The Contact Thread ~ The Magic Of Our Fractal Reality ~ Wanna Take A Ride? (version 20.13)

big leap from the acacia tree
make you wonder if those original trees creators where simply attempting to make sense out of something that made no sense at the time

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and they are real

good way to put it...trial and error through experience.

Evening Aruna, did you catch the VC with John Lash today on Gnosticism? Pretty good discussion it was.

Those stories make you think of these 'fields' of energy around the different celestial bodies (galaxies, stars, planets, etc.) and how they could house a 'collective consciousness' that comprises a single entity which can interact with individuals within the collective so to speak.

That's sorta what I get out of all that anyways..


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yes bownman gets "it" that way which is why he relates to that topic
looking back on that thread he has confronted that reality of himself and is presently digesting it

A belief diet...nice.

action at a distance, is magic. It's a kind of magic. And before Newton, the only people who'd suggested the influences of distant planets and so on, on the earth, were the astrologers.

Newton was rather embarrassed by this. He saw this as a big unsolved problem in his own theory.

Yes. And indeed, no one really solved it. Einstein came along much later and said, well, it's not action at a distance through empty space, it's action at a distance through fields, gravitational fields. And so fields have now become the medium of interconnection at a distance. Fields have become the medium of magic, as it were. And nowhere is that more clearly seen than in television. I mean, two hundred years ago it would have been pure magic that people could have seen us on a television screen, far away from where we're talking. It's the kind of thing that's talked about in the ancient books of the Hindus -- the idea of seeing things at a distance. And yet today, we don't even think twice about it.

You seem to be suggesting, then, that what we call the laws of the universe, which we sometimes believe are inviolable and extend indefinitely and permanently, that these laws are in effect memories and habits that have evolved as if the universe itself were an organism.

Exactly that, yes. And the conventional view, you see, would be that the laws of nature are omnipotent, omniscient, universal, and so on. They're derived in fact from the seventeenth-century idea that the laws of nature were made up by God and existed within his mind. When people, those who did, got rid of the idea of the mind of God from nature, they were left with eternal laws which still had most of the properties of God. And even the most hard-nosed, mechanistic scientist actually believes implicitly in the existence of these universal, timeless laws, that are beyond time and space, present everywhere and always. Now, there's no reason at all for thinking that's the case.

The God before God...origin of nature AND God kind of thing?

so god becomes material reality (universe) "organic"

the living god that always is

The Contact Thread ~ The Magic Of Our Fractal Reality ~ Wanna Take A Ride?
You know that scene in the movie 'Contact' where an intelligent signal pattern is detected from space?

in the context of the quote the conclusion drawn from material testing is organic universe thus organic god

the word origin does exist within sacred texts used at area 51 but clearly defines and/or implies that whatever scale of material "end" may be observed or experienced within our universe, the universe is always present

so origin in this instance is applied to galaxies, stars, planets etc but never does it tell or imply origin of universe hence god

both always exist

so god becomes material reality (universe) "organic"

the living god that always is

in the context of the quote the conclusion drawn from material testing is organic universe thus organic god

the word origin does exist within sacred texts used at area 51 but clearly defines and/or implies that whatever scale of material "end" may be observed or experienced within our universe, the universe is always present

so origin in this instance is applied to galaxies, stars, planets etc but never does it tell or imply origin of universe hence god

both always exist

so god becomes material reality (universe) "organic"

the living god that always is

Nothing here about the option that the universe might have always existed. The seeming need for a "beginning" in observers might very well be an interpretation coloured by the human experience.

thank you for synapse stimulation!

This more than likey sounds very plebian, but I was wondering if you've read David Zindell's trilogy "A Requiem for Homo Sapiens"??

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

If so, I would really like to hear your thought on them. This thread reminds me so much of his writings - even though it's classed as scifi, I think it's reflecting reality

i haven't
i will and post here any thoughts

thanks

History
Arcite
Then known as the Order of Scientists, the Order was first founded on the ice world Arcite some time before the Vastening of Ede the God. This marks the year zero on the Order's Calendar. It was founded by Kelkemesh, then known as Rowan Madeus or the Timekeeper. A student of the Fravashi, Omar Narayama brought many new ideas that spelled the demise of the Order of Scientists and developed the Universal Syntax, that made holism begin to permeate and supersede science. The Order of Scientists became the new Order, and moved to Neverness on the planet Icefall 20 years later.

The word Fravashi is an Avestan word. Parsi (Zoroastrian) scriptures are written in Avestan Language which flourished 700 years before Lord Jesus Christ. Vedas also belong to the same age. Both have their origin from the Aryan root.
This word comes from "Fra" = forth, ahead, prime & "Vashi" from root Vatri-Vereti= to choose, meaning "the prime choice". The prime congenital power in a human being to choose, to select very rightly to attain the right goal through the right choice (selection). Thus, right education only will help the 'being' to walk on the righteous path to become a real human being, by the time the body completes its work together with the help of the mind.
'FRAVASHI' therefore, indicates that each individual human being has to go forth with right education to achieve the right livelihood and, in the end, to attain the right goal.

Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed. Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict.

It was probably founded some time before the 6th century BCE in Persia

Men lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil and grief: miserable age rested not on them; but with legs and arms never failing they made merry with feasting beyond the reach of all devils. When they died, it was as though they were overcome with sleep, and they had all good things; for the fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint. They dwelt in ease and peace.

-the questions:
why did the original god depart
how do we find the original god thus recover our godlike selves

In love with whole numbers, the Pythagoreans believed that all things could be derived from them. Certainly all other numbers.

So a crisis in doctrine occurred when they discovered that the square root of two was irrational. That is, that the square root of two could not be represented as the ratio of two numbers, no matter how big they were. Irrational originally meant only that, that you can't express a number as a ratio. But for the Pythagoreans, it came to mean something else, something threatening, a hint that their world view might not make sense -- the other meaning of irrational. Instead of wanting everyone to share and know of their discoveries, the Pythagoreans suppressed the square root of two and the dodecahedron. The outside world was not to know.

In mathematics, an irrational number is any real number which cannot be expressed as a fraction a/b, where a and b are integers, with b non-zero, and is therefore not a rational number. Informally, this means that an irrational number cannot be represented as a simple fraction

Reciprocals of irrational numbers
There are an infinite number of irrational reciprocal pairs that differ by an integer ( giving the curious effect that the pairs share their infinite mantissa )

mantissa
The mantissa is the significand in a common logarithm or floating-point number. Metaphorically, it is the part of the self that eludes conscious awareness or self-understanding.

From his meticulous, lifelong survey of the subject, professor Eliade drew a stunning conclusion: literally every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age. That which symbolically transported the participant back to the First Time, the Golden Age, was sacred. That which did not was transient and mundane, of no interest

what that tells us is every culture we possess formed from our already in place awareness that we knew what we were doing

that being said, were we to have been correct in our assumptions the questions every culture strives to answer today could not exist

it is safe to assume that our human awareness (archetypes) formed from our observation and experience which prompted us to form culture not only possessed the motive of golden age resurrection but also possessed awareness (archetypes)that incorrectly told us how to achieve it

trial and error