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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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how can we forget this CME!

if it was earth directed...well....i would not be making this post, would i?


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yes old sol can dance....


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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31268734

i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
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Thanks, Psyoptics, you're correct about the ground currents. There have been plans proposed (by the Nat'l Science Foundation I believe) for Ground Induced Currents (GICs) mitigation, but I'm certain that they were never funded or implemented. A big concern is nuclear generating plants which can't be shut down quickly. Geomagnetic substorms are unpredictable and GICs can spike wildly without warning.

Some interesting rainy-day reading if you have the time are these two PDFs on the potential effects of Geomagnetic Storms. The first a paper on SOLAR STORM THREAT ANALYSIS and covers a wide-ranging field of topics in very accessible language:
[link to www.breadandbutterscience.com]

The second focuses exclusively on the power grid question and was prepared for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory:
[link to www.fas.org]

Here's a sample from the first paper-


GICs can cause transformers to be driven into half-cycle saturation where the core of the transformer is magnetically saturate on alternate half-cycles. Only a few amperes are needed to disrupt transformer operations. A GIC level induced voltage of 1 to 2 volts per kilometer and 5 amperes in the neutral of the high-voltage windings is sufficient to drive grounded wye-connected distribution transformers into saturation in a second or less. During geomagnetic storms, GIC currents as high as 184 amps have been measured in the United States in the neutral leg of transformers. The largest GIC measured thus far was 270 amperes during a geomagnetic storm in Southern Sweden on April 6, 2000.

If transformer half-cycle saturation is allowed to continue, stray flux can enter the transformer structural tank members and current windings. Localized hot spots can develop quickly inside the transformers tank as temperatures rise hundreds of degrees within a few minutes. Temperature spikes as high as 750° F have been measured. As transformers switches 60 times per second between being saturated and unsaturated, the normal hum of a transformer becomes a raucous, cracking whine. Regions of opposed magnetism as big as a fist in the core steel plates crash about and vibrate the 100-ton transformers which are nearly the size of a small house. This punishment can go on for hours for the duration of the geomagnetic storm.
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What a wonderfull group of people. We're blessed to be here sharing our ideas,science, and heartfelt tales. May the new year bring us closer to a countdown of coherance,and much needed worldwide awareness to all we have, and what we could lose.
Lets hope Sol finds its stride and we as a
race find ours!
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wonderfully said!

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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31268734

i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
 Quoting: psyoptics


Thanks, Psyoptics, you're correct about the ground currents. There have been plans proposed (by the Nat'l Science Foundation I believe) for Ground Induced Currents (GICs) mitigation, but I'm certain that they were never funded or implemented. A big concern is nuclear generating plants which can't be shut down quickly. Geomagnetic substorms are unpredictable and GICs can spike wildly without warning.

Some interesting rainy-day reading if you have the time are these two PDFs on the potential effects of Geomagnetic Storms. The first a paper on SOLAR STORM THREAT ANALYSIS and covers a wide-ranging field of topics in very accessible language:
[link to www.breadandbutterscience.com]

The second focuses exclusively on the power grid question and was prepared for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory:
[link to www.fas.org]

Here's a sample from the first paper-


GICs can cause transformers to be driven into half-cycle saturation where the core of the transformer is magnetically saturate on alternate half-cycles. Only a few amperes are needed to disrupt transformer operations. A GIC level induced voltage of 1 to 2 volts per kilometer and 5 amperes in the neutral of the high-voltage windings is sufficient to drive grounded wye-connected distribution transformers into saturation in a second or less. During geomagnetic storms, GIC currents as high as 184 amps have been measured in the United States in the neutral leg of transformers. The largest GIC measured thus far was 270 amperes during a geomagnetic storm in Southern Sweden on April 6, 2000.

If transformer half-cycle saturation is allowed to continue, stray flux can enter the transformer structural tank members and current windings. Localized hot spots can develop quickly inside the transformers tank as temperatures rise hundreds of degrees within a few minutes. Temperature spikes as high as 750° F have been measured. As transformers switches 60 times per second between being saturated and unsaturated, the normal hum of a transformer becomes a raucous, cracking whine. Regions of opposed magnetism as big as a fist in the core steel plates crash about and vibrate the 100-ton transformers which are nearly the size of a small house. This punishment can go on for hours for the duration of the geomagnetic storm.
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just make this very clear how screwed we would be.
EVERY FREAKING TRANSFORMER IN THE WORLDS ELECTRIC GRIDS....ARE CONNECTED TO GROUND!

THIS IS HOW THEY TAKE THE DELTA POWER FROM THE GENERATORS/SUBSTATIONS AND CREATE THE NEUTRAL
the return for the excess electron that are not returning by the A/B/C/ hot legs.
there is no neutral sent from power station.

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one a side note.
the electricity does not flow from the "+" side but the "-" side.
so a generator is not creating electrons but the the need for them.
the earth has them.....ergo ...the term EARTH ground.
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Psyoptics...love the vids!

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Happy 2013!!! This thread and all of the people here are great!!!!!!!
SO for today: [link to youtu.be]
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Happy 2013!!! This thread and all of the people here are great!!!!!!!
SO for today: [link to youtu.be]
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A new sunspot has come over in the NE, but I don't think this is the guy making all the noise lately. Looks to be more active regions following behind this one. AR1640 has been growing and maturing overnight and it's now the brightest area on the EVE X-ray images.
[link to lasp.colorado.edu]

Latest Color Intensitygram:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest Magnetogram:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

AR1640-
:1/1-1640:

1640 Magnetogram-
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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31268734

i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
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Thank you psy
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A question for Hugh-with regards to a carrington event ,would the electric grid have to be energized in order for the energy from a carrington event to have an effect? My thinking is that of a car battery energizing a system which would be a complete circut and if you disrupt the circut by removing one battery cable then would the system still feel the effects of the energy from a carrington like event ? Thank you and if anyone else has an opinion please feel free to say something
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31268734

i read that many of the telegraphers shut down and disconnected from the transmission lines. this did not stop the wires and poles from burning.

take a coil from a motor and remove the + side from a source.
will it still pick up electrons from a strong electric field?

i think the issue here is the ground level currents.
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Thank you psy
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And Hugh -thanks also -that was a big help
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i can not run long video cable in parallel with the feeder cables (the main power line for the whole show) back in the day we sent analog, or a varying voltage, to control the red. blue, and green levels. we now use fiber and other digital means so any unwanted electrons do not effect the 0 or 1 of the digital signal.

i have seen just how these electromagnetic fields can and will mess things up.
just put it at a much higher level and all transmission line could never be cut off to render them unaffected.
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I will take this comment containing the 0 and 1 "bit" to post this link about digital physics. I was thinking of starting a thread on a discussion of it as I think it is fascinating. However, I don't think only a machine can compute reality, I think a sentient organism can do it. We will all probably be needing to expand the box of how we conceive things and digital physics may be one possible route out.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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and the root to what might have been our largest debate which may have never been resolved.


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So glad you posted this Psy, these fascinate me, here's one from a thread I did. I did not capture the original screen shot of this, this is a later one, the original was as round as your post.

[link to sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net]
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how can we forget this CME!

if it was earth directed...well....i would not be making this post, would i?


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That was a game changer there my friend, I remember exactly when that thing fired!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Psyoptics...love the vids!

:awesome smile:
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...and the discussion!!!
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Happy 2013!!! This thread and all of the people here are great!!!!!!!
SO for today: [link to youtu.be]
cool2
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Oh, very good today, I like his Red and Blue Kachina theory regarding ISON next fall, very interesting.
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Here is a nice little vid of our sun 12-29-12 'til now

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
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just make this very clear how screwed we would be.
EVERY FREAKING TRANSFORMER IN THE WORLDS ELECTRIC GRIDS....ARE CONNECTED TO GROUND!

THIS IS HOW THEY TAKE THE DELTA POWER FROM THE GENERATORS/SUBSTATIONS AND CREATE THE NEUTRAL
the return for the excess electron that are not returning by the A/B/C/ hot legs.
there is no neutral sent from power station.
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psyoptics, do you work in the power industry?
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Be Careful What You Wish For Dept.-

Those Northern Lights can drive ya crazy!-


4. Adverse Effects on Human Judgment and Behavior
Geomagnetic storms appear to affect human behavior, judgments and decisions about risk. Research has documented links to depression, enhanced anxiety, sleep disturbances, altered moods mainly affecting abstract judgment especially judgment of risk, overly cautious behavior, and greater incidences of psychiatric admissions. A study by Kay found a 36.2% increase in male hospital admissions diagnosed with the depressed phase of manic- depressive illness correlated with the second week following geomagnetic storms compared to quiet periods. A study by Novikova and Ryvkin found geomagnetic storm correlates to psychotic outbursts in patients in a Moscow mental institution and to reports of hallucinations. Other studies showed that pilots experienced high levels of anxiety and decreased functional activity of the central nervous system resulting in a sharp decline of flying skills during geomagnetic storms. A study by Kuleshova et al. showed the daily number of hospitalizations of patients with mental disorders during geomagnetic storms nearly doubled when compared to quiet period.

To put a human face on this effect consider the plight of a bright young girl in Ottawa County, Ohio who witnessed first hand the effects of the Great solar storm of September 1-2, 1859.

The Columbus, Ohio Statesman newspaper had run a short article about a sixteen year old girl 'of considerable intelligence and prepossessing appearance', who had been taken into custody by the Sheriff of Ottawa County. Her agitated state necessitated that she be moved to the lunatic asylum. The conclusion drawn from this, and no doubt her utterances, implied that she had become deranged from viewing the aurora borealis a short time ago. She was convinced that all of this spectacular auroral activity meant that the world was soon to come to an end.
-Harpers Weekly, October 8, 1859
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psyoptics, do you work in the power industry?
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i started out as a lighting designer...did a lot of work as a production electrician in the theatre...i was the person who made sure all departments of the show had good and stable power. good grounds. and no interference from say the lighting system to the sound or video. i would have to set up generators.
then i moved into the video area and have been here ever since. my father was an electrical engineer and worked for bell labs.
in my years i have had to trouble shoot many power issues and had to learn much.
little things which could become show stoppers....like ground differential...
say the sound system is feeding from a distro box in front and the video department is tied in in the back....different boxes...sometime have different grounds and transformers.
if you meter the ground from the sound guys to the ground from the video guys i have seen .5 to 1 volt. sometime it just a differential from the ground and the neutral.
now this seems small but it is major in electronics and will cause a ground loop or a 60 Hz hummmm. not good for those sound guys.
but the poor video folks are way screwed. with noise rolling down through the image all night long.

remember all the electrons do come from the ground, or earth.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Those Northern Lights can drive ya crazy!-


4. Adverse Effects on Human Judgment and Behavior
Geomagnetic storms appear to affect human behavior, judgments and decisions about risk. Research has documented links to depression, enhanced anxiety, sleep disturbances, altered moods mainly affecting abstract judgment especially judgment of risk, overly cautious behavior, and greater incidences of psychiatric admissions. A study by Kay found a 36.2% increase in male hospital admissions diagnosed with the depressed phase of manic- depressive illness correlated with the second week following geomagnetic storms compared to quiet periods. A study by Novikova and Ryvkin found geomagnetic storm correlates to psychotic outbursts in patients in a Moscow mental institution and to reports of hallucinations. Other studies showed that pilots experienced high levels of anxiety and decreased functional activity of the central nervous system resulting in a sharp decline of flying skills during geomagnetic storms. A study by Kuleshova et al. showed the daily number of hospitalizations of patients with mental disorders during geomagnetic storms nearly doubled when compared to quiet period.

To put a human face on this effect consider the plight of a bright young girl in Ottawa County, Ohio who witnessed first hand the effects of the Great solar storm of September 1-2, 1859.

The Columbus, Ohio Statesman newspaper had run a short article about a sixteen year old girl 'of considerable intelligence and prepossessing appearance', who had been taken into custody by the Sheriff of Ottawa County. Her agitated state necessitated that she be moved to the lunatic asylum. The conclusion drawn from this, and no doubt her utterances, implied that she had become deranged from viewing the aurora borealis a short time ago. She was convinced that all of this spectacular auroral activity meant that the world was soon to come to an end.
-Harpers Weekly, October 8, 1859
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could this be from freq. and waves reacting in to human mind?
like the experiment with people being removed from the sun and all it freq's. the subjects get ill....then they are ok when these freq's were restored. both by bring the subjects out of the bunker or feed the bunker with those freq's.
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remember all the electrons do come from the ground, or earth.
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THIS IS HOW THEY TAKE THE DELTA POWER FROM THE GENERATORS/SUBSTATIONS AND CREATE THE NEUTRAL
the return for the excess electron that are not returning by the A/B/C/ hot legs.
there is no neutral sent from power station.

I am still not sure what exactly you are saying here???

Are you saying the substations and transformers create the neutral? Then you say the return for the excess electron are not returning....returning from where???

I am assuming that you are stating this because of your electrical experience but I am just not following never being an electrical engineer.
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Those Northern Lights can drive ya crazy!-


4. Adverse Effects on Human Judgment and Behavior
Geomagnetic storms appear to affect human behavior, judgments and decisions about risk. Research has documented links to depression, enhanced anxiety, sleep disturbances, altered moods mainly affecting abstract judgment especially judgment of risk, overly cautious behavior, and greater incidences of psychiatric admissions. A study by Kay found a 36.2% increase in male hospital admissions diagnosed with the depressed phase of manic- depressive illness correlated with the second week following geomagnetic storms compared to quiet periods. A study by Novikova and Ryvkin found geomagnetic storm correlates to psychotic outbursts in patients in a Moscow mental institution and to reports of hallucinations. Other studies showed that pilots experienced high levels of anxiety and decreased functional activity of the central nervous system resulting in a sharp decline of flying skills during geomagnetic storms. A study by Kuleshova et al. showed the daily number of hospitalizations of patients with mental disorders during geomagnetic storms nearly doubled when compared to quiet period.

To put a human face on this effect consider the plight of a bright young girl in Ottawa County, Ohio who witnessed first hand the effects of the Great solar storm of September 1-2, 1859.

The Columbus, Ohio Statesman newspaper had run a short article about a sixteen year old girl 'of considerable intelligence and prepossessing appearance', who had been taken into custody by the Sheriff of Ottawa County. Her agitated state necessitated that she be moved to the lunatic asylum. The conclusion drawn from this, and no doubt her utterances, implied that she had become deranged from viewing the aurora borealis a short time ago. She was convinced that all of this spectacular auroral activity meant that the world was soon to come to an end.
-Harpers Weekly, October 8, 1859
[link to www.breadandbutterscience.com]
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could this be from freq. and waves reacting in to human mind?
like the experiment with people being removed from the sun and all it freq's. the subjects get ill....then they are ok when these freq's were restored. both by bring the subjects out of the bunker or feed the bunker with those freq's.
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pysoptics, this is my home county that I grew up in! I'm trying to remember the details of that story, but I'm not sure I remember it properly. I've read tons of the county history over the years and this is only one weird story! My mom has all the books at her house in OH, so I'm going to have to see if I can find the rest of the story on-line. You've got my "attention" on overdrive trying to remember it!LOL Thanks for the nudge. If I'm remembering right, she wasn't the only one affected at the time. I'll see what I can find.
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Y2K+13=A delayed millennium bug.

SDO webservers not updating now. Great time for a mega-flare, LOL.

[link to sdoisgo.blogspot.com]

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Y2K+13=A delayed millennium bug.

SDO webservers not updating now. Great time for a mega-flare, LOL.

[link to sdoisgo.blogspot.com]

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wink
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Looks like theres several active regions behind 1642

[link to www.lmsal.com]

1640 and 1642 are off the normal equatorial line considering we're so close to max?

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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)



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THIS IS HOW THEY TAKE THE DELTA POWER FROM THE GENERATORS/SUBSTATIONS AND CREATE THE NEUTRAL
the return for the excess electron that are not returning by the A/B/C/ hot legs.
there is no neutral sent from power station.

I am still not sure what exactly you are saying here???

Are you saying the substations and transformers create the neutral? Then you say the return for the excess electron are not returning....returning from where???

I am assuming that you are stating this because of your electrical experience but I am just not following never being an electrical engineer.
 Quoting: psyoptics


simple terms.

the power plant is connected to ground. and sends 3 lines out say A leg B leg and C leg.
they cycle from 0 to 175v to -175v and back to 0 60 time per second....60Hz. this would be about 120v RMS...m=means or average.
now A leg is 120 degrees off from B and B 120 degrees from C...and yes C is 120 from A again. for a total of 360.

here is the tie to the coils and magnets in the generator.

now if all that was used were 3 100W bulb all is good.
electrons flowing from A returns on B&C and B will return on C&A...and so on. this is balanced. no neutral needed.
but you can not plug in your coffee maker now!!!!

so when they really send out the power it is way over 120 RMS there is a transformer used to step it down to 120v RMS.
they ground this to earth and attach a wire that is now bonded to earth at the transformer it is called Neutral.
and now if you meter the Neutral to either of the 3 legs you get 120v RMS. now you can put all 3 100w bulbs on say A leg and what is not returned by B&C go to ground at the transformer.

then there is the ground at say your house, this should be bonded to earth and not the Neutral....that would be a short, post transformer.

so all those transformer would be a great risk if the is a large surge in ground current.

this is AC alternating current. half the cycle is pulling electrons +175v and half the cycle is pushing them -175v.
starts at 0 passes 0 and ends at 0

edit oh pic might help.....duh!

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simple terms.

the power plant is connected to ground. and sends 3 lines out say A leg B leg and C leg.
they cycle from 0 to 175v to -175v and back to 0 60 time per second....60Hz. this would be about 120v RMS...m=means or average.
now A leg is 120 degrees off from B and B 120 degrees from C...and yes C is 120 from A again. for a total of 360.

here is the tie to the coils and magnets in the generator.

now if all that was used were 3 100W bulb all is good.
electrons flowing from A returns on B&C and B will return on C&A...and so on. this is balanced. no neutral needed.
but you can not plug in your coffee maker now!!!!

so when they really send out the power it is way over 120 RMS there is a transformer used to step it down to 120v RMS.
they ground this to earth and attach a wire that is now bonded to earth at the transformer it is called Neutral.
and now if you meter the Neutral to either of the 3 legs you get 120v RMS. now you can put all 3 100w bulbs on say A leg and what is not returned by B&C go to ground at the transformer.

then there is the ground at say your house, this should be bonded to earth and not the Neutral....that would be a short, post transformer.

so all those transformer would be a great risk if the is a large surge in ground current.

this is AC alternating current. half the cycle is pulling electrons +175v and half the cycle is pushing them -175v.
starts at 0 passes 0 and ends at 0
 Quoting: miabelieves


good explanation Psy!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
Be Careful What You Wish For Dept.-

Those Northern Lights can drive ya crazy!-


4. Adverse Effects on Human Judgment and Behavior
Geomagnetic storms appear to affect human behavior, judgments and decisions about risk. Research has documented links to depression, enhanced anxiety, sleep disturbances, altered moods mainly affecting abstract judgment especially judgment of risk, overly cautious behavior, and greater incidences of psychiatric admissions. A study by Kay found a 36.2% increase in male hospital admissions diagnosed with the depressed phase of manic- depressive illness correlated with the second week following geomagnetic storms compared to quiet periods. A study by Novikova and Ryvkin found geomagnetic storm correlates to psychotic outbursts in patients in a Moscow mental institution and to reports of hallucinations. Other studies showed that pilots experienced high levels of anxiety and decreased functional activity of the central nervous system resulting in a sharp decline of flying skills during geomagnetic storms. A study by Kuleshova et al. showed the daily number of hospitalizations of patients with mental disorders during geomagnetic storms nearly doubled when compared to quiet period.

To put a human face on this effect consider the plight of a bright young girl in Ottawa County, Ohio who witnessed first hand the effects of the Great solar storm of September 1-2, 1859.

The Columbus, Ohio Statesman newspaper had run a short article about a sixteen year old girl 'of considerable intelligence and prepossessing appearance', who had been taken into custody by the Sheriff of Ottawa County. Her agitated state necessitated that she be moved to the lunatic asylum. The conclusion drawn from this, and no doubt her utterances, implied that she had become deranged from viewing the aurora borealis a short time ago. She was convinced that all of this spectacular auroral activity meant that the world was soon to come to an end.
-Harpers Weekly, October 8, 1859
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 Quoting: Hugh M Eye

could this be from freq. and waves reacting in to human mind?
like the experiment with people being removed from the sun and all it freq's. the subjects get ill....then they are ok when these freq's were restored. both by bring the subjects out of the bunker or feed the bunker with those freq's.
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I can't find a link to the Ottawa Co. story yet, but I found this. It has several eye witness accounts of the same event.

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