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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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Hello there Akiva and Snakey B - Hope you are Good : )

I'm just doing a little Sol Hunting a Minute - Be back with some goodies,hopefully..but not a [link to www.thenewsherald.com] <--- Wtf!?
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Good evening everyone !!! I've been waiting for these shots all day !!!

hf

North 1589

:101012north:

.... and still to be numbered South SR S29E86 (1590 ??)

:101012south:

According to the US dept of Commerce:

Class M 40/40/40
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green
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[link to www.redorbit.com]

This is information on Nasa and its solar shield project, its aim..... to protect North American grids from solar storms. Seems they are still looking for a big storm!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Good evening everyone !!! I've been waiting for these shots all day !!!

hf

North 1589

:101012north:

.... and still to be numbered South SR S29E86 (1590 ??)

:101012south:

According to the US dept of Commerce:

Class M 40/40/40
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green
 Quoting: TS66


Beautiful picture, TS...
Nice post, too.

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Good evening everyone !!! I've been waiting for these shots all day !!!

hf

North 1589

:101012north:

.... and still to be numbered South SR S29E86 (1590 ??)

:101012south:

According to the US dept of Commerce:

Class M 40/40/40
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green
 Quoting: TS66


If those bi polar regions develop, convective energy distribution or not, its got to give us something!
Nice to see you TS hope your day went well!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Leif updated his solar pole strength graph yesterday

[link to www.leif.org] (on the left)

Dashed lines = actual pole strength estimate. Ignore the dashed lines when they are not bounded by solid lines on either side.

As Leif Svalgaard ( [link to scholar.google.com] ) said in an email exchange I just had with him, "the South is rapidly reversing".

Just remember to ignore the dashed line when it's not bound, it's not a predictive mechanism.

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Good evening everyone !!! I've been waiting for these shots all day !!!

hf

North 1589

:101012north:

.... and still to be numbered South SR S29E86 (1590 ??)

:101012south:

According to the US dept of Commerce:

Class M 40/40/40
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green
 Quoting: TS66


If those bi polar regions develop, convective energy distribution or not, its got to give us something!
Nice to see you TS hope your day went well!
 Quoting: shadasonic


Awesome day thanks Shada smile_kiss

Love you all, but I'm trying my best to stay off the pc a little more .... for what's left of my sanity and lumbar !!! LOL

Thank you all for keeping us all updated hf

Good night all, get good rest !!! hf
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Leif updated his solar pole strength graph yesterday

[link to www.leif.org] (on the left)

Dotted lines = actual pole strength estimate. Ignore the dotted lines when they are not bounded by solid lines on either side.

As Leif Svalgaard ( [link to scholar.google.com] ) said in an email exchange I just had with him, "the South is rapidly reversing".

Just remember to ignore the dotted line when it's not bound, it's not a predictive mechanism.
 Quoting: madajs


That is very,very interesting Madajs..Thank you!

Is there a longer graph that shows prior to 2004 that you are aware of,that would be extra handy.

I had just watched S0's Update in which he quickly(always quickly)mentioned that Magnetic South was moving more slugishly thank the North had been but was moving overall toward Australia.
The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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Good evening everyone !!! I've been waiting for these shots all day !!!

hf

North 1589

:101012north:

.... and still to be numbered South SR S29E86 (1590 ??)

:101012south:

According to the US dept of Commerce:

Class M 40/40/40
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green
 Quoting: TS66


If those bi polar regions develop, convective energy distribution or not, its got to give us something!
Nice to see you TS hope your day went well!
 Quoting: shadasonic


Awesome day thanks Shada smile_kiss

Love you all, but I'm trying my best to stay off the pc a little more .... for what's left of my sanity and lumbar !!! LOL

Thank you all for keeping us all updated hf

Good night all, get good rest !!! hf
 Quoting: TS66


Thank you and good night TS!!!
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Leif updated his solar pole strength graph yesterday

[link to www.leif.org] (on the left)

Dotted lines = actual pole strength estimate. Ignore the dotted lines when they are not bounded by solid lines on either side.

As Leif Svalgaard ( [link to scholar.google.com] ) said in an email exchange I just had with him, "the South is rapidly reversing".

Just remember to ignore the dotted line when it's not bound, it's not a predictive mechanism.
 Quoting: madajs


That is very,very interesting Madajs..Thank you!

Is there a longer graph that shows prior to 2004 that you are aware of,that would be extra handy.

I had just watched S0's Update in which he quickly(always quickly)mentioned that Magnetic South was moving more slugishly thank the North had been but was moving overall toward Australia.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium

I believe you are talking about Earth? Whereas my chart link and post refer to the Sun! :)

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Leif updated his solar pole strength graph yesterday

[link to www.leif.org] (on the left)

Dotted lines = actual pole strength estimate. Ignore the dotted lines when they are not bounded by solid lines on either side.

As Leif Svalgaard ( [link to scholar.google.com] ) said in an email exchange I just had with him, "the South is rapidly reversing".

Just remember to ignore the dotted line when it's not bound, it's not a predictive mechanism.
 Quoting: madajs


That is very,very interesting Madajs..Thank you!

Is there a longer graph that shows prior to 2004 that you are aware of,that would be extra handy.

I had just watched S0's Update in which he quickly(always quickly)mentioned that Magnetic South was moving more slugishly thank the North had been but was moving overall toward Australia.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium

I believe you are talking about Earth? Whereas my chart link and post refer to the Sun! :)
 Quoting: madajs


Ahhaaa!!

Yes,I was..That would explain why I was thinking it looked very rapid and certain from 2004 >

Makes more sense.

Plonker.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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morning/evening yall.
lets see what today/tonight shall bring!

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evening/morning to you, NR88. how are things down under?
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G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
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I'm still thinking about this [link to www.solen.info] You can see the size and shape/location of the recurrent Coronal Hole 536 which matches perfectly the huge structure on the North-Everywhere here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] - The shield like structure fully extends even further South,you can see this here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

All in all,it is bloody massive and any event that happens within the area of CH536 will be amplified by the associated High Speed Stream.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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evening/morning to you, NR88. how are things down under?
 Quoting: mtn_mang


good mate-very busy in my field...which is good in one way (making money) but bad in the fact that i dont have enough time for research or prepping as much as i would like.
Big move coming up for me in around a month- moving across the country from western aus to toowoomba in qld!
various reasons-one of which is getting to higher ground/better prepping country!
Peace Mang
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Leif updated his solar pole strength graph yesterday

[link to www.leif.org] (on the left)

Dashed lines = actual pole strength estimate. Ignore the dashed lines when they are not bounded by solid lines on either side.

As Leif Svalgaard ( [link to scholar.google.com] ) said in an email exchange I just had with him, "the South is rapidly reversing".

Just remember to ignore the dashed line when it's not bound, it's not a predictive mechanism.
 Quoting: madajs


[link to scholar.google.com]

What an excellent site and great information. I had thought it was almost complete,but I guess its in its final cycle inflation. This is excellent news Madajs! Now north seems lacking motivation? I had a colleague tell me the end of november through february 2013 would be the final cycle max, but he gets info and has predominately the same sources I do, maybe he has his own solar group.lol
Thanks much for this !



note: not the final cycle, just the finale of this one
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Good Morning Nerdsun
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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I'm still thinking about this [link to www.solen.info] You can see the size and shape/location of the recurrent Coronal Hole 536 which matches perfectly the huge structure on the North-Everywhere here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] - The shield like structure fully extends even further South,you can see this here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

All in all,it is bloody massive and any event that happens within the area of CH536 will be amplified by the associated High Speed Stream.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


i was just thinking the same SC..like having extra powder in your rifle round!
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G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


hey jeff. same here, hope the sun keeps up with the fireworks. tomorrow is my 'official' one-year with GLP.

what a great year, I've never felt so suspicious and paranoid in my life, lmao!
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evening/morning to you, NR88. how are things down under?
 Quoting: mtn_mang


good mate-very busy in my field...which is good in one way (making money) but bad in the fact that i dont have enough time for research or prepping as much as i would like.
Big move coming up for me in around a month- moving across the country from western aus to toowoomba in qld!
various reasons-one of which is getting to higher ground/better prepping country!
Peace Mang
 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Good for you and the best of luck. I've prepped pretty good, but realize now after months of zombie like motivation I've got work left to do. Seems all of a sudden I woke up again! Very weird feelings about this, but for a different thread. Peace mate!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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I'm still thinking about this [link to www.solen.info] You can see the size and shape/location of the recurrent Coronal Hole 536 which matches perfectly the huge structure on the North-Everywhere here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] - The shield like structure fully extends even further South,you can see this here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

All in all,it is bloody massive and any event that happens within the area of CH536 will be amplified by the associated High Speed Stream.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


i was just thinking the same SC..like having extra powder in your rifle round!
 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Exactly.

I'm off to make a Cwaffee.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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Leif updated his solar pole strength graph yesterday

[link to www.leif.org] (on the left)

Dotted lines = actual pole strength estimate. Ignore the dotted lines when they are not bounded by solid lines on either side.

As Leif Svalgaard ( [link to scholar.google.com] ) said in an email exchange I just had with him, "the South is rapidly reversing".

Just remember to ignore the dotted line when it's not bound, it's not a predictive mechanism.
 Quoting: madajs


That is very,very interesting Madajs..Thank you!

Is there a longer graph that shows prior to 2004 that you are aware of,that would be extra handy.

I had just watched S0's Update in which he quickly(always quickly)mentioned that Magnetic South was moving more slugishly thank the North had been but was moving overall toward Australia.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium

I believe you are talking about Earth? Whereas my chart link and post refer to the Sun! :)
 Quoting: madajs


Ahhaaa!!

Yes,I was..That would explain why I was thinking it looked very rapid and certain from 2004 >

Makes more sense.

Plonker.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Too funny, done that many times. Once argued with Astro for about ten posts on proton absorption when the conversation had switched while I was away. Its all good!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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evening/morning to you, NR88. how are things down under?
 Quoting: mtn_mang


good mate-very busy in my field...which is good in one way (making money) but bad in the fact that i dont have enough time for research or prepping as much as i would like.
Big move coming up for me in around a month- moving across the country from western aus to toowoomba in qld!
various reasons-one of which is getting to higher ground/better prepping country!
Peace Mang
 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Good for you and the best of luck. I've prepped pretty good, but realize now after months of zombie like motivation I've got work left to do. Seems all of a sudden I woke up again! Very weird feelings about this, but for a different thread. Peace mate!
 Quoting: shadasonic


thanks Shada- you too. i have alot of preps done- but need a better location. your doing a great job here champ, keep up the good work!
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G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


hey jeff. same here, hope the sun keeps up with the fireworks. tomorrow is my 'official' one-year with GLP.

what a great year, I've never felt so suspicious and paranoid in my life, lmao!
 Quoting: mtn_mang


It happens, spent three years here as an AC, before I reallized I needed to get more involved. After my first year here I was sure Elenin was going to kill the majority of us and almost sold all my belongings. It takes alot to get me really freaked out now and honestly if I thought an ELE was on the way, I'm ready mind and SOUL! Don't hold me to that last comment . LOL
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


hey jeff. same here, hope the sun keeps up with the fireworks. tomorrow is my 'official' one-year with GLP.

what a great year, I've never felt so suspicious and paranoid in my life, lmao!
 Quoting: mtn_mang


It happens, spent three years here as an AC, before I reallized I needed to get more involved. After my first year here I was sure Elenin was going to kill the majority of us and almost sold all my belongings. It takes alot to get me really freaked out now and honestly if I thought an ELE was on the way, I'm ready mind and SOUL! Don't hold me to that last comment . LOL
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lol! shada, i'll admit I bought into some of that Elenin shit. Even broke down on a camping trip with a friend we ate acid and I kept saying "I dont wanna know what happens!"

glad I got all that crap out of my system, nothing but the most addictive and dangerous drugs for me now. Nicotine and alcohol haha
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G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


hey jeff. same here, hope the sun keeps up with the fireworks. tomorrow is my 'official' one-year with GLP.

what a great year, I've never felt so suspicious and paranoid in my life, lmao!
 Quoting: mtn_mang


It happens, spent three years here as an AC, before I reallized I needed to get more involved. After my first year here I was sure Elenin was going to kill the majority of us and almost sold all my belongings. It takes alot to get me really freaked out now and honestly if I thought an ELE was on the way, I'm ready mind and SOUL! Don't hold me to that last comment . LOL
 Quoting: shadasonic


Wow!

I'm sorry Elenin shit done that to you Shada - Biggest Astronomical Psy-Op of the Century.

Though,it served a purpose.
The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


hey jeff. same here, hope the sun keeps up with the fireworks. tomorrow is my 'official' one-year with GLP.

what a great year, I've never felt so suspicious and paranoid in my life, lmao!
 Quoting: mtn_mang


It happens, spent three years here as an AC, before I reallized I needed to get more involved. After my first year here I was sure Elenin was going to kill the majority of us and almost sold all my belongings. It takes alot to get me really freaked out now and honestly if I thought an ELE was on the way, I'm ready mind and SOUL! Don't hold me to that last comment . LOL
 Quoting: shadasonic


lol! shada, i'll admit I bought into some of that Elenin shit. Even broke down on a camping trip with a friend we ate acid and I kept saying "I dont wanna know what happens!"

glad I got all that crap out of my system, nothing but the most addictive and dangerous drugs for me now. Nicotine and alcohol haha
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Sure you're aware of the Song then -

[link to www.youtube.com]
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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A good tune indeed, SC.

Thank you for sharing hf

Love ya, Bro!

edit: i actually call em 'cigrits', lol

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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
G'Day Nerd & Mang!
I hope to hang for a while tonight. Doing some biz and watching a movie. Sol has been active and I hope to see more. Good to see you and and all others, as well.
 Quoting: AkivaJeff


hey jeff. same here, hope the sun keeps up with the fireworks. tomorrow is my 'official' one-year with GLP.

what a great year, I've never felt so suspicious and paranoid in my life, lmao!
 Quoting: mtn_mang


cruise

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