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Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"

 
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Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf(Ka'b was a poet,Mo hated poets) who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"

Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?"

The Prophet said, "Yes."


Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)."

The Prophet said, "You may say it.
" [...]

When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf.

Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Numbers 15:32-36

32. When the children of Israel were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day.
33. Those who found him gathering wood presented him before Moses and Aaron and before the entire congregation.
34. They put him under guard, since it was not specified what was to be done to him.
35. The Lord said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; the entire congregation shall pelt him with stones outside the camp.
36. So the entire congregation took him outside the camp, and they pelted him to death with stones, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Word of God incarnate.
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Uqba bin Abu Muayt was another poet who "slandered" Mo & allah

He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. "But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish. "Hell," retorted the prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba’s neck.

Bukhari, vol. 4, no. 2934; Muslim, vol. 3, nos. 4422, 4424; Ibn Ishaq, p. 308 / 458.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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By deception shall thy make war.
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"I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies." (Hadith)
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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By deception shall thy make war.
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Which prophet of God said that?
rolleyes
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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Numbers 15:32-36

32. When the children of Israel were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day.
33. Those who found him gathering wood presented him before Moses and Aaron and before the entire congregation.
34. They put him under guard, since it was not specified what was to be done to him.
35. The Lord said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; the entire congregation shall pelt him with stones outside the camp.
36. So the entire congregation took him outside the camp, and they pelted him to death with stones, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the Word of God incarnate.
 Quoting: CallMeEpicIfIFail

lol Ah! moral equivalency. The Law was given to a specific group at a certain time...

They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

If you want to compare the words of Jesus with Muhammad,I'd be happy to oblige you
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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and Yahweh destroyed cities flooded the world turned people to salt eye for an eye all kinds of genocides all that crazy crap man OP you crazy synagoug of satan.
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lol Ah! moral equivalency. The Law was given to a specific group at a certain time...
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lmao

Right.
I didn't say anything.
Continue to prove something for another religion that works miraculously like your own.

peace
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By deception shall thy make war.
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Which prophet of God said that?
rolleyes
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


He thinks its the motto of the MOSSAD..urban legend,but someone did say something similar

"Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N268
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and Yahweh destroyed cities flooded the world turned people to salt eye for an eye all kinds of genocides all that crazy crap man OP you crazy synagoug of satan.
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The "Synagogue of Satan" -- What Is It?

Now read Revelation 2:9. "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Notice, this is a SYNAGOGUE of Satan. A synagogue is merely the Hebrew word for church. Then Jesus is not speaking of a RACE, but of a CHURCH that belongs to the devil!

This church claims that they are spiritually Jews. Why? Because Jesus said, "Salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22). "To the Jew first, then also to the Greek" (Rom. 1:16).

"He is a Jew," says Paul, "which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God" (Rom. 2:29).

In Romans 11:16-27 Paul explains that Israel and the Jews, to whom salvation belonged, were broken off because of unbelief.

Gentiles were grafted in their place. But once grafted in, they were no longer Gentiles -- "BEING IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh" (Eph. 2:11). Now they were all one in Christ Jesus, "no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints" (Eph. 2:19).

So here was a church made up of Gentiles, claiming salvation, claiming to be Jews inwardly, masquerading as a "Christian" church, yet the very tool of Satan himself!

This synagogue of Satan is the great apostate church which developed after 70 A.D. and ultimately became recognized as the State Religion of the Roman Empire. That Church has had many Protestant daughters which are also Satan's churches (Rev. 17).
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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lol Ah! moral equivalency. The Law was given to a specific group at a certain time...
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lmao

Right.
I didn't say anything.
Continue to prove something for another religion that works miraculously like your own.

peace
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So,I guess we don't want to compare Muhammad's words to Jesus? :)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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If you want to compare the words of Jesus with Muhammad, I'd be happy to oblige you
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Wouldn't Muslims be on the same page with you when it comes to valuing one Prophet against the other?

They say Muhammad is the "seal" but they don't compare him to any of the other guys.

At least not to my knowledge. 1dunno1
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in the words of Eddie Murphy...

i dont want no muhakkanin on my bread...




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Jesus Christ is God.
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More poets..Mo seems to have had a problem with them

Asma bint Marwan was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. When the Allah-inspired prophet heard what she had said, he asked, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?" A member of her husband’s tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

Ibn Ishaq, pp. 675-76 / 995-96.
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Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf(Ka'b was a poet,Mo hated poets) who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"

Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?"

The Prophet said, "Yes."


Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)."

The Prophet said, "You may say it.
" [...]

When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf.

Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
 Quoting: mathetes


Did you know that your savior in the end times comes on a white horse and our Antichrist comes on a white horse. Here is another fun fact our Antichrist will stand on the north end of the temple mount and say he is god your dome of the rock is on the north end of the temple mount. Mohammed was not spoken to by Gabriel but he was spoken to by Satan pretending to be Gabriel. You can only be forgiven your sins by killing for Allah or being killed for Allah . Allah is Satan even you Aramaic symbol for Allah mirrors our symbol for the mark of the beast. Evil begets evil and that is what awaits all Muslims when the true and only Messiah Jesus

Christ returns. Convert to Christianity , your family may murder you but it's better than hell

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A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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I must say that islam was the easiest for me to dismiss, when studying the religions of abraham...

The savage blood cultiness really shines through in islam, although it is still very prevalent in judaism and xtianity...

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Forty Six & 2 are just ahead of me...

"A wise man changes his mind; a fool never will"
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Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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If you want to compare the words of Jesus with Muhammad, I'd be happy to oblige you
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Wouldn't Muslims be on the same page with you when it comes to valuing one Prophet against the other?

They say Muhammad is the "seal" but they don't compare him to any of the other guys.

At least not to my knowledge. 1dunno1
 Quoting: CallMeEpicIfIFail


Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't Muhammad considered the seal of all the prophets ie the greatest

Isn't Muhammad considered the perfect example of how to talk & live?

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Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Was that his nine year old bride
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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If you want to compare the words of Jesus with Muhammad, I'd be happy to oblige you
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Wouldn't Muslims be on the same page with you when it comes to valuing one Prophet against the other?

They say Muhammad is the "seal" but they don't compare him to any of the other guys.

At least not to my knowledge. 1dunno1
 Quoting: CallMeEpicIfIFail


Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't Muhammad considered the seal of all the prophets ie the greatest

Isn't Muhammad considered the perfect example of how to talk & live?
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Yeah Mohammed is a seal the sixth seal which goes with the sixth trump and the sixth vial and they represent his boss Satan.
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Was that his nine year old bride
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Nope. The 9 year old was A'isha.
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Isn't Muhammad considered the perfect example of how to talk & live?
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That's what they say, yes. But as you know Muslim's believe that every prophet was a Muslim and their respective believing followers were Muslims as well and hence you would have to ask the Imam how to interpret the metaphoric meaning of the word seal. If he tells you straight up that Muhammad is the "best" of these prophets or the only one to follow then I stand corrected immediately.

The point is that the large majority of Muslims doesn't even care about such details within their religion. You'd be surprised what many of them REALLY know if you asked the questions or raise the topics like you do here on GLP.

Try it. ^^
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Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Was that his nine year old bride
 Quoting: Godsontoo


Nope. The 9 year old was A'isha.
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Thanks I dont think this guy is a real muzzy he doesn't have enough passion when you point out the blasphemous pates of his cult.
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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Isn't Muhammad considered the perfect example of how to talk & live?
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That's what they say, yes. But as you know Muslim's believe that every prophet was a Muslim and their respective believing followers were Muslims as well and hence you would have to ask the Imam how to interpret the metaphoric meaning of the word seal. If he tells you straight up that Muhammad is the "best" of these prophets or the only one to follow then I stand corrected immediately.

The point is that the large majority of Muslims doesn't even care about such details within their religion. You'd be surprised what many of them REALLY know if you asked the questions or raise the topics like you do here on GLP.

Try it. ^^
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mathetes (OP)

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Re: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"
Isn't Muhammad considered the perfect example of how to talk & live?
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That's what they say, yes. But as you know Muslim's believe that every prophet was a Muslim and their respective believing followers were Muslims as well and hence you would have to ask the Imam how to interpret the metaphoric meaning of the word seal. If he tells you straight up that Muhammad is the "best" of these prophets or the only one to follow then I stand corrected immediately.

The point is that the large majority of Muslims doesn't even care about such details within their religion. You'd be surprised what many of them REALLY know if you asked the questions or raise the topics like you do here on GLP.

Try it. ^^
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Believe it or not,I have many Muslim friends,granted most are non-religious. And I agree with you that most Muslims don't care,but there are many who do and many who follow Mo's example.

Shahbaz Bhatti knew his days were numbered and he knew why - because of his outspoken criticism of Pakistan's controversial blasphemy laws, and his calls for reform.

Under the statutes, anyone found guilty of insulting Islam can be sentenced to death. Convictions can be based on no more than hearsay.

His cause was shared by Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, who paid with his life in January when he was assassinated by one of his own bodyguards.

Shahbaz Bhatti was gun downed just the other day...but maybe Pakistan just misunderstands Islam, a lot of that going around nowadays

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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Re: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"
Uqba bin Abu Muayt was another poet who "slandered" Mo & allah

He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. "But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish. "Hell," retorted the prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba’s neck.

Bukhari, vol. 4, no. 2934; Muslim, vol. 3, nos. 4422, 4424; Ibn Ishaq, p. 308 / 458.
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If I was there, than I well doing so, I do not never like Christians, who are devoid his great prophet Jesus to the Jews to crucify him ...

why you do not mention this event happened through war he didn't took him from her house and kill him he coming from macca to the city of prophet to kill him and all muslim
He come as a soldier so why he cray when he go to death
yet he insult Allah and his prophet Many times.

why you don't mention what he doing to prophet mohammed when the prophet was Prostrate to Allah In front of the Kaaba Like any respectable researcher..
Because you don't looking for the right , you believe in something already and you looking for any thing that Makes what you believe is true even if it, cut from the context


"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel". (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
" They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman". (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
 Quoting: Bible


Isn't the same logic? the same order? the same God ..

Eventually let me tall you what the verse revealed After that event...
The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger.
 Quoting: Holy Quran
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I really like where this thread is headed.
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Re: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"
"I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies." (Hadith)
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disinformation

Bring me the source , you will never find it

so don't make Yourself jackass ..

and For information this word (Hadith) meaning literal (talk ,speech) .
Muslim use it to indicate speech of the Prophet To distinguish between it and the verse of the Quran
this ward not meaning the source
but how would you know when you Depend just on the media to bring your information ...
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"I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies." (Hadith)
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disinformation

Bring me the source , you will never find it

so don't make Yourself jackass ..

and For information this word (Hadith) meaning literal (talk ,speech) .
Muslim use it to indicate speech of the Prophet To distinguish between it and the verse of the Quran
this ward not meaning the source
but how would you know when you Depend just on the media to bring your information ...
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