lesson to progress higher

It's like repeating the third grade forever, that would be HELL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1393262


spock
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- "Your best investment is ammo, because it's going to weird quickly." - AC 1196210

- "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal
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That could very well be what is going

to happen to/with a-lot of xtians

having been lied to and duped into believing the lies

they were tricked with/by


They got them suckered into staying dormant and remaining

stagnant and unable to progress and grow spiritually

through fear(s), threats and intimidation.


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- "Your best investment is ammo, because it's going to weird quickly." - AC 1196210

- "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal

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