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Bill would give "Canadian" utility companies right to acquire land through eminent domain in Montana

 
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Bill would give "Canadian" utility companies right to acquire land through eminent domain in Montana
A Republican lawmaker wants to revise Montana's eminent domain laws.
In a Montana Legislative session loaded with controversies, the Republican-led House has now dumped HB 198, the eminent domain “fix,” in the lap of the Senate. The House debate saw a vast array of misstatements, untruths, and insane logic. The bill was written to grant MATL (Montana-Alberta Tie Line) or Tonbridge Power, a Canadian company, the power to use eminent domain to take property from Montana’s farmers, ranchers, and other rural landowners. It would also grant NorthWestern Energy’s MSTI project, a huge line from Townsend into Idaho, the power to take property.

MATL wants to build a 214-mile transmission line from Lethbridge, Alberta, to Great Falls, Montana, to allow transmission of power between the two markets. Most people thought MATL had the authority under Montana law to condemn property. But then a Glacier County Judge reviewed the law and found that the Legislature had never granted a corporate entity the right to condemn private property for the business of constructing and operating a private (for profit) “merchant” transmission line.




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Relax....beer2
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A Republican lawmaker wants to revise Montana's eminent domain laws.
In a Montana Legislative session loaded with controversies, the Republican-led House has now dumped HB 198, the eminent domain “fix,” in the lap of the Senate. The House debate saw a vast array of misstatements, untruths, and insane logic. The bill was written to grant MATL (Montana-Alberta Tie Line) or Tonbridge Power, a Canadian company, the power to use eminent domain to take property from Montana’s farmers, ranchers, and other rural landowners. It would also grant NorthWestern Energy’s MSTI project, a huge line from Townsend into Idaho, the power to take property.

MATL wants to build a 214-mile transmission line from Lethbridge, Alberta, to Great Falls, Montana, to allow transmission of power between the two markets. Most people thought MATL had the authority under Montana law to condemn property. But then a Glacier County Judge reviewed the law and found that the Legislature had never granted a corporate entity the right to condemn private property for the business of constructing and operating a private (for profit) “merchant” transmission line.




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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1137703


Looks like it is from BOTH SIDES........wtf

Here's the RINO / PROGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG that is trying to give away America's SOVERIEGN RIGHTS.

KEN PETERSON (R)
[link to leg.mt.gov]

Here's the SOCIALIST / PROGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG that is trying to give away America's SOVERIEGN RIGHTS.

Name : ROBIN HAMILTON (D)
[link to leg.mt.gov]


BOTH OF THESE PROGRESSIVE SCUM ARE SPONSORING THIS MONTANA BILL



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Relax....beer2
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Huh? you don't see any problems with this, I would if it was my private property! wtf
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Relax....beer2
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Huh? you don't see any problems with this, I would if it was my private property! wtf
 Quoting: Kate46


Good to see someone with common sense.

What is Eminent Domain?

Eminent domain refers to the power possessed by the state over all property within the state, specifically its power to appropriate property for a public use. In some jurisdictions, the state delegates eminent domain power to certain public and private companies, typically utilities, such that they can bring eminent domain actions to run telephone, power, water, or gas lines. In most countries, including the United States under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, the owner of any appropriated land is entitled to reasonable compensation, usually defined as the fair market value of the property. Proceedings to take land under eminent domain are typically referred to as "condemnation" proceedings.

If someone came onto your land and started developing without your knowing, consent, or the ability to stop them--- I think you would be a little fired up.

But do you really own the land????
Answer: NO
You are a Tenant of the property even though you are paying for it.
Read your mortgage/land title. You don't own the land...

All you want to read about being a land owner/tenant. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Looks like it is from BOTH SIDES........wtf

Here's the RINO / PROGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG that is trying to give away America's SOVERIEGN RIGHTS.

KEN PETERSON (R)
[link to leg.mt.gov]

Here's the SOCIALIST / PROGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG that is trying to give away America's SOVERIEGN RIGHTS.

Name : ROBIN HAMILTON (D)
[link to leg.mt.gov]


BOTH OF THESE PROGRESSIVE SCUM ARE SPONSORING THIS MONTANA BILL



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Burt thanks for the info.
There is more in the workings. Did you read about the FTZ zones in the US. Sounds like China has taken over the US without a shot fired.
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Well, do you guys want our hydro and oil or would you rather continue to buy crude from the "muzzies" and Chavez?
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Relax....beer2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047759


Huh? you don't see any problems with this, I would if it was my private property! wtf
 Quoting: Kate46


Good to see someone with common sense.

What is Eminent Domain?

Eminent domain refers to the power possessed by the state over all property within the state, specifically its power to appropriate property for a public use. In some jurisdictions, the state delegates eminent domain power to certain public and private companies, typically utilities, such that they can bring eminent domain actions to run telephone, power, water, or gas lines. In most countries, including the United States under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, the owner of any appropriated land is entitled to reasonable compensation, usually defined as the fair market value of the property. Proceedings to take land under eminent domain are typically referred to as "condemnation" proceedings.

If someone came onto your land and started developing without your knowing, consent, or the ability to stop them--- I think you would be a little fired up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1137703


It's not like they just come by and tell you to get the fuck out, they pay you what it's worth. In some rare cases the "greater good" is deemed to supersede your "propertay rights" unfortunately.

Eminent domain to prevent for example that one stubborn old fucker (you know the type) from holding up a multi-billion dollar project.
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Well, do you guys want our hydro and oil or would you rather continue to buy crude from the "muzzies" and Chavez?
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I am not saying that we cannot share resources, but to give a company eminent domain over "private" land is wrong.

We have plenty of resources in Montana. [link to answers.yahoo.com]
Most of our oil and hydro/power goes out of state.

Crazy that we can buy gas produced in Montana cheaper out of state than we can in state. Tell me how that works?
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It's not like they just come by and tell you to get the fuck out, they pay you what it's worth. In some rare cases the "greater good" is deemed to supersede your "propertay rights" unfortunately.

Eminent domain to prevent for example that one stubborn old fucker (you know the type) from holding up a multi-billion dollar project.


I am all for the pipeline, it will be an asset to Montana for oil production, but they are trying to sneak it in.

"The comment period is more than half over and the application isn't even available online," said Lyle Quick, a member of Northern Plains Resource Council, McCone County rancher and former county commissioner. "To see the application, you have to contact the State Department and ask them to mail a CD to you. And that's if you even know we're in a comment period."

Quick said that last week he caught surveyors trespassing on his sister's, Lyla Green's, place. "They said they were surveying (a two-track farm trail) claiming it might one day be a road across her property used to haul pipe to the construction site," Quick said.

"Landowners around here have no information about the pipeline," he added.

Notice that the permit application had been filed and the 30-day public comment period had begun was published in the Federal Register on Election Day, when the public was occupied with voting and following election results. Because the notice was written unclearly, even members of the public who saw the notice may not know that they are permitted to comment. For example, in the Federal Notice, the Department of State says it is "circulating this application to concerned federal agencies for comment." The notice did not state that the department is circulating the application for public comment.

"This is a major project consisting of a 36-inch buried pipe transporting a proposed 750,000 barrels of tar sands oil every day. The process should not be started with an attempt to squeeze this application in at the last minute under the current administration," said David Neimi, a member of Dakota Rural Action who is a South Dakota landowner potentially impacted by the project.

The Presidential Permit is required for the Keystone XL pipeline to cross the Canadian-U.S. border and starts an important permitting process which includes an Environmental Impact Statement for the entire proposed 1,900-mile length of the project. This Presidential Permit process is important for landowners to participate in so that they are not shut out of future chances to comment on the EIS for the proposed pipeline.

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Re: Bill would give "Canadian" utility companies right to acquire land through eminent domain in Montana
A Republican lawmaker wants to revise Montana's eminent domain laws.
In a Montana Legislative session loaded with controversies, the Republican-led House has now dumped HB 198, the eminent domain “fix,” in the lap of the Senate. The House debate saw a vast array of misstatements, untruths, and insane logic. The bill was written to grant MATL (Montana-Alberta Tie Line) or Tonbridge Power, a Canadian company, the power to use eminent domain to take property from Montana’s farmers, ranchers, and other rural landowners. It would also grant NorthWestern Energy’s MSTI project, a huge line from Townsend into Idaho, the power to take property.

MATL wants to build a 214-mile transmission line from Lethbridge, Alberta, to Great Falls, Montana, to allow transmission of power between the two markets. Most people thought MATL had the authority under Montana law to condemn property. But then a Glacier County Judge reviewed the law and found that the Legislature had never granted a corporate entity the right to condemn private property for the business of constructing and operating a private (for profit) “merchant” transmission line.




[link to www.krtv.com]

[link to polymontana.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1137703


Looks like it is from BOTH SIDES........wtf

Here's the RINO / PROGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG that is trying to give away America's SOVERIEGN RIGHTS.

KEN PETERSON (R)
[link to leg.mt.gov]

Here's the SOCIALIST / PROGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG that is trying to give away America's SOVERIEGN RIGHTS.

Name : ROBIN HAMILTON (D)
[link to leg.mt.gov]


BOTH OF THESE PROGRESSIVE SCUM ARE SPONSORING THIS MONTANA BILL



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 Quoting: Burt Gummer

And you would be the RIGHT WING PARASITE BACKING ALL THE CORPORATE SLEAZE BAGS...lol see how easy it is to call people you know nothing about names.

Real mature....you need to grow up Burt.
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These elected officials are tools of the international bankers who want all our land and wealth. As long as we don't start going after these puppet masters, we will spiral down with the red-blue left-right pissing match.

When YOU finally get the candidate of your choice, you will be either further dismayed or you will be happy that your man got in and go along with agendas such as fake terrorism, the Patriot Act, giving up freedom to be kept safe, and illegal invasions and occupations that make tons of money for the Halliburtons of the world.

Know who your enemies really are.
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I believe that bill failed, but another effort along a different line is succeeding.

[link to www.businessweek.com]

PARTIAL EXTRACT:

Mont. House backs state power over fed land bill

By STEPHEN DOCKERY

HELENA, Mont.

The House backed a measure Thursday to give Montana the power to exercise authority over federal land -- one of a number of Republican-backed bills seeking to override powers the U.S. government holds in the state.

Senate Bill 254 sponsored by Republican Sen. Rowlie Hutton, R-Havre, aims to give the state eminent domain authority over federal land within its borders -- an untested state action that has recently caught favor with members of some conservative legislators.

Supporters say the bill is important to give the state access to its land and to prevent the U.S. government from locking it up from development. Opponents say the measure is illegal and goes against the original agreement with the federal government that made Montana a state.

Speaking in favor of the measure, Rep. Jonathan McNiven, R-Huntley, said the federal government owns around a third of Montana land, potentially denying it from beneficial state uses.

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Here is where you can track bills in Montana: [link to leg.mt.gov]

I'll send the exact link next, but since that might change later - here is the general method for locating the current effort; look on the left side where it says "bills" click on that and 2011 session; when that opens insert type - SB (senate bill) and number 254

Here is the link (which may in the future change):
[link to laws.leg.mt.gov]
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There is a video: [link to leg.mt.gov]
20 minutes 50 seconds; I'm watching it now. This debate was Feb 21, but this is the first I heard of this matter.

One position is original documents which prohibit such an action. However, the original constitution of the United States says the government can only hold limited land for specific purposes such as ports with navel docks and inland forts.

The vote DID pass the Montana senate.

The actual bill is: [link to data.opi.mt.gov] (two pages)

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