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RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 07/15/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: BloodyT3CH compare that to the X-17 from 2003 [link to www.theusner.eu] which was followed 3 days later by the X-45 which is the largest flare on record [link to www.theusner.eu] August 2, 1972 - The Space Age Storm - Solar astronomers reported that Active Region 331 had produced three powerful flares during a span of 15 hours. The intensity of these flares, classified as 'X2' were near the limits of the scale used to classify solar flare X-ray power. The next day, the Pioneer 9 spacecraft detected a shock wave from the first of these flares at 11:24 UT accompanied by a sudden change in the solar wind speed from 350 to 585 km/sec. Space weather forecasters at the Space Environment Services Center in Boulder Colorado issued an alert that predicted a major storm would arrive at the earth between August 4. They were not disappointed. Armed with vastly improved technology and scientific ideas, they were able to realize William Ellis's 1882 dream of predicting a solar storm. At 4:00 UT, aurora were seen simultaneously from Illinois to Colorado and the events of this storm were widely reported in major international newspapers. At 22:30 UT AT&T reported a voltage surge of 60 volts on their coaxial telephone cable between Chicago and Nebraska. Another 30 minute shutdown of phone service on Bell's cable link between Plano, Illinois and Cascade, Iowa was also attributed to the storm. Both the Canadian Overseas Telecommunications Corporation and Canadian National Telecommunications reported that the current surges in their lines had damaged components in their system ranging from noise filters to 'carbon blocks' Taxi drivers received orders from distant cities and were forced to turn down lucrative transcontinental fares! Paul Linger of the Denver Zoo said that the disruption of the Earth's magnetic field by the storms would disorient pigeons who depend upon the field for their sense of direction. [link to www.solarstorms.org] I did not realize they had upgraded that event to X-45! I do not know where to go to see if Earth took a direct hit, or if it was just grazing us. ??? anyone know where to look? Did we even have sat. coverage that would tell us? officially it's still at X-28 I think, but unofficially it was rated from X-34 to X-45. The desciption below says it was upgraded to X-34 October 29, 2003 - The Halloween Storm - This Halloween Storm spawned auroras that were seen over most of North America. Extensive satellite problems were reported, including the loss of the $450 million Midori-2 research satellite. Highly publicized in the news media. A huge solar storm has impacted the Earth, just over 19 hours after leaving the sun. This is one of the fastest solar storm in historic times, only beaten by the perfect solar storm in 1859 which spent an estimated 17 hours in transit. A few days later on November 4, 2003 one of the most powerful x-ray flares ever detected, swamped the sensors of dozens of satellites, causing satellite operations anomalies….but no aurora. Originally classified as an X28 flare, it was upgrade to X34 a month later. In all of its fury, it never became a white light flare such as the one observed by Carrington in 1859. Astronauts hid deep within the body of the International Space Station, but still reported radiation effects and ocular 'shooting stars'. [link to www.solarstorms.org] Last Edited by RTS REDUX on 07/15/2012 07:39 PM |
parrotsandwhiskey User ID: 19813472 United States 07/15/2012 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who want to get a better idea of how these storms work, NASA has an in-depth educational tutorial about everything related to the magnetosphere. Particularly relevant to previous questions, I'll cite 2 chapters here and a link to the index. Quoting: Hugh M Eye Electrons, Ions, and Plasma: [link to www.phy6.org] Geomagnetic Substorms: [link to www.phy6.org] An Exploration of the Earth's Magnetosphere-index: [link to www.phy6.org] And don't forget the MAGNETO-MINI-GOLF if you haven't tried it yet: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Thank you so much, Hugh M Eye! Awesome resources, this is a huge help. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540313 United States 07/15/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who want to get a better idea of how these storms work, NASA has an in-depth educational tutorial about everything related to the magnetosphere. Particularly relevant to previous questions, I'll cite 2 chapters here and a link to the index. Quoting: Hugh M Eye Electrons, Ions, and Plasma: [link to www.phy6.org] Geomagnetic Substorms: [link to www.phy6.org] An Exploration of the Earth's Magnetosphere-index: [link to www.phy6.org] And don't forget the MAGNETO-MINI-GOLF if you haven't tried it yet: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Thank you so much, Hugh M Eye! Awesome resources, this is a huge help. mini golf was hard!!! |
C3Music User ID: 16136592 United States 07/15/2012 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who want to get a better idea of how these storms work, NASA has an in-depth educational tutorial about everything related to the magnetosphere. Particularly relevant to previous questions, I'll cite 2 chapters here and a link to the index. Quoting: Hugh M Eye Electrons, Ions, and Plasma: [link to www.phy6.org] Geomagnetic Substorms: [link to www.phy6.org] An Exploration of the Earth's Magnetosphere-index: [link to www.phy6.org] And don't forget the MAGNETO-MINI-GOLF if you haven't tried it yet: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Thank you so much, Hugh M Eye! Awesome resources, this is a huge help. mini golf was hard!!! I scored a 28, beginners luck I guess. |
SnakeBite User ID: 13658852 Canada 07/15/2012 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who want to get a better idea of how these storms work, NASA has an in-depth educational tutorial about everything related to the magnetosphere. Particularly relevant to previous questions, I'll cite 2 chapters here and a link to the index. Quoting: Hugh M Eye Electrons, Ions, and Plasma: [link to www.phy6.org] Geomagnetic Substorms: [link to www.phy6.org] An Exploration of the Earth's Magnetosphere-index: [link to www.phy6.org] And don't forget the MAGNETO-MINI-GOLF if you haven't tried it yet: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] HUGH!!! Thank you so much man! Those links are gold for me. |
madajs User ID: 6377684 Canada 07/15/2012 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It says it's sourced out from GFZ data, and yet currently usner is displaying a provisional Kp 8+ for the UTC 18-21 period, while GFZ's actual site shows a Kp of about 7.6 for the same period. [link to www-app3.gfz-potsdam.de] Seems to me you'd be better off just using GFZ's page rather than a page seemingly doing a shoddy job of copying GFZ's data :) GFZ seems like an exemplary source by the way, NOAA mentions in it's documentation that GFZ is the institution that finalizes the official planetary Kp index bimonthly. The official, after-the-fact, 3-hourly planetary index of geomagnetic activity is calculated twice per month by the the German GeoForschungsZentrum (GFZ) (Research Center for Geosciences), from the K indexes observed at 13 stations primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. The Kp indices, which date from 1932, are used to determine the ap indices. Quoting: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 07/15/2012 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the X20 the largest 10+ we have had since 2003? I know, I could google but packing for a trip and if anyone knows off the top of their head that would be cool. TIZ Quoting: whiteangel top twenty since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] earlier reports of extreme solar activity [link to www.solarstorms.org] Last Edited by RTS REDUX on 07/15/2012 07:38 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540313 United States 07/15/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the X20 the largest 10+ we have had since 2003? I know, I could google but packing for a trip and if anyone knows off the top of their head that would be cool. TIZ Quoting: whiteangel top twenty since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] earlier reports of extreme solar activity [link to www.solarstorms.org] All in the last 30 years or so? Wow, is our Sun becoming more active??? Time for all glaciers to melt? |
Parvati User ID: 7521845 New Zealand 07/15/2012 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | top twenty since 1978 Quoting: RTS REDUX [link to www.solarham.net] earlier reports of extreme solar activity [link to www.solarstorms.org] Great links! Thanks! :em77: Truth [Satya] indeed conquers! Not untruth, falsehood. Untruth is all discord, out of harmony with the Real. The Real is a spontaneous unfolding of the One. - Mundaka Upanishad III.1.6 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540313 United States 07/15/2012 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the X20 the largest 10+ we have had since 2003? I know, I could google but packing for a trip and if anyone knows off the top of their head that would be cool. TIZ Quoting: whiteangel top twenty since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] earlier reports of extreme solar activity [link to www.solarstorms.org] All in the last 30 years or so? Wow, is our Sun becoming more active??? Time for all glaciers to melt? Oh, my parden, this list was of storms since 1978- oops! I thought it was of all time biggest storms. |
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aguyfrompgh User ID: 19437179 United States 07/15/2012 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | according to [link to www.gi.alaska.edu] the short term forcast for aurora in the USA is extreme+++ the highest i've ever seen it. I'm in pittsburgh, Pa, and according to this it should be right overhead. How dark does it need to get before i start seeing something? |
RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 07/15/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the X20 the largest 10+ we have had since 2003? I know, I could google but packing for a trip and if anyone knows off the top of their head that would be cool. TIZ Quoting: whiteangel top twenty since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] earlier reports of extreme solar activity [link to www.solarstorms.org] All in the last 30 years or so? Wow, is our Sun becoming more active??? Time for all glaciers to melt? Oh, my parden, this list was of storms since 1978- oops! I thought it was of all time biggest storms. I've been checking out images from the last solar max the past few days. There were quite a few HUGE CME's, and the Lasco pictures back then seem a lot less censored then the ones you see today. Last Edited by RTS REDUX on 07/15/2012 08:19 PM |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 19372178 United States 07/15/2012 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure about the usner page some of you guys have been following [link to www.theusner.eu] Quoting: madajs It says it's sourced out from GFZ data, and yet currently usner is displaying a provisional Kp 8+ for the UTC 18-21 period, while GFZ's actual site shows a Kp of about 7.6 for the same period. [link to www-app3.gfz-potsdam.de] Seems to me you'd be better off just using GFZ's page rather than a page seemingly doing a shoddy job of copying GFZ's data :) GFZ seems like an exemplary source by the way, NOAA mentions in it's documentation that GFZ is the institution that finalizes the official planetary Kp index bimonthly. The official, after-the-fact, 3-hourly planetary index of geomagnetic activity is calculated twice per month by the the German GeoForschungsZentrum (GFZ) (Research Center for Geosciences), from the K indexes observed at 13 stations primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. The Kp indices, which date from 1932, are used to determine the ap indices. Quoting: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Howdy, madajs, thanks for that GFZ link! I didn't know the Germans put their K-indexes to music. Unfortunately, they don't have a flash player so I can hear it. Today's musical composition: [link to www-app3.gfz-potsdam.de] One-year music: [link to www-app3.gfz-potsdam.de] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540313 United States 07/15/2012 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | according to [link to www.gi.alaska.edu] Quoting: aguyfrompgh the short term forcast for aurora in the USA is extreme+++ the highest i've ever seen it. I'm in pittsburgh, Pa, and according to this it should be right overhead. How dark does it need to get before i start seeing something? Good luck- I have seen pix of the lights at sundown in Norway so.... just keep looking North. I wish I was far enough No. to see. |
SnakeBite User ID: 13658852 Canada 07/15/2012 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by SnakeBite on 07/15/2012 08:09 PM |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 19372178 United States 07/15/2012 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOAA Warning extended again- Space Weather Message Code: WARK06 Serial Number: 205 Issue Time: 2012 Jul 15 2347 UTC EXTENDED WARNING: Geomagnetic K-Index of 6 expected Extension to Serial Number: 204 Valid From: 2012 Jul 15 1705 UTC Now Valid Until: 2012 Jul 16 0300 UTC Warning Condition: Persistence Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 55 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude. Induced Currents - Power grid fluctuations can occur. High-latitude power systems may experience voltage alarms. Spacecraft - Satellite orientation irregularities may occur; increased drag on low Earth-orbit satellites is possible. Radio - HF (high frequency) radio propagation can fade at higher latitudes. Aurora - Aurora may be seen as low as New York to Wisconsin to Washington state. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] I don't believe I've ever seen the Magnetic Field plot look like this for so long: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 07/15/2012 08:20 PM |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 19372178 United States 07/15/2012 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like old Sol may be waking up again, hmmmm.. I am teh sun newb so im sure the rest of you know this, but ive just recently realized that a great way to notice a flare happening almost right away is to watch this [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] It responds instantly to any rises in activity from Sol. Im very intrigued!!! Quoting: SnakeBite That chart just shows the radio frequency absorption in the D-layer of the ionosphere. It's mostly used by airlines communications, military and ham radio operators. But it does look cool during big flares and SEP events. [link to www.radio-electronics.com] More on HF radio propagation and solar activity: [link to www.hamqsl.com] |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: RTS REDUX Nice! this info. is also from Potsdam, farther North. here is for us now(if I can get it to load) [link to www.theusner.eu] here's the plot from the X-45 flare back in 2003. It followed on the heels of the massive storm (X-17) shown in the link on the bottom [link to www.theusner.eu] X-20 flare from 2001 [link to www.theusner.eu] X-20 from August 1989 [link to www.theusner.eu] X17 from Oct 2003 [link to www.theusner.eu] top 20 solar flares since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] Type in March 13, 1989.....wowza, thanks for the link Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
SnakeBite User ID: 13658852 Canada 07/15/2012 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like old Sol may be waking up again, hmmmm.. I am teh sun newb so im sure the rest of you know this, but ive just recently realized that a great way to notice a flare happening almost right away is to watch this [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] It responds instantly to any rises in activity from Sol. Im very intrigued!!! Quoting: SnakeBite That chart just shows the radio frequency absorption in the D-layer of the ionosphere. It's mostly used by airlines communications, military and ham radio operators. But it does look cool during big flares and SEP events. [link to www.radio-electronics.com] More on HF radio propagation and solar activity: [link to www.hamqsl.com] Yea, its just something ive noticed, as soon as there is any increase on the xray flux it begins showing up immediately, and the higher xray goes the more intense it shows up on the absorption chart, Its actually how i noticed the xflare first, was the first page i went to and it was red across the entire thing, really cool! P.S. Thanks for the links! You guys provide so much info its insane, i need to put this in a book to read it all! Last Edited by SnakeBite on 07/15/2012 08:27 PM |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: RTS REDUX Nice! this info. is also from Potsdam, farther North. here is for us now(if I can get it to load) [link to www.theusner.eu] here's the plot from the X-45 flare back in 2003. It followed on the heels of the massive storm (X-17) shown in the link on the bottom [link to www.theusner.eu] X-20 flare from 2001 [link to www.theusner.eu] X-20 from August 1989 [link to www.theusner.eu] X17 from Oct 2003 [link to www.theusner.eu] top 20 solar flares since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] I credit my awakening to March 2001, the chart for the WHOLE month is elevated!!! My awakening was not glamorous, I was deathly sick for weeks with a walking pneumonia type mystery condition they couldn't diagnose, hmmmmmm sorry, don't want to sidetrack but this link is awesome. I bet many could synch their "changes" with this archive. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see a pattern. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Quoting: C3Music 16136592 What were you thinking? Seems more the pattern "broke" Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
C3Music User ID: 16136592 United States 07/15/2012 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see a pattern. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Quoting: C3Music 16136592 What were you thinking? Seems more the pattern "broke" Sorry... |
zacksavage User ID: 1410797 United States 07/15/2012 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm right there with ya...From this forum I've learned to look at certain websites for data, including the ones where the kp 8 was posted. Quoting: Starry eyes I, too have limited knowledge and I'm a noob suntard. So, pardon me if I seem a little alarmed at some data. Me, too! I'm a noob suntard, and until a couple of days ago I had NO IDEA that the sun could do these things! I was oblivious! I'm no spring chicken - I'm 46 years old, a single mom, with two teenage sons at home, so you'd think I'd know something about the universe. But I'm like most other Americans. I could name the planets, tell you the phases of the moon. I knew that the sun was the center of our solar system. But anything else? Only what I saw on conventional news. Something caught my attention this week. I heard about the solar flare and resulting CME on the radio while driving home from work. I started googling. Found this site... and my mind exploded. I will never look at anything in the universe the same way. And yeah, I'm having fun enjoying the "panic" of the situation, refreshing the charts and photos and feeling like I just discovered a piece of myself I never knew was missing. Parrot, your post brought tears to my eyes....WELCOME to the party, might want to check out some ascension sites, threads also, Namaste, Isis One Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
C3Music User ID: 16136592 United States 07/15/2012 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see a pattern. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Quoting: C3Music 16136592 What were you thinking? Seems more the pattern "broke" Sorry... I will say I do still see a pattern, + or - 20 minutes. |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the X20 the largest 10+ we have had since 2003? I know, I could google but packing for a trip and if anyone knows off the top of their head that would be cool. TIZ Quoting: whiteangel Whiteangel, you pack like I do, for hours and hours and hours, he he Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like old Sol may be waking up again, hmmmm.. I am teh sun newb so im sure the rest of you know this, but ive just recently realized that a great way to notice a flare happening almost right away is to watch this [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] It responds instantly to any rises in activity from Sol. Im very intrigued!!! Quoting: SnakeBite I'm not sure how to read that simulation nor graph on the right? I have a feeling its not an easy answer too, but if someone wants to take a try, thanks! Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
zacksavage User ID: 1410797 United States 07/15/2012 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here's the plot from the X-45 flare back in 2003. It followed on the heels of the massive storm (X-17) shown in the link on the bottom Quoting: RTS REDUX [link to www.theusner.eu] X-20 flare from 2001 [link to www.theusner.eu] X-20 from August 1989 [link to www.theusner.eu] X17 from Oct 2003 [link to www.theusner.eu] top 20 solar flares since 1978 [link to www.solarham.net] Yes,...I agree with Isis. Thank you for the link. Easy to see and understand. Since clicking on this thread today, I have learned a great deal with Hugh's links and the like. Shared mass information transfer is very cool. It would seem that the smaller the "particle", the more profound the effect. Higgs bosons not withstanding. **edit** Kinda funny how the info does not match NOAA though ,... [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.theusner.eu] Last Edited by zacksavage on 07/15/2012 09:00 PM Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 07/15/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see a pattern. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Quoting: C3Music 16136592 What were you thinking? Seems more the pattern "broke" Sorry... Cute! Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |