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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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Check out latest SDO 171 10/11 o'clock position.
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The CME in your first stereo image is stereo behind, so when applying it to the 171 SDO image you have to reverse it.

The CME should have originated from the right (west) side of SDO as you are viewing it rather than the left as viewing it, although the latest SDO 171 image is definitely showing some activity to the left (east) in the 10-11 oclock position hf

I cannot find the origins of the CME you posted from stereo behind on the earth facing images of the sun, or GOES, so one would have to assume, a farside event.
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I agree with SO, the southern filaments seem to be just hanging precariously ...

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You can see what I'm talking about here, bottom left corner of the image. That is not an artifact.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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You can see what I'm talking about here, bottom left corner of the image. That is not an artifact.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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heck I thought you were talking about the black object right by the sun at 9 or so position. I missed what you were actually talking about.
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You can see what I'm talking about here, bottom left corner of the image. That is not an artifact.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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heck I thought you were talking about the black object right by the sun at 9 or so position. I missed what you were actually talking about.
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I had no idea either .... let me look at a couple other filters.

Do you know at what time you first noticed it (time stamp on image)
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Well it seems to be gone now, but you can see it clearly moving around at :
13:36
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

13:46
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13:56
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.... and gone at 14:06
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I just 1dunno1

Nice catch AC hf
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1300ish. I'm often seeing more than one of them in the images, check out the 7 to 12 o'clock position on latest SDO 131 and 171.. I swear that I'm seeing the exact same shape and object, if not a different one that looks identical, from all solar observatories located in one place or another on the images. It looks like a sphere with a bilateral protruding "stripe", like if you were to take a ball and wrap a thick layer of tape in a single line over and over again to make a stripe then rotated the ball 90 degrees and did one perpendicular as well, with circular indents dished in to it's surface that are within one of more of the 8 "quadrants".
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I swear I've seen the exact same shape before as well. In some instances, it almost looks like it's transparent, and all you're seeing is the matter that's passing over it contour to it's shape. Finding this really, really amazing.. I'm pretty damn good at image analysis and determining what is an image artifact or compression error and what is not and this really has me blown away. Just looking at it on SDO and comparing it to what is or was on STEREO should confirm that it was not an anomaly.
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Perhaps look at what you first identified as a CME on Stereo again :o) Still there, BTW..hasn't updated with fresh data yet.
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1300ish. I'm often seeing more than one of them in the images, check out the 7 to 12 o'clock position on latest SDO 131 and 171.. I swear that I'm seeing the exact same shape and object, if not a different one that looks identical, from all solar observatories located in one place or another on the images. It looks like a sphere with a bilateral protruding "stripe", like if you were to take a ball and wrap a thick layer of tape in a single line over and over again to make a stripe then rotated the ball 90 degrees and did one perpendicular as well, with circular indents dished in to it's surface that are within one of more of the 8 "quadrants".
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Here is the link to the images for December 2nd. Please post the image you are referring to ....

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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(on the COR2, I meant..)
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(on the COR2, I meant..)
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On the first image, all I see is a CME ... help me out here.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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As far as the EUVI Stereo, the only link I posted to the 195 is the best one I've seen, but there's so much compression on those prelim data images that the EUVI Stereo is not the best source of the images.. you can see it on the COR2 images, and either that CME inexplicably has the same structural features as what I'm also seeing on SDO (and still is there) or it's not a CME, IMO. One sec, I'm snipping some image segments to explain.
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[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Here's stereo A just a couple minutes before 13:00 at 12:54, looks like a CME ... I apologize, it's so hard to explain things to me without visuals ...
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Good morning all.
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Morning Shenue hf
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No problem, no need to apologize :0)

OK-

Here are several cropped segments, all color SDO are from today 1300-1400ish JPEG source, the BW ones are from an extremely high quality 32MB FITS RAW data from last week (i'll grab the time/date after this mesg.) at different gammas to help see the detail of this structure, so color and BW are totally different days and the two small ones are from SDO 171 today as well, same images as larger color ones but different objects altogether, the two small ones are one after the other in data sequence and you can see that it doesn't really move much, surrounding plasma moving much more in comparison.



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And I see strong similarities to this.. this just doesn't look like a CME to me..

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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I mean, look at the symmetrical structure.. and notice that there's no plasma trail from it at all, if you look carefully.. and the same shape (to my eye) as the stationary objects in the SDO images..
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And I see strong similarities to this.. this just doesn't look like a CME to me..

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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so are you now talking about the image at the 9/10 position???
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Sorry I've just been typing this quickly while trying to explain my thoughts on something that is difficult to verbalize so it's not coming out looking like inner voice is meaning.. sounding a bit cold when I read it back.. not my intent :o) Just trying to explain something that I see, totally could be wrong about all this but wanted to share what I've noticed, sometimes you can see something right in front of you the same way over and over and have it look the same until you are given an idea that lets you see it completely differently, and realize that there's a whole other level of structural organization or lattice that also exists at the same time but in a completely different visual layer that changes everything in how you see it.. figuring this I decided to share what I'm seeing in the case that maybe someone else has been seeing the same thing but never brought it up until now, like I did..
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I mean, look at the symmetrical structure.. and notice that there's no plasma trail from it at all, if you look carefully.. and the same shape (to my eye) as the stationary objects in the SDO images..
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Well I can see what your talking about, the resulting orb, although I can't give even a good (un)educated guess of what it may be. Possibly a coronal cavity within the CME ??? The objects you pointed out on 171 seem different to me.

All I can do at this point is acknowledge what you saw, and say I just don't know.

It certainly would be much easier if there were an earth facing flare associated with it (at least for a CME theory), but there isn't.

Hopefully someone will come along that can give you more verysad
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I'm saying that if that is a CME, at 9-10, then it has the same bilateral segmented shape as the SDO (which are def. not CME's, relatively stationary and non expanding objects often holding their place for hours) images that I also posted.. it certainly looks like a CME since it's getting larger in the frame as time goes on, and appears to be made of plasma, and it certainly could be a CME.. but to me it seems like it's far more symmetrical, geometrically complex and regular than any CME I've ever seen, along with the lack of residual tail.. going back to the first images it's visible as leaving the sun it's structure really doesn't change, stretch or distort like any other CME I've seen does, it just looks like it's getting bigger/closer in the images without any of the other expected factors..
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Thank you TS66 for your input!! :o) I have a huge amount of respect for you, SC, NIN and everyone else and appreciate your time in trying to see what I'm seeing :o)
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I'm saying that if that is a CME, at 9-10, then it has the same bilateral segmented shape as the SDO (which are def. not CME's, relatively stationary and non expanding objects often holding their place for hours) images that I also posted.. it certainly looks like a CME since it's getting larger in the frame as time goes on, and appears to be made of plasma, and it certainly could be a CME.. but to me it seems like it's far more symmetrical, geometrically complex and regular than any CME I've ever seen, along with the lack of residual tail.. going back to the first images it's visible as leaving the sun it's structure really doesn't change, stretch or distort like any other CME I've seen does, it just looks like it's getting bigger/closer in the images without any of the other expected factors..
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Yes I see what appears to be a secondary "explosion" from the ejecta, after the primary regardless of what created it. I am second guessing myself at this point, because I don't think I have ever looked this closely at a CME as it erupts from the surface of the sun, just that it is and has. However, now that I have, because of you, it gives me a good reference point in the future, and for that I thank you hf
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Australia unveils telescope to warn of solar flares
Australia has unveiled a new radio telescope in the remote outback that will give the world a vastly improved view of the sun and much faster warnings on massive solar storms.
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You can see what I'm talking about here, bottom left corner of the image. That is not an artifact.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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heck I thought you were talking about the black object right by the sun at 9 or so position. I missed what you were actually talking about.
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I've seen shots with over a dozen of these present,makes you wonder. There have been many threads about these anomalies. There was atime about ayear ago where they were present for over a week

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Well,this [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] looks like a strange Mass Ejection?
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That thing doesn't look like a normal event. Look at the detail of it.. you can see on SDO it's not really moving anywhere.
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I felt for a few weeks now, sun was going to produce a new planetary body, this looks like a good candidate. Great catch AC, come here often?
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