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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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looking at todays movie on SDO in the gold filter, we can see there is some very active magnetic activity going on around sunspot 1560
also looking at the magnetogram i can see some major fast growth within this region today, as well as connectivity between this region and the sunspots in the southeastern region
if this continues, we could see a good sized flare very soon, as well as a possible CME coming from this area
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

wow, also something else i just noticed
look at the movie for all of today in the Red filter, and watch the entire top right (northwest) section
you can see the wave of plasms that was from the filament ejection in the southeast (bottom left), then a few min later you can see that wave go up over the whole top right
like a wave of plasma went over the whole earth facing side of the sun with this event

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radial speed and temp picking up a little

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

cap:
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Nothing crazy on magnetosphere.



[link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

I like the TEC graph at the bottom here...nice to see it in motion.
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[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

same pattern as before...16hrs on, 8hrs off, started back at 1400 utc

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It carries out that pattern for cycles. I remember last year it was doing the same thing
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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heyyyy
check out the solen report for 27 days ago on Aug 5th
that is when this same area of the sun was earth facing last time
[link to www.solen.info]
"The only interesting event during the day was a very long duration C3.5 event beginning just after 11h and peaking at 15:00 UTC. Its source was a large filament eruption in the southeast quadrant from about 40 degrees east to the central meridian and from near the equator in the north to ARs 11539 and 11538 in the south. The event was associated with a full halo asymmetric CME. Earth is probably outside the path of the core CME, however, an impact is likely on August 7."

same area, in the same earth facing position


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 Quoting: NiNzrez


I remember that filament lifting and reforming , thought several times it was going to 'let go'. It seems it just wasn't ready until now
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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got this one hanging out near what SC has dubbed Ninz' corner
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looking at todays movie on SDO in the gold filter, we can see there is some very active magnetic activity going on around sunspot 1560
also looking at the magnetogram i can see some major fast growth within this region today, as well as connectivity between this region and the sunspots in the southeastern region
if this continues, we could see a good sized flare very soon, as well as a possible CME coming from this area
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

wow, also something else i just noticed
look at the movie for all of today in the Red filter, and watch the entire top right (northwest) section
you can see the wave of plasms that was from the filament ejection in the southeast (bottom left), then a few min later you can see that wave go up over the whole top right
like a wave of plasma went over the whole earth facing side of the sun with this event
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Hi Nin- the Sun continues to amaze us, glad to see you back.hf
I have not been here much due to computer issues, and very busy w/ all kinds of stuff, too.
Hi everyone!I am very glad you all kept this thread going so awesome!
I re-upped just for this SolarWatch thread. Love you guys!
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Looking at several observatories to view this release, I noticed that the PROBA2/SWAP 174 angstrom imager exhibits something that no other source appears to display. Immediately prior to the event, material can be seen scattering about as usually seen in a detector following a CME.. perhaps this is of some use. To view the sequence without compiling a video, open the link and change the time step to 1 minute then step forward with the arrows to see the following frames.

[link to helioviewer.org]
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention and explaining how to use it, I will be back there a LOT!!!
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got this one hanging out near what SC has dubbed Ninz' corner
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Ninz corner- awesome!
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I've got a feeling about 1560, lets see if it goes BGD!
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I believe it did and we got a C flare right? Good call Shad
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According to Dr Strong's calculation the speed of the CME yesterday (from the filament) was said to be 2000 km/s or 4,473,872.584 MPH

Simply Incredible.

Not quite as fast as that rare event a couple months ago off the west limb at 7 million mph, but when you are calculating speeds by the millions of mph ??? Blows my mind.
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Mine too 66! and yet you can clearly see the event in real time via the satellites. It seems like something that is going to speed away that fast would happen equally as fast and be undetectable except through a very slow motion replay. What is the mechanism by which the mass ejecta picks up that kind of speed? Also, how does it travel in a straight line? Doesn't everything kind of have a curve to it, especially over those kinds of distances?
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Guys can you tell me the energy of solar photons, when accelerated by a flare or a CME??

COULD achieve an energy of 150-200 MeV??




besides do you know a link in the web where monitoring the gamma ray burst ?????


thanks guys
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Hey Italy, did you find some answers? You should hang out here its fun.
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CACTus has the filament liftoff rated at IV--halo greater than 270 degrees.

It is interesting to watch the CACTus vid, because it shows just how much ejecta kept coming even after the filament had cleared out.

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]
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According to Dr Strong's calculation the speed of the CME yesterday (from the filament) was said to be 2000 km/s or 4,473,872.584 MPH

Simply Incredible.

Not quite as fast as that rare event a couple months ago off the west limb at 7 million mph, but when you are calculating speeds by the millions of mph ??? Blows my mind.
 Quoting: TS66


Mine too 66! and yet you can clearly see the event in real time via the satellites. It seems like something that is going to speed away that fast would happen equally as fast and be undetectable except through a very slow motion replay. What is the mechanism by which the mass ejecta picks up that kind of speed? Also, how does it travel in a straight line? Doesn't everything kind of have a curve to it, especially over those kinds of distances?
 Quoting: Isis One


All good questions. What I wonder about is magnetic influence of other bodies on our Sun- do the planets have any effect, does something extrasolar have effect?? Do magnetic fields disconnect, allowing the plasma to leave the surface of the Sun?
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I've got a feeling about 1560, lets see if it goes BGD!
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I believe it did and we got a C flare right? Good call Shad
 Quoting: Isis One


Thanks Isis, its got a good magnetic look to it and was expanding this morning
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TEC going high over Canaries worries me...
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CACTus has the filament liftoff rated at IV--halo greater than 270 degrees.

It is interesting to watch the CACTus vid, because it shows just how much ejecta kept coming even after the filament had cleared out.

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]
 Quoting: mistersplinter


Thats a crazy amount of energy,good find splinter! I've only used that site a couple times, need to check that out more often
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CACTus has the filament liftoff rated at IV--halo greater than 270 degrees.

It is interesting to watch the CACTus vid, because it shows just how much ejecta kept coming even after the filament had cleared out.

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]
 Quoting: mistersplinter


WOOOWWWWW, holy you know what!!!!!
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Check the comment at 10:20pm, solar update says CME arrival 09-01-12 plus or minus 6 hours.



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Event Issue Date: 2012-08-31 18:39:09.0 GMT
CME Arrival Time: 2012-09-01 22:29:39.0 GMT
Arival Time Confidence Level: ± 6 hours
Disturbance Duration: 6 hours
Disturbance Duration Confidence Level: ± 8 hours
Magnetopause Standoff Distance: 4.3 Re
Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:29:39 GMT


so they give it around a 24hr arrival time
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that sure is a hell of a lot faster than 500km/sec haha
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Thats about (if my maths is right) 1800km/second....damn!
AhSheeet

and thats going to hit HARD...tin foil hats people....
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and for us..US feet/in folks...
3.8 million MPH....about 1/2 the speed of the freaking fast CME earlier this summer.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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CACTus has the filament liftoff rated at IV--halo greater than 270 degrees.

It is interesting to watch the CACTus vid, because it shows just how much ejecta kept coming even after the filament had cleared out.

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]
 Quoting: mistersplinter


Thats a crazy amount of energy,good find splinter! I've only used that site a couple times, need to check that out more often
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Nice website, thanks. That was a pretty long event. I hope the Bz stays North!
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I've got a feeling about 1560, lets see if it goes BGD!
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I believe it did and we got a C flare right? Good call Shad
 Quoting: Isis One


Thanks Isis, its got a good magnetic look to it and was expanding this morning
 Quoting: shadasonic


On solarsoft, event 40: it says 1560 gave us a C 2.5

Update: it is now event 37

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CACTus has the filament liftoff rated at IV--halo greater than 270 degrees.

It is interesting to watch the CACTus vid, because it shows just how much ejecta kept coming even after the filament had cleared out.

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]
 Quoting: mistersplinter


Thats a crazy amount of energy,good find splinter! I've only used that site a couple times, need to check that out more often
 Quoting: shadasonic


This one:
[link to www.sidc.oma.be]

is a good place to start. CACTus only updates every 6 hrs, which is kinda lacking IMHO, but usually pretty neat when it does.
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2.5 2012/09/01 17:30:36 43.781 -121.316 0.0
NEWBERRY CALDERA AREA, OREGON

depth of 0.0 is surface

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]
Newberry may appear to be a sleeping volcano, but it is doing what volcanoes normally do by maintaining long periods of quiet that are punctuated by occasional eruptions. Seismometers measure earthquakes associated with magma and gas movement beneath the surface, while global positioning system (GPS) instruments measure swelling of a volcano due to magma accumulation underground.

just downgraded to a 1.8
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

have to keep it off that main big quake map, ya know ^^

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[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
check this out
really taking a hit starting on sept 1st!
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[link to www.space.com]

Snip:

Many things — e.g. stars, interstellar dust — could have dispersed the photons. "But nothing that we know can un-disperse gamma-ray photons," Nemiroff said. "So we then conclude that these photons were not dispersed. So if they were not dispersed, then the universe left them alone. So if the universe was made of Planck-scale quantum foam, according to some theories, it would not have left these photons alone. So those types of Planck-scale quantum foams don't exist."
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2.5 2012/09/01 17:30:36 43.781 -121.316 0.0
NEWBERRY CALDERA AREA, OREGON

depth of 0.0 is surface

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]
Newberry may appear to be a sleeping volcano, but it is doing what volcanoes normally do by maintaining long periods of quiet that are punctuated by occasional eruptions. Seismometers measure earthquakes associated with magma and gas movement beneath the surface, while global positioning system (GPS) instruments measure swelling of a volcano due to magma accumulation underground.

just downgraded to a 1.8
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

have to keep it off that main big quake map, ya know ^^
 Quoting: NiNzrez


Lots of small quakes under the volcanos near me, too- Mt. Lassen and the giant Mt. Shasta. I live close, so keep my eye on activity there, thanks for this post Nin.
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check this out
really taking a hit starting on sept 1st!
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Wow, what's up w/ that?
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2.5 2012/09/01 17:30:36 43.781 -121.316 0.0
NEWBERRY CALDERA AREA, OREGON

depth of 0.0 is surface

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]
Newberry may appear to be a sleeping volcano, but it is doing what volcanoes normally do by maintaining long periods of quiet that are punctuated by occasional eruptions. Seismometers measure earthquakes associated with magma and gas movement beneath the surface, while global positioning system (GPS) instruments measure swelling of a volcano due to magma accumulation underground.

just downgraded to a 1.8
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

have to keep it off that main big quake map, ya know ^^
 Quoting: NiNzrez


Lots of small quakes under the volcanos near me, too- Mt. Lassen and the giant Mt. Shasta. I live close, so keep my eye on activity there, thanks for this post Nin.
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you live by Mt. Shasta?
i grew up in Yreka and saw that Mountian out our front window and was terified as a child it would blow with me living there
i would even have nightmares of watching the explosion
stay safe please!
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Dunno if someone already posted but I got this in my inbox from SWPC couple hours ago:

Space Weather Message Code: WATA30
Serial Number: 96
Issue Time: 2012 Sep 01 1536 UTC

WATCH: Geomagnetic Storm Category G2 Predicted

Highest Storm Level Predicted by Day:
Sep 02: None (Below G1) Sep 03: G2 (Moderate) Sep 04: None (Below G1)

THIS SUPERSEDES ANY/ALL PRIOR WATCHES IN EFFECT
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[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
check this out
really taking a hit starting on sept 1st!
 Quoting: psyoptics


Wow, what's up w/ that?
 Quoting: SpiderJones


i was looking at that earlier and was wondering myself
we can also see the hit here around the 7-8 mark

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