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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
Hugh M Eye

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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
As you no doubt know, the STEREO craft are moving further and further behind the sun. A year ago they were nearly at right angles to SOHO's position, here's where they are now-


Hugh, forgive my ignorance but no I did not know this. Why would they move behind the sun? Why are they not always positioned at the angles of the sun? Is there a reason for this?
Please don't attack me for my question.

Thanks in advance.
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Hi, Mia, one is in front of Earth in orbit around the sun (Ahead) and the other is lagging Behind Earth in orbit. They don't travel at the same speed as Earth, so they are drifting further away around the sun and 2015 they will pass each other behind the sun as they move to opposite sides where they are now. You can play around with the orbit tool at the link I posted earlier and see it clearly.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
Was there a CME from 1618?
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Who knows? I think STEREO is shut down for the day, LOL. Anyway, here's a recent magnetogram of 1618 as it displays a growing complexity of fields-

:1618magneto:
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
Space Weather Message Code: ALTK04
Serial Number: 1620
Issue Time: 2012 Nov 20 2004 UTC

ALERT: Geomagnetic K-index of 4
Threshold Reached: 2012 Nov 20 1958 UTC
Synoptic Period: 1800-2100 UTC
Active Warning: Yes

Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 65 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude.
Induced Currents - Weak power grid fluctuations can occur.
Aurora - Aurora may be visible at high latitudes such as Canada and Alaska.
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

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[link to www.n3kl.org] we got something here no?
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where did the new M flare come from?
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Was there a CME from 1618?
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Who knows? I think STEREO is shut down for the day, LOL. Anyway, here's a recent magnetogram of 1618 as it displays a growing complexity of fields-

:1618magneto:
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


Thing just keeps growing and seems that every time we get action, STEREO goes to sleep
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where did the new M flare come from?
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One on the backside 1611 I think it was and the last one from 1618 fully facing us.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
[link to www.n3kl.org] we got something here no?
 Quoting: Luisport


this is the cme arriving?
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Does anyone know what this predicted CME arrival is about? This was issued early today before the big events started. Was there another CME yesterday that I missed?

Event Issue Date: 2012-11-20 09:55:29.0 GMT
CME Arrival Time: 2012-11-23 04:26:06.0 GMT

Arival Time Confidence Level: ± 6 hours
Disturbance Duration: 8 hours
Disturbance Duration Confidence Level: ± 8 hours
Magnetopause Standoff Distance: 5.3 Re

Also has anyone noticed how the 5-minute x-ray graph has reversed the colors? Anyhow, we can see the increased activity over the past 3 days:

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Today's CME should also be arriving on the 23rd-

:11/23incoming:

Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 11/20/2012 04:28 PM
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[link to www.n3kl.org] we got something here no?
 Quoting: Luisport


this is the cme arriving?
 Quoting: Luisport


Minor geomagnetic disturbance possibly caused by the big eruption Friday on the east limb. Glancing blow at Earth was expected last night.

Event Issue Date: 2012-11-16 09:12:16.0 GMT
CME Arrival Time: 2012-11-19 21:51:38.0 GMT
Arival Time Confidence Level: ± 6 hours
Disturbance Duration: 17 hours

Disturbance Duration Confidence Level: ± 8 hours
Magnetopause Standoff Distance: 6.5 Re
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
where did the new M flare come from?
 Quoting: Nacht im Walde


One on the backside 1611 I think it was and the last one from 1618 fully facing us.
 Quoting: whiteangel


was just posted on solarham:

Sunspot 1618 continues to expand in the northern hemisphere and is currently producing C-Class Solar flares. This region did also just produce a moderate M1.6 solar flare at 19:28 UTC Tuesday afternoon. This region could produce a stronger solar flare within the next 12-24 hours.

really fast growing spot atm
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
SIDC seems to echo what I've been saying here:


COMMENT: NOAA ARs 1618 evolved into a beta gamma configuration and
produced several C-class flares, together with NOAA AR 1619. At 12:09
UT, SECCHI/COR2 on STEREO Ahead shows signs of what could possibly be an
Earth directed CME that erupted from/close to NOAA AR 1619. Shortly
after that, an M1.7 flare peaked at 12:41 UT. There is not enough data

yet in order to provide more information. NOAA AR 1618 has potential for
producing M-class flares. Geomagnetic conditions are quiet and expected
to remain so.

[link to sidc.oma.be]

Well they may have been wrong about the quiet geomagnetic conditions.

SEEDS STEREO Ahead movie of CME:

[link to spaceweather.gmu.edu]
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
Here is Solarhams cme prediction model



[link to solarham.net]
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
I don't know if this is the same run as the one that shad posted earlier, but anyways here's the cygnet enlil model of a large geoffective CME [link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] (surely related to the activity hugh has been posting about etc.)
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Back on now and thats the one I was waiting for,bingo!
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Here is Solarhams cme prediction model



[link to solarham.net]
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#

Just noticed that too, was checking for that to update. Shall be an interesting day :)

Edit: I have to say, looking at the circular and wedge plots for geoeffective enlil above, this looks like one of the messier ejection events i've seen of late. I see about 4 different waves (two of which will hit us). Throw in a solar wind stream to boot. No wonder the velocity prediction is so bumpy.

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I believe its on now, energy shifting SS activation our way, and we've got decent SS backside . We could get very busy!
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If you guys who know this stuff and observe it everyday are interested, then I can't help but be fascinated. I know it's still early - but any predictions about the effect it will have?
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I believe its on now, energy shifting SS activation our way, and we've got decent SS backside . We could get very busy!
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oh no, and they are giving another 48 reprieve on the bans...uuggghhhh
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If you guys who know this stuff and observe it everyday are interested, then I can't help but be fascinated. I know it's still early - but any predictions about the effect it will have?
 Quoting: Rising Son

Weather predictions are always kind of futile, be that space weather or regular weather haha. This one doesn't look particularly dense (the part that's predicted to hit us, anyways) or fast, but it does look very complex. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a G2 storm out of it.

We won't know how hostile the polarity of it is until it hits ;)

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If you guys who know this stuff and observe it everyday are interested, then I can't help but be fascinated. I know it's still early - but any predictions about the effect it will have?
 Quoting: Rising Son

Weather predictions are always kind of futile, be that space weather or regular weather haha. This one doesn't look particularly dense (the part that's predicted to hit us, anyways) or fast, but it does look very complex. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a G2 storm out of it.

We won't know how hostile the polarity of it is until it hits ;)

popcorn
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Its nice to be working with decent storms again, lets pray they stay nice, imagine if they all come around the corner and develop like 1618 has.
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I count 4 definite CME's [link to sdodata.oma.be] .



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Edit:fuck it,doesn't matter.

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It will be interesting to see what 1620 does being in the southern hemisphere.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
Here is Solarhams cme prediction model



[link to solarham.net]
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#

Just noticed that too, was checking for that to update. Shall be an interesting day :)

Edit: I have to say, looking at the circular and wedge plots for geoeffective enlil above, this looks like one of the messier ejection events i've seen of late. I see about 4 different waves (two of which will hit us). Throw in a solar wind stream to boot. No wonder the velocity prediction is so bumpy.
 Quoting: madajs


What if instead of Black Friday we have BLACKOUT FRIDAY. Jes sayin', LOL.

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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
A cacophony of CME's - One on the Top-Left that me and Isis were discussing earlier that had already been going for around 7 Hours without separating from the Corona fully is still slowly flying away and the 1/2 earlier CME's that look like Type III/IV Halos and will be Geo-effective [link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov] .

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 11/20/2012 05:53 PM
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sunspots at 60 degress west longitude is the place to watch, according to NASA

proton storm can arrive in 30 minutes if originating from 60deg west long


A New Kind of Solar Storm (well, 2005)

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It appears that Filament has set off a cascade within 1613,1614,1618 and 1619 [link to sdodata.oma.be] you can notice a drastic change in their relative Temps. - Also 1613 looks ready to expel pretty soon [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] as does the area and Filament around 1614.

A nice climb in X-Rays [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] something is gonna' have to give!
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


It certainly did!

Super Hot [link to sdodata.oma.be] .
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[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] 1611 even : )

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A cacophony of CME's - One on the Top-Left that me and Isis were discussing earlier that had already been going for around 7 Hours without separating from the Corona fully is still slowly flying away and the 1/2 earlier CME's that look like Type III/IV Halos and will be Geo-effective [link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov] .
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


The CME I mentioned that Isis and I were discussing that was/is super slow can be seen here [link to www.sidc.oma.be] at 11 on the Dial and beginning at 11:00(though it began even earlier and took forever to leave)here it is again,still not really moving [link to www.sidc.oma.be] and still [link to www.sidc.oma.be] and [link to www.sidc.oma.be] and slowly begins to 'let go' [link to www.sidc.oma.be] Basically,a very slow,long,strange event.
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
1618 has been relegated back to Beta-Gamma from Beta-Gamma-Delta earlier,not sure if I agree but Solen are usually pretty spot on with their classifications [link to www.solen.info] though not always too up on spotting Earthbound Ejections.

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 11/20/2012 06:29 PM
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Side issue but is'nt the Calender everyone thinks Mayan is actually the Aztec Calendar!?
The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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