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Archetype Branching and Shattering Paradigms

 
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Some thoughts

Not sure if you're read up on Platos divided line. Its basically that reality is divided between the visible world and the intelligible world. The intelligible world is made up of perfected forms and ideas. The mathematical square is a product of the the intelligible world and you're not gonna find a perfect square in the visible world of nature

He talked about the need for these perfected forms. That the idea is of a higher importance then the actuality. that the actuality comes out of the idea

He divided life up this way instead of between the physical and the spiritual

The world of perfected forms replaces the spiritual realm

Now lets move on to jesus. Whether or not jesus was an actual person or just a story, doesn't really matter. Cause as it stands, jesus is a perfected form for humanity. An example of man as God. I use Jesus because I am most familiar with the teachings of christianity. Plato speaks of humanities need for these perfected forms and jesus is an outbranching of that. And so on

I downloaded a series of comics called "The Invisibles" written by Grant Morrison. In the files was an essay he wrote entitled "Pop Magick". He discusses Summoning spirits and gods as well as possession. he defines 'gods' and 'spirits' as archetypes. Ideas. Perfected forms. Its an interesting read

Hopefully you see what Im getting at. Im having a hard time putting it together right now. basically that the spiritual realm is made up of ideas
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Excellent!

Yes, it is called, Theory of Forms
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This is from my thread on Plato.

Thread: Plato
I'm doing a little research on PLATO.

...Plato later began to develop his own philosophy and the Socrates of the later dialogues does more teaching than he does questioning. The fundamental aspect of Plato's thought is the theory of "ideas" or "forms." Plato, like so many other Greek philosphers, was stymied by the question of change in the physical world. Heraclitus had said that there is nothing certain or stable except the fact that things change, and Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers claimed that all change, motion, and time was an illusion. Where was the truth? How can these two opposite positions be reconciled? Plato ingeniously combined the two; a discussion of Plato's theory of forms is below.
[link to www.wsu.edu:8080]
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The whole Platonic teaching is based upon the concept of Absolute Goodness. Plato was vividly conscious of the immense profundity of the subject. "To discover the Creator and Father of this universe, as well as his operation, is indeed difficult; and when discovered it is impossible to reveal him." In him Truth, Justice and the Beautiful are eternally one. Hence the idea of the Good is the highest branch of study.
[link to www.theosociety.org]
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Alexander Wilder - Theosophy – July 1897

There is a criterion by which to know the truth, and Plato sought it out. The perceptions of sense fail utterly to furnish it. The law of right for example, is not the law of the strongest, but what is always expedient for the strongest. The criterion is therefore no less than the conceptions innate in every human soul. These relate to that which is true, because it is ever-abiding. What is true is always right — right and therefore supreme: eternal and therefore always good. In its inmost essence it is Being itself; in its form by which we are able to contemplate it, it is justice and virtue in the concepts of essence, power and energy.

These concepts are in every human soul and determine all forms of our thought. We encounter them in our most common experiences and recognize them as universal principles, infinite and absolute. However latent and dormant they may seem, they are ready to be aroused, and they enable us to distinguish spontaneously the wrong from the right. They are memories, we are assured, that belong to our inmost being, and to the eternal world. They accompanied the soul into this region of time, of ever-becoming and of sense. The soul, therefore, or rather its inmost spirit or intellect, is of and from eternity. It is not so much an inhabitant of the world of nature as a sojourner from the eternal region. Its trend and ulterior destination are accordingly toward the beginning from which it originally set out.

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Every thing pertaining to this world of time and sense, is constantly changing, and whatever it discloses to us is illusive. The laws and reasons of things must be found out elsewhere. We must search in the world which is beyond appearances, beyond sensation and its illusions. There are in all minds certain qualities or principles which underlie our faculty of knowing. These principles are older than experience, for they govern it; and while they combine more or less with our observations, they are superior and universal, and they are apprehended by us as infinite and absolute. They are our memories of the life of the eternal world, and it is the province of the philosophic discipline to call them into activity as the ideals of goodness and truth and beauty, and thus awaken the soul to the cognizing of God.
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The tree

You can look at a tree and see how it progresses from a trunk to a branch and from a branch to a leaf, but we dont see how that leaf progresses into oxygen and this puts a seperation between the oxygen and the leaf where, in reality, no seperation exists. The air is as intrinsic to the leaf as the leaf is to the branch and the branch to the trunk and the trunk to the roots and so forth. We are also a part of that process. There is no seperation. Only illusion

In the same way as the tree progresses into a leaf and the leaf into air, our thoughts are capable of changing the phyical reality around us. When anxious our heart rate increases and our body temperature fluctuates. We can feel this happening within us but we dont see how it branches out. How your body temperature affects and changes the air around you. You can look just past your finger tip and see light bend around it because of the heat your body puts off. Some people claim to see auras. Your thoughts are constantly interacting with your body which is in turn interacting with the space around it. There is no seperation
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The tree

You can look at a tree and see how it progresses from a trunk to a branch and from a branch to a leaf, but we dont see how that leaf progresses into oxygen and this puts a seperation between the oxygen and the leaf where, in reality, no seperation exists. The air is as intrinsic to the leaf as the leaf is to the branch and the branch to the trunk and the trunk to the roots and so forth. We are also a part of that process. There is no seperation. Only illusion

In the same way as the tree progresses into a leaf and the leaf into air, our thoughts are capable of changing the phyical reality around us. When anxious our heart rate increases and our body temperature fluctuates. We can feel this happening within us but we dont see how it branches out. How your body temperature affects and changes the air around you. You can look just past your finger tip and see light bend around it because of the heat your body puts off. Some people claim to see auras. Your thoughts are constantly interacting with your body which is in turn interacting with the space around it. There is no seperation
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Correct...only the illusion of it.
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i think this thread just broke my brain, :)

hf
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Ahh yes, Ideas to form

The first Feigenbaum constant, normally it represents the rate of bifurcations to throw a system into chaos, I like to think of it a different way. I like to think the " chaos " represented by bifurcations are actually when thoughts becomes shared, and an when an idea gets shared enough it becomes adopted as part of daily life and is no longer consciously thought of, it becomes part of the operational framework in our subsonscious.

Iow, from novelty idea to just part of life.
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