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>>VICARIUS FILII DEI: The Number Of The Beast<<

 
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It's hard to let go of something you were born into.
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Believe me I know what you are saying, if I turned back the clock to what I was taught to believe and compare it to what I understand today, there is almost no comparison!
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No offense, but you do know Christianity is based on Paganism, Astrology and clandestine Occultism right?
Now don't get mad, to each their own.
Do what thou will.
 Quoting: 2342


Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


So Christians don't drink wine and eat bread that represents the Blood and Flesh of the Christ?
 Quoting: 2342


Nope. That's within the Catholic church.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Oh i seem to remember going to a Lutheran church growing up and a non denominational christian church that practiced the ritual.
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interesting
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No offense, but you do know Christianity is based on Paganism, Astrology and clandestine Occultism right?
Now don't get mad, to each their own.
Do what thou will.
 Quoting: 2342


Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


What horrible blasphemy. The lowest pits of Hell are reserved for those that blaspheme.

The Holy Scriptures describe many of the wonderful "rituals" ordained by God. How many non-Catholic so-called "churches" bless the sick with oil as commanded by the apostle St. James:

James 5:14

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286821


Oil doesn't need to be blessed by another MAN. Nor does water...or anything for that matter.

I have some blessed olive oil. I prayed to GOD to bless it...not a middle man.
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Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


So Christians don't drink wine and eat bread that represents the Blood and Flesh of the Christ?
 Quoting: 2342


Nope. That's within the Catholic church.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Oh i seem to remember going to a Lutheran church growing up and a non denominational christian church that practiced the ritual.
 Quoting: 2342


Was raised CATHOLIC and this was the only time I saw this. Do you know what is required to be a Christian?
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Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


So Christians don't drink wine and eat bread that represents the Blood and Flesh of the Christ?
 Quoting: 2342


Nope. That's within the Catholic church.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Oh i seem to remember going to a Lutheran church growing up and a non denominational christian church that practiced the ritual.
 Quoting: 2342


What most people consider christian churches/congregations are simply spin offs of the catholic religions. I want nothing to do with these.

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I prayed to GOD to bless it...not a middle man.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yep, the middle man teaching is rife right across the board yet the Lord taught us to pray direct to 'Our Father', not through others.
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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excellent post thank you !
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. Philosopher George Santayana defines fanaticism as "redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim"[1]; according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". By either description the fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions.
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I prayed to GOD to bless it...not a middle man.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yep, the middle man teaching is rife right across the board yet the Lord taught us to pray direct to 'Our Father', not through others.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Yup. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

:)
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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No offense, but you do know Christianity is based on Paganism, Astrology and clandestine Occultism right?
Now don't get mad, to each their own.
Do what thou will.
 Quoting: 2342


Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


So Christians don't drink wine and eat bread that represents the Blood and Flesh of the Christ?
 Quoting: 2342


Nope. That's within the Catholic church.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Heretics like that immodest Texas "Gal" may not but true Christians listen to the words of Our Savior:

John 6:53-57

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
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excellent post thank you !
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
 Quoting: ADC


Absolutely. However, there are people of all denominations/faiths that are evil. BUT, the Vatican is the most evil of all.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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I prayed to GOD to bless it...not a middle man.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yep, the middle man teaching is rife right across the board yet the Lord taught us to pray direct to 'Our Father', not through others.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Yup. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


I may understand that statement a little differently to the way it is usually looked at though.
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Oh i seem to remember going to a Lutheran church growing up and a non denominational christian church that practiced the ritual.
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Communion in Protestant based churches typically used grape juice and wafers, and it only "represents" the body and blood of Christ

In Catholic churches, they believe in transubstantiation, which is that the Eucharist becomes the body and blood of Christ once it has been blessed.
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excellent post thank you !
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
 Quoting: ADC


Absolutely. However, there are people of all denominations/faiths that are evil. BUT, the Vatican is the most evil of all.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


As I have been saying that all along! Fanatics come in all forms that are false
Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. Philosopher George Santayana defines fanaticism as "redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim"[1]; according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". By either description the fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions.
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Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


So Christians don't drink wine and eat bread that represents the Blood and Flesh of the Christ?
 Quoting: 2342


Nope. That's within the Catholic church.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Heretics like that immodest Texas "Gal" may not but true Christians listen to the words of Our Savior:

John 6:53-57

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286821


In these verses Jesus repeats what he had in substance said before.

Except ye eat the flesh ... - He did not mean that this should be understood literally, for it was never done, and it is absurd to suppose that it was intended to be so understood. Nothing can possibly be more absurd than to suppose that when he instituted the Supper, and gave the bread and wine to his disciples, they literally ate his flesh and drank his blood. Who can believe this? There he stood, a living man - his body yet alive, his blood flowing in his veins; and how can it be believed that this body was eaten and this blood drunk? Yet this absurdity must be held by those who hold that the bread and wine at the communion are "changed into the body, blood, and divinity of our Lord." So it is taught in the decrees of the Council of Trent; and to such absurdities are men driven when they depart from the simple meaning of the Scriptures and from common sense. It may be added that if the bread and wine used in the Lord's Supper were not changed into his literal body and blood when it was first instituted, they have never been since.

The Lord Jesus would institute it just as he meant it should be observed, and there is nothing now in that ordinance which there was not when the Saviour first appointed it. His body was offered on the cross, and was raised up from the dead and received into heaven. Besides, there is no evidence that he had any reference in this passage to the Lord's Supper. That was not yet instituted, and in that there was no literal eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood. The plain meaning of the passage is, that by his bloody death - his body and his blood offered in sacrifice for sin - he would procure pardon and life for man; that they who partook of that, or had an interest in that, should obtain eternal life. He uses the figure of eating and drinking because that was the subject of discourse; because the Jews prided themselves much on the fact that their fathers had eaten manna; and because, as he had said that he was the bread of life, it was natural and easy, especially in the language which he used, to carry out the figure, and say that bread must be eaten in order to be of any avail in supporting and saving men. To eat and to drink, among the Jews, was also expressive of sharing in or partaking of the privileges of friendship. The happiness of heaven and all spiritual blessings are often represented under this image, Matthew 8:11; Matthew 26:29; Luke 14:15, etc.

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excellent post thank you !
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
 Quoting: ADC


Anti Semitism of main so called Cristian denominations takes it's root in Jesuit created replacement theology.
All roads lead to Rome...

Don't take it to heart, just ignore those anti semites pretending to be Christians. They are very deceived and lost...
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No offense, but you do know Christianity is based on Paganism, Astrology and clandestine Occultism right?
Now don't get mad, to each their own.
Do what thou will.
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2342=Therion. 93=729
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Are you speaking of "pi" golden ratio ?
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You are using the name "Therion" and I have seen other Thelemic references in your post. You should therefore know the meaning of 93=729.
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Yes, CATHOLICISM is. There are no weird rituals that Christians need to perform. The so called "christian holidays" such as Easter, Christmas, etc are all Pagan in origin.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


So Christians don't drink wine and eat bread that represents the Blood and Flesh of the Christ?
 Quoting: 2342


Nope. That's within the Catholic church.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Heretics like that immodest Texas "Gal" may not but true Christians listen to the words of Our Savior:

John 6:53-57

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286821


You must read on my friend to understand. It is the words.

53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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excellent post thank you !
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
 Quoting: ADC


Anti Semitism of main so called Cristian denominations takes it's root in Jesuit created replacement theology.
All roads lead to Rome...

Don't take it to heart, just ignore those anti semites pretending to be Christians. They are very deceived and lost...
 Quoting: me777


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So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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excellent post thank you !
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

:)
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
 Quoting: ADC


Anti Semitism of main so called Cristian denominations takes it's root in Jesuit created replacement theology.
All roads lead to Rome...

Don't take it to heart, just ignore those anti semites pretending to be Christians. They are very deceived and lost...
 Quoting: me777


Thank you and thank you for your aid as well this was the very topic you brought up last night I believe?bump

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Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. Philosopher George Santayana defines fanaticism as "redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim"[1]; according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". By either description the fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions.
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Looked up the suffix, "ism", some time back, and it referred to man-made systems. Then looked up "ity"--means a relationship. All the religious systems are "isms", whereas Christianity is a relationship, with that one mediator. All others are pretenders, if they claim to fill that position. Stay strong TXGal.
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In these verses Jesus repeats what he had in substance said before.

Except ye eat the flesh ... - He did not mean that this should be understood literally, for it was never done, and it is absurd to suppose that it was intended to be so understood. Nothing can possibly be more absurd than to suppose that when he instituted the Supper, and gave the bread and wine to his disciples, they literally ate his flesh and drank his blood. Who can believe this? There he stood, a living man - his body yet alive, his blood flowing in his veins; and how can it be believed that this body was eaten and this blood drunk? Yet this absurdity must be held by those who hold that the bread and wine at the communion are "changed into the body, blood, and divinity of our Lord." So it is taught in the decrees of the Council of Trent; and to such absurdities are men driven when they depart from the simple meaning of the Scriptures and from common sense. It may be added that if the bread and wine used in the Lord's Supper were not changed into his literal body and blood when it was first instituted, they have never been since.

The Lord Jesus would institute it just as he meant it should be observed, and there is nothing now in that ordinance which there was not when the Saviour first appointed it. His body was offered on the cross, and was raised up from the dead and received into heaven. Besides, there is no evidence that he had any reference in this passage to the Lord's Supper. That was not yet instituted, and in that there was no literal eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood. The plain meaning of the passage is, that by his bloody death - his body and his blood offered in sacrifice for sin - he would procure pardon and life for man; that they who partook of that, or had an interest in that, should obtain eternal life. He uses the figure of eating and drinking because that was the subject of discourse; because the Jews prided themselves much on the fact that their fathers had eaten manna; and because, as he had said that he was the bread of life, it was natural and easy, especially in the language which he used, to carry out the figure, and say that bread must be eaten in order to be of any avail in supporting and saving men. To eat and to drink, among the Jews, was also expressive of sharing in or partaking of the privileges of friendship. The happiness of heaven and all spiritual blessings are often represented under this image, Matthew 8:11; Matthew 26:29; Luke 14:15, etc.
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I believe that those at the last supper would have understood it as it was meant to be - the celebration of the eucharist as carried out in various place has no biblical support.
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In these verses Jesus repeats what he had in substance said before.

Except ye eat the flesh ... - He did not mean that this should be understood literally, for it was never done, and it is absurd to suppose that it was intended to be so understood. Nothing can possibly be more absurd than to suppose that when he instituted the Supper, and gave the bread and wine to his disciples, they literally ate his flesh and drank his blood. Who can believe this? There he stood, a living man - his body yet alive, his blood flowing in his veins; and how can it be believed that this body was eaten and this blood drunk? Yet this absurdity must be held by those who hold that the bread and wine at the communion are "changed into the body, blood, and divinity of our Lord." So it is taught in the decrees of the Council of Trent; and to such absurdities are men driven when they depart from the simple meaning of the Scriptures and from common sense. It may be added that if the bread and wine used in the Lord's Supper were not changed into his literal body and blood when it was first instituted, they have never been since.

The Lord Jesus would institute it just as he meant it should be observed, and there is nothing now in that ordinance which there was not when the Saviour first appointed it. His body was offered on the cross, and was raised up from the dead and received into heaven. Besides, there is no evidence that he had any reference in this passage to the Lord's Supper. That was not yet instituted, and in that there was no literal eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood. The plain meaning of the passage is, that by his bloody death - his body and his blood offered in sacrifice for sin - he would procure pardon and life for man; that they who partook of that, or had an interest in that, should obtain eternal life. He uses the figure of eating and drinking because that was the subject of discourse; because the Jews prided themselves much on the fact that their fathers had eaten manna; and because, as he had said that he was the bread of life, it was natural and easy, especially in the language which he used, to carry out the figure, and say that bread must be eaten in order to be of any avail in supporting and saving men. To eat and to drink, among the Jews, was also expressive of sharing in or partaking of the privileges of friendship. The happiness of heaven and all spiritual blessings are often represented under this image, Matthew 8:11; Matthew 26:29; Luke 14:15, etc.
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I believe that those at the last supper would have understood it as it was meant to be - the celebration of the eucharist as carried out in various place has no biblical support.
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You must read on my friend to understand. It is the words.

53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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The very last verse you have quoted is the key to what he was saying - it had nothing to do with flesh and blood and everything to do with spirit!
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Looked up the suffix, "ism", some time back, and it referred to man-made systems. Then looked up "ity"--means a relationship. All the religious systems are "isms", whereas Christianity is a relationship, with that one mediator. All others are pretenders, if they claim to fill that position. Stay strong TXGal.
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Thank u friend!
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Hey there! You're very welcome!

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sorry to be so late in the game but I am a bit tired from all late nights on here. Seems to be a trend to call the Jews Satan's children :) Now I see what has really been going on ..point the finger in another direction and maybe we will not see their true horns
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Anti Semitism of main so called Cristian denominations takes it's root in Jesuit created replacement theology.
All roads lead to Rome...

Don't take it to heart, just ignore those anti semites pretending to be Christians. They are very deceived and lost...
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Thank you and thank you for your aid as well this was the very topic you brought up last night I believe?
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You are most welcome. The last night...yes, I normally ignore those, but when that "Christian" OP person started quoting Goebbels, I just could not help it lol
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In these verses Jesus repeats what he had in substance said before.

Except ye eat the flesh ... - He did not mean that this should be understood literally, for it was never done, and it is absurd to suppose that it was intended to be so understood. Nothing can possibly be more absurd than to suppose that when he instituted the Supper, and gave the bread and wine to his disciples, they literally ate his flesh and drank his blood. Who can believe this? There he stood, a living man - his body yet alive, his blood flowing in his veins; and how can it be believed that this body was eaten and this blood drunk? Yet this absurdity must be held by those who hold that the bread and wine at the communion are "changed into the body, blood, and divinity of our Lord." So it is taught in the decrees of the Council of Trent; and to such absurdities are men driven when they depart from the simple meaning of the Scriptures and from common sense. It may be added that if the bread and wine used in the Lord's Supper were not changed into his literal body and blood when it was first instituted, they have never been since.

The Lord Jesus would institute it just as he meant it should be observed, and there is nothing now in that ordinance which there was not when the Saviour first appointed it. His body was offered on the cross, and was raised up from the dead and received into heaven. Besides, there is no evidence that he had any reference in this passage to the Lord's Supper. That was not yet instituted, and in that there was no literal eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood. The plain meaning of the passage is, that by his bloody death - his body and his blood offered in sacrifice for sin - he would procure pardon and life for man; that they who partook of that, or had an interest in that, should obtain eternal life. He uses the figure of eating and drinking because that was the subject of discourse; because the Jews prided themselves much on the fact that their fathers had eaten manna; and because, as he had said that he was the bread of life, it was natural and easy, especially in the language which he used, to carry out the figure, and say that bread must be eaten in order to be of any avail in supporting and saving men. To eat and to drink, among the Jews, was also expressive of sharing in or partaking of the privileges of friendship. The happiness of heaven and all spiritual blessings are often represented under this image, Matthew 8:11; Matthew 26:29; Luke 14:15, etc.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


I believe that those at the last supper would have understood it as it was meant to be - the celebration of the eucharist as carried out in various place has no biblical support.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Heretics who would rather listen to the "interpretations" of other Heretics rather than the clear words of Our Savior rightly deserve the Hell fire they are going to face.
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Whatever you speak would be music if it was whispered in my ear....................
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You must read on my friend to understand. It is the words.

53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 Quoting: platzee


The very last verse you have quoted is the key to what he was saying - it had nothing to do with flesh and blood and everything to do with spirit!
 Quoting: Ozicell


Yes. I agree!!

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