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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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My bad lol I meant happy 2013 everybody!!!beer2
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Hugh, awesome commemoration of Sol 2012!! Much appreciated hf
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Here is a clip about our sun; it certainly blew me away to see how small it is in comparison to these monster stars.



Oh Happy New Year, sunniest sun people. peace
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Here is a clip about our sun; it certainly blew me away to see how small it is in comparison to these monster stars.



Oh Happy New Year, sunniest sun people. peace
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awesome sounds! there's no way their barycenters, magnetics and gravitational forces can't be affecting our solar system big time in ways we probably haven't even begun to imagine let alone understand.
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Here is a clip about our sun; it certainly blew me away to see how small it is in comparison to these monster stars.



Oh Happy New Year, sunniest sun people. peace
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OMG!!! Look how big those other stars are compared to our sun???!!! Pretty crazy indeed.
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Hugh, awesome commemoration of Sol 2012!! Much appreciated hf
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Yeah thanks for sharing Hugh!
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Good morning and a big Happy New Year to everyone!
I stayed up all night to see where the sun went. Then it dawned on me.
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Hugh, awesome commemoration of Sol 2012!! Much appreciated hf
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Hugh, I agree with Isis One! A big big thanks for that!
I stayed up all night to see where the sun went. Then it dawned on me.
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Hugh, awesome commemoration of Sol 2012!! Much appreciated hf
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Yeah thanks for sharing Hugh!
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Ditto! Great job Hugh. I truly appreciated the year in review. Here's to 2013 may it be happy & healthy for all!
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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
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hny

sunhf

Hope you all had a great evening!

Hugh,you picked some badass events to post above Bro' - Totally Awesome.

happynewyear
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
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i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.

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hny

sunhf

Hope you all had a great evening!

Hugh,you picked some badass events to post above Bro' - Totally Awesome.

happynewyear
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Happy New Year to all!!!
I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.

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i can not run long video cable in parallel with the feeder cables (the main power line for the whole show) back in the day we sent analog, or a varying voltage, to control the red. blue, and green levels. we now use fiber and other digital means so any unwanted electrons do not effect the 0 or 1 of the digital signal.

i have seen just how these electromagnetic fields can and will mess things up.
just put it at a much higher level and all transmission line could never be cut off to render them unaffected.
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one of my fav's from last year

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i just wonder when this sun lethargy will end... yeahsure
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and the root to what might have been our largest debate which may have never been resolved.


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i just wonder when this sun lethargy will end... yeahsure
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or when this will not just happen non earth facing!


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how can we forget this CME!

if it was earth directed...well....i would not be making this post, would i?


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yes old sol can dance....


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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31268734

i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Thanks, Psyoptics, you're correct about the ground currents. There have been plans proposed (by the Nat'l Science Foundation I believe) for Ground Induced Currents (GICs) mitigation, but I'm certain that they were never funded or implemented. A big concern is nuclear generating plants which can't be shut down quickly. Geomagnetic substorms are unpredictable and GICs can spike wildly without warning.

Some interesting rainy-day reading if you have the time are these two PDFs on the potential effects of Geomagnetic Storms. The first a paper on SOLAR STORM THREAT ANALYSIS and covers a wide-ranging field of topics in very accessible language:
[link to www.breadandbutterscience.com]

The second focuses exclusively on the power grid question and was prepared for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory:
[link to www.fas.org]

Here's a sample from the first paper-


GICs can cause transformers to be driven into half-cycle saturation where the core of the transformer is magnetically saturate on alternate half-cycles. Only a few amperes are needed to disrupt transformer operations. A GIC level induced voltage of 1 to 2 volts per kilometer and 5 amperes in the neutral of the high-voltage windings is sufficient to drive grounded wye-connected distribution transformers into saturation in a second or less. During geomagnetic storms, GIC currents as high as 184 amps have been measured in the United States in the neutral leg of transformers. The largest GIC measured thus far was 270 amperes during a geomagnetic storm in Southern Sweden on April 6, 2000.

If transformer half-cycle saturation is allowed to continue, stray flux can enter the transformer structural tank members and current windings. Localized hot spots can develop quickly inside the transformers tank as temperatures rise hundreds of degrees within a few minutes. Temperature spikes as high as 750° F have been measured. As transformers switches 60 times per second between being saturated and unsaturated, the normal hum of a transformer becomes a raucous, cracking whine. Regions of opposed magnetism as big as a fist in the core steel plates crash about and vibrate the 100-ton transformers which are nearly the size of a small house. This punishment can go on for hours for the duration of the geomagnetic storm.
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What a wonderfull group of people. We're blessed to be here sharing our ideas,science, and heartfelt tales. May the new year bring us closer to a countdown of coherance,and much needed worldwide awareness to all we have, and what we could lose.
Lets hope Sol finds its stride and we as a
race find ours!
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wonderfully said!

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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31268734

i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Thanks, Psyoptics, you're correct about the ground currents. There have been plans proposed (by the Nat'l Science Foundation I believe) for Ground Induced Currents (GICs) mitigation, but I'm certain that they were never funded or implemented. A big concern is nuclear generating plants which can't be shut down quickly. Geomagnetic substorms are unpredictable and GICs can spike wildly without warning.

Some interesting rainy-day reading if you have the time are these two PDFs on the potential effects of Geomagnetic Storms. The first a paper on SOLAR STORM THREAT ANALYSIS and covers a wide-ranging field of topics in very accessible language:
[link to www.breadandbutterscience.com]

The second focuses exclusively on the power grid question and was prepared for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory:
[link to www.fas.org]

Here's a sample from the first paper-


GICs can cause transformers to be driven into half-cycle saturation where the core of the transformer is magnetically saturate on alternate half-cycles. Only a few amperes are needed to disrupt transformer operations. A GIC level induced voltage of 1 to 2 volts per kilometer and 5 amperes in the neutral of the high-voltage windings is sufficient to drive grounded wye-connected distribution transformers into saturation in a second or less. During geomagnetic storms, GIC currents as high as 184 amps have been measured in the United States in the neutral leg of transformers. The largest GIC measured thus far was 270 amperes during a geomagnetic storm in Southern Sweden on April 6, 2000.

If transformer half-cycle saturation is allowed to continue, stray flux can enter the transformer structural tank members and current windings. Localized hot spots can develop quickly inside the transformers tank as temperatures rise hundreds of degrees within a few minutes. Temperature spikes as high as 750° F have been measured. As transformers switches 60 times per second between being saturated and unsaturated, the normal hum of a transformer becomes a raucous, cracking whine. Regions of opposed magnetism as big as a fist in the core steel plates crash about and vibrate the 100-ton transformers which are nearly the size of a small house. This punishment can go on for hours for the duration of the geomagnetic storm.
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


just make this very clear how screwed we would be.
EVERY FREAKING TRANSFORMER IN THE WORLDS ELECTRIC GRIDS....ARE CONNECTED TO GROUND!

THIS IS HOW THEY TAKE THE DELTA POWER FROM THE GENERATORS/SUBSTATIONS AND CREATE THE NEUTRAL
the return for the excess electron that are not returning by the A/B/C/ hot legs.
there is no neutral sent from power station.

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one a side note.
the electricity does not flow from the "+" side but the "-" side.
so a generator is not creating electrons but the the need for them.
the earth has them.....ergo ...the term EARTH ground.
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Psyoptics...love the vids!

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Happy 2013!!! This thread and all of the people here are great!!!!!!!
SO for today: [link to youtu.be]
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Happy 2013!!! This thread and all of the people here are great!!!!!!!
SO for today: [link to youtu.be]
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A new sunspot has come over in the NE, but I don't think this is the guy making all the noise lately. Looks to be more active regions following behind this one. AR1640 has been growing and maturing overnight and it's now the brightest area on the EVE X-ray images.
[link to lasp.colorado.edu]

Latest Color Intensitygram:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest Magnetogram:

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AR1640-
:1/1-1640:

1640 Magnetogram-
:1/1-1640mag:
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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
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i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Thank you psy
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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
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i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Thank you psy
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And Hugh -thanks also -that was a big help


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