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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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We apparently have an incoming cme from a nasa video. It doesn't show up anywhere on any of the charts
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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We apparently have an incoming cme from a nasa video. It doesn't show up anywhere on any of the charts
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Gotcha, thanks.
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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We apparently have an incoming cme from a nasa video. It doesn't show up anywhere on any of the charts
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Gotcha, thanks.
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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The deterioration of earth facing sunspots, only to have them go berserker on the far side, regardless of their classification. It makes no sense.

The idea that there were some electrical, magnetic pull, or other anomaly, even the galactic center itself was creating this scenario did not appeal to my sense of logic, until it seems as if there is no other reasoning behind it.

I assumed that last fall we would begin to see greater solar activity, as we had the fall of 2011, you know seasonal planetary configuration with the sun etc .... and there was none.

We are running out of excuses as to why earth facing sunspots die until they rotate over the western limb.

Of course it does not help that half of the data we use to see what is happening back there is suddenly unavailable ...

Very frustrating. I don't participate in a lot of theory, and depend on facts, but I listen to all of them for future use, and at times even in corroboration to the evidence/facts, but without the data .... well maybe I'll feel better tomorrow wink
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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We apparently have an incoming cme from a nasa video. It doesn't show up anywhere on any of the charts
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That too hf lol.

Too many discrepancies, especially with GOES, and I hate to say it, markedly starting just before 12/21/12.
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Here is a site we haven't seen in a while. Wow!!!

[link to www.solarham.net]
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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The deterioration of earth facing sunspots, only to have them go berserker on the far side, regardless of their classification. It makes no sense.

The idea that there were some electrical, magnetic pull, or other anomaly, even the galactic center itself was creating this scenario did not appeal to my sense of logic, until it seems as if there is no other reasoning behind it.

I assumed that last fall we would begin to see greater solar activity, as we had the fall of 2011, you know seasonal planetary configuration with the sun etc .... and there was none.

We are running out of excuses as to why earth facing sunspots die until they rotate over the western limb.

Of course it does not help that half of the data we use to see what is happening back there is suddenly unavailable ...

Very frustrating. I don't participate in a lot of theory, and depend on facts, but I listen to all of them for future use, and at times even in corroboration to the evidence/facts, but without the data .... well maybe I'll feel better tomorrow wink
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When there is no sunspot activity on the earth-facing side that means increased cosmic rays from the sun reaching the Earth and this also contributes to a weakened magnetosphere, yes? (I'm not certain of what I have just said so I'm posing it as a question, lol)

What are the implications for Earth if there is a continued period of low sunspot activity on the Earth facing side?
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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The deterioration of earth facing sunspots, only to have them go berserker on the far side, regardless of their classification. It makes no sense.

The idea that there were some electrical, magnetic pull, or other anomaly, even the galactic center itself was creating this scenario did not appeal to my sense of logic, until it seems as if there is no other reasoning behind it.

I assumed that last fall we would begin to see greater solar activity, as we had the fall of 2011, you know seasonal planetary configuration with the sun etc .... and there was none.

We are running out of excuses as to why earth facing sunspots die until they rotate over the western limb.

Of course it does not help that half of the data we use to see what is happening back there is suddenly unavailable ...

Very frustrating. I don't participate in a lot of theory, and depend on facts, but I listen to all of them for future use, and at times even in corroboration to the evidence/facts, but without the data .... well maybe I'll feel better tomorrow wink
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When there is no sunspot activity on the earth-facing side that means increased cosmic rays from the sun reaching the Earth and this also contributes to a weakened magnetosphere, yes? (I'm not certain of what I have just said so I'm posing it as a question, lol)

What are the implications for Earth if there is a continued period of low sunspot activity on the Earth facing side?
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There are some that believe that gamma bursts are effecting the Earth in a multitude of ways, I don't know that I have ever heard or read that they would have an effect on earth facing sunspots.

What we do know for certain however, is that the Solar Maximum's geo effectiveness on Earth is what strengthens our magnetosphere, and right now we are sorely in need of a steady increase of Solar activity. There is nothing saying we could withstand a significant CME or resulting geo magnetic storm as our magnetosphere is currently compromised. So we hope for an uptick in solar activity.

As for what is preventing sunspots from activity when earth facing, but allow activity on the far side, is the current quandary, at least mine. wink

GOES is flat lined ... it may be being fudged by NASA as we have flares that are not registering on the Xray chart, but earth directed CME's have be reported. If GOES was working properly, we would have already seen this flare and resulting CME coming, instead of having to search for it hidden on google.

Just too many unanswered questions and discrepancies to be able to interpret what is happening.
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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The deterioration of earth facing sunspots, only to have them go berserker on the far side, regardless of their classification. It makes no sense.

The idea that there were some electrical, magnetic pull, or other anomaly, even the galactic center itself was creating this scenario did not appeal to my sense of logic, until it seems as if there is no other reasoning behind it.

I assumed that last fall we would begin to see greater solar activity, as we had the fall of 2011, you know seasonal planetary configuration with the sun etc .... and there was none.

We are running out of excuses as to why earth facing sunspots die until they rotate over the western limb.

Of course it does not help that half of the data we use to see what is happening back there is suddenly unavailable ...

Very frustrating. I don't participate in a lot of theory, and depend on facts, but I listen to all of them for future use, and at times even in corroboration to the evidence/facts, but without the data .... well maybe I'll feel better tomorrow wink
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Nicely said!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Here is a site we haven't seen in a while. Wow!!!

[link to www.solarham.net]
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Wow is right , nice to see these groupings coming in!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Blip from 1640

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Here is a site we haven't seen in a while. Wow!!!

[link to www.solarham.net]
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Wow is right , nice to see these groupings coming in!
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What will it mean for Earth ???

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Almost a C-flare! B9.4 from 1640-

[link to halpha.nso.edu]

STEREO Images are normal again. The EUVI Behind movie shows a couple of far-side eruptions-

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

SDO images are still intermittent and not current. I found the magnetic field map interesting. Look at all of the open field lines in the north polar region and almost none in the south.

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Did they flip the switch back on at 20:00 or what ???? lol
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Woohoo-our biggest flare since Christmas.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


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Woohoo-our biggest flare since Christmas.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


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Be honest Hugh, you don't find this the least bit fishy ???
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Woohoo-our biggest flare since Christmas.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


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Be honest Hugh, you don't find this the least bit fishy ???
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Fishy? No. A little disappointing, yes. I was hoping for a Solar Max to at least come close to the last two zingers. We could have truly witnessed some amazing stuff with SDO, SOHO, STEREO all working together with the internets and GLP. We may not have this opportunity 10 years from now. I had dream about a rogue x-flare, so keep hope alive.

Mt. Wilson Solar Observatory:

[link to obs.astro.ucla.edu]

Interesting solar magnetic info-
[link to obs.astro.ucla.edu]

Supersynoptic Chart 1974-2012:

[link to obs.astro.ucla.edu]

Nice French Solar site:

[link to bass2000.obspm.fr]

weird radio movie?:
ftp://ftpbass2000.obspm.fr/jrh_film/MPG_13/MPG_1301/nrh020120​13_3270.mpg
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Here are todays sun pics.hf

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Woohoo-our biggest flare since Christmas.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


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Be honest Hugh, you don't find this the least bit fishy ???
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Fishy? No. A little disappointing, yes. I was hoping for a Solar Max to at least come close to the last two zingers. We could have truly witnessed some amazing stuff with SDO, SOHO, STEREO all working together with the internets and GLP. We may not have this opportunity 10 years from now. I had dream about a rogue x-flare, so keep hope alive.

Mt. Wilson Solar Observatory:

[link to obs.astro.ucla.edu]

Interesting solar magnetic info-
[link to obs.astro.ucla.edu]

Supersynoptic Chart 1974-2012:

[link to obs.astro.ucla.edu]

Nice French Solar site:

[link to bass2000.obspm.fr]

weird radio movie?:
ftp://ftpbass2000.obspm.fr/jrh_film/MPG_13/MPG_1301/nrh020120​13_3270.mpg
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Fair enough.
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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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The deterioration of earth facing sunspots, only to have them go berserker on the far side, regardless of their classification. It makes no sense.

The idea that there were some electrical, magnetic pull, or other anomaly, even the galactic center itself was creating this scenario did not appeal to my sense of logic, until it seems as if there is no other reasoning behind it.

I assumed that last fall we would begin to see greater solar activity, as we had the fall of 2011, you know seasonal planetary configuration with the sun etc .... and there was none.

We are running out of excuses as to why earth facing sunspots die until they rotate over the western limb.

Of course it does not help that half of the data we use to see what is happening back there is suddenly unavailable ...

Very frustrating. I don't participate in a lot of theory, and depend on facts, but I listen to all of them for future use, and at times even in corroboration to the evidence/facts, but without the data .... well maybe I'll feel better tomorrow wink
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When there is no sunspot activity on the earth-facing side that means increased cosmic rays from the sun reaching the Earth and this also contributes to a weakened magnetosphere, yes? (I'm not certain of what I have just said so I'm posing it as a question, lol)

What are the implications for Earth if there is a continued period of low sunspot activity on the Earth facing side?
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i had posted many links to GCR and aging charts going back to the 60's they start mid way down on this page
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Were you intimating that Gamma bursts are inhibiting sunspot activity earth side ??
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GCR are not good for humans and or this planet and it balance in the atmospheres.
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GCR are not good for humans and or this planet and it balance in the atmospheres.
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I'm sure they are not good for us !!! hf
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You're dreams may not be that far off Hugh .... it's a waiting game.

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TS can you clarify what you are referring to when you say it's not making any sense?
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The deterioration of earth facing sunspots, only to have them go berserker on the far side, regardless of their classification. It makes no sense.

The idea that there were some electrical, magnetic pull, or other anomaly, even the galactic center itself was creating this scenario did not appeal to my sense of logic, until it seems as if there is no other reasoning behind it.

I assumed that last fall we would begin to see greater solar activity, as we had the fall of 2011, you know seasonal planetary configuration with the sun etc .... and there was none.

We are running out of excuses as to why earth facing sunspots die until they rotate over the western limb.

Of course it does not help that half of the data we use to see what is happening back there is suddenly unavailable ...

Very frustrating. I don't participate in a lot of theory, and depend on facts, but I listen to all of them for future use, and at times even in corroboration to the evidence/facts, but without the data .... well maybe I'll feel better tomorrow wink
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When there is no sunspot activity on the earth-facing side that means increased cosmic rays from the sun reaching the Earth and this also contributes to a weakened magnetosphere, yes? (I'm not certain of what I have just said so I'm posing it as a question, lol)

What are the implications for Earth if there is a continued period of low sunspot activity on the Earth facing side?
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There are some that believe that gamma bursts are effecting the Earth in a multitude of ways, I don't know that I have ever heard or read that they would have an effect on earth facing sunspots.

What we do know for certain however, is that the Solar Maximum's geo effectiveness on Earth is what strengthens our magnetosphere, and right now we are sorely in need of a steady increase of Solar activity. There is nothing saying we could withstand a significant CME or resulting geo magnetic storm as our magnetosphere is currently compromised. So we hope for an uptick in solar activity.

As for what is preventing sunspots from activity when earth facing, but allow activity on the far side, is the current quandary, at least mine. wink

GOES is flat lined ... it may be being fudged by NASA as we have flares that are not registering on the Xray chart, but earth directed CME's have be reported. If GOES was working properly, we would have already seen this flare and resulting CME coming, instead of having to search for it hidden on google.

Just too many unanswered questions and discrepancies to be able to interpret what is happening.
 Quoting: TS66


Thx.
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Note added in 2001 August: It is thought that man-made chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), such as Freon, are the major destroyer of the ozone layer. The prevailing theory is that ultraviolet light breaks down CFCs, releasing active chlorine, which destroys ozone molecules. However, a recent study ( [link to focus.aps.org] suggests that cosmic rays may also break down CFCs. If this is correct, cosmic rays do play a part in creating ozone holes, but only because there are man-made CFC molecules for them to break down.

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Secondary Cosmic Ray Particles
Primary cosmic particle collides with a molecule of atmosphere.

The Moon's cosmic ray shadow, as seen in secondary muons detected 700 m below ground, at the Soudan 2 detector

The Moon as seen by the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, in gamma rays of greater than 20 MeV. These are produced by cosmic ray bombardment of its surface.[16]

When cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere they collide with molecules, mainly oxygen and nitrogen. The interaction produce a cascade of lighter particles, a so-called air shower.[17] All of the produced particles stay within about one degree of the primary particle's path. Typical particles produced in such collisions are neutrons, charged mesons e.g. positive and negative pions and kaons. Some of these subsequently decay into muons, which are able to reach the surface of the Earth, and even penetrate for some distance into shallow mines. The muons can be easily detected by many types of particle detectors, such as cloud chambers, bubble chambers or scintillation detectors. Several muons observed by separated detectors at the same instant indicates that they have been produced in the same shower event.

Cosmic rays impacting other planetary bodies in the Solar System are detected indirectly by observing high energy gamma ray emissions by gamma-ray telescope. These are distinguished from radioactive decay processes by their higher energies above about 10 MeV.
Health Hazards of Secondary Cosmic Rays

High energy secondary cosmic ray neutrons and other secondary cosmic ray particles comprises the components of cosmic rays damaging to humans, on Earth or in a plane. Outside Earth's magnetic field, the primary cosmic rays constitute the health hazard.
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Secondary Cosmic Ray Particles
Primary cosmic particle collides with a molecule of atmosphere.

The Moon's cosmic ray shadow, as seen in secondary muons detected 700 m below ground, at the Soudan 2 detector

The Moon as seen by the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, in gamma rays of greater than 20 MeV. These are produced by cosmic ray bombardment of its surface.[16]

When cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere they collide with molecules, mainly oxygen and nitrogen. The interaction produce a cascade of lighter particles, a so-called air shower.[17] All of the produced particles stay within about one degree of the primary particle's path. Typical particles produced in such collisions are neutrons, charged mesons e.g. positive and negative pions and kaons. Some of these subsequently decay into muons, which are able to reach the surface of the Earth, and even penetrate for some distance into shallow mines. The muons can be easily detected by many types of particle detectors, such as cloud chambers, bubble chambers or scintillation detectors. Several muons observed by separated detectors at the same instant indicates that they have been produced in the same shower event.

Cosmic rays impacting other planetary bodies in the Solar System are detected indirectly by observing high energy gamma ray emissions by gamma-ray telescope. These are distinguished from radioactive decay processes by their higher energies above about 10 MeV.
Health Hazards of Secondary Cosmic Rays

High energy secondary cosmic ray neutrons and other secondary cosmic ray particles comprises the components of cosmic rays damaging to humans, on Earth or in a plane. Outside Earth's magnetic field, the primary cosmic rays constitute the health hazard.
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Good info, not for us of course, especially since there seems to be an increase.

Oy what's next ??





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