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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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M1.7 Sunspot 1652

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Any CME's with those flares?
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M1.7 Sunspot 1652

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you have the 1min for the fulx?
1min chart [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
5min chart [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Any CME's with those flares?
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more than likley there wont be

as a rule of thumb:
when the Xrays spike straight up, then right away goes straight back down = No CME

when the xray flux goes up, slow or spiked (dont really matter) and then lingers there a bit and SLOWLY comes back down = sig for a CME

thats the best way to get an idea if there is or is not a CME before images come out showing it
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M1.7 Sunspot 1652

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Nice catch, GeoStorm! I loved yer movie, too! On the SDO movie you can see an eruption over the west limb and several regions flare at the same time. The M1.7 definitely came from 1652 though.

H-alpha movie:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]

SDO Image of NW limb eruption preceding M-flare:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Any CME's with those flares?
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more than likley there wont be

as a rule of thumb:
when the Xrays spike straight up, then right away goes straight back down = No CME

when the xray flux goes up, slow or spiked (dont really matter) and then lingers there a bit and SLOWLY comes back down = sig for a CME

thats the best way to get an idea if there is or is not a CME before images come out showing it
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Oh, thank you very much NiN, all this time here, I did not know that.
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52 might be the first spot in a long time that didn't decay as it became earth facing. We are breaking a pattern here I think.
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Any CME's with those flares?
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more than likley there wont be

as a rule of thumb:
when the Xrays spike straight up, then right away goes straight back down = No CME

when the xray flux goes up, slow or spiked (dont really matter) and then lingers there a bit and SLOWLY comes back down = sig for a CME

thats the best way to get an idea if there is or is not a CME before images come out showing it
 Quoting: NiNzrez


That's cool, thank you. I have learned so much from this thread!

I have a question for you in light of what's been going on lately. If a spot flares, like a few C's or M's in a row, does that tend to "weaken" it, meaning it is less likely to let off a big one? Or does it not matter and is just random?
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ALERT: Type II Radio Emission
Begin Time: 2013 Jan 13 0839 UTC
Estimated Velocity: 907 km/s
Description: Type II emissions occur in association with eruptions on the sun and typically indicate a coronal mass ejection is associated with a flare event.

So we do have a CME :)

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ALERT: Type II Radio Emission
Begin Time: 2013 Jan 13 0839 UTC
Estimated Velocity: 907 km/s
Description: Type II emissions occur in association with eruptions on the sun and typically indicate a coronal mass ejection is associated with a flare event.

So we do have a CME :)

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 Quoting: Kael


Hi, Kael, I don't see anything major yet, but it's best to wait for SOHO/ LASCO imagery. Here's a link for STEREO: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

There was also a Type IV Radio Emission alert-

Space Weather Message Code: ALTTP4
Serial Number: 400
Issue Time: 2013 Jan 13 0918 UTC

ALERT: Type IV Radio Emission
Begin Time: 2013 Jan 13 0845 UTC
Description: Type IV emissions occur in association with major eruptions on the sun and are typically associated with strong coronal mass ejections and solar radiation storms.
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
:1652-sam:
:1/13-NWlimb:
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[link to spaceweather.inf.brad.ac.uk]
....now saying
66% chance X
63% chance M
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52 might be the first spot in a long time that didn't decay as it became earth facing. We are breaking a pattern here I think.
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Morning Tink and all hf
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Morning Tink and all hf
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Good Morning TS!

hugs

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AIA171
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Suns waking up today:)
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@hugh and TS:

judging by the xray image from eve: [link to lasp.colorado.edu]

would you wager on 1652, or 1654 being the main candidate for the alert?

Just curious as to your opinion, if the information is not available yet.
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@hugh and TS:

judging by the xray image from eve: [link to lasp.colorado.edu]

would you wager on 1652, or 1654 being the main candidate for the alert?

Just curious as to your opinion, if the information is not available yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23231420


LASP certainly is lit up in those 2 areas, and would account for the consistent C background.

Both areas seem to have a lot of potential, whether their potential comes to fruition or not is the real question.

Both have complexity, and with some development both could return to BGDs

Although I can't speak for Hugh, these are the areas I'm watching, including what may become a delta spot on 1654 with a little more development(southern center area of spot)

1654

:11354:

and 1652

:11352:
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good morning, team!
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good morning, team!
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hf Hi my friend how are you?
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good morning, team!
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hf Hi my friend how are you?
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Fantastic, thank you!

Enjoying 70 degree (F) weather today, unusual for the mountainous regions of WV in winter but I welcome it.

How u doing, Luis?
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good morning, team!
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hf Hi my friend how are you?
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Fantastic, thank you!

Enjoying 70 degree (F) weather today, unusual for the mountainous regions of WV in winter but I welcome it.

How u doing, Luis?
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I'm fine! Thank God the arctic cold weather missed us and go to UK... more showers but mild temp!hf
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52 might be the first spot in a long time that didn't decay as it became earth facing. We are breaking a pattern here I think.
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It seems the pattern is shifting and earth side filament numbers have declined
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I don't know a lot about this stuff but it does interest me. I have been following for a while and have couple questions..

1- so are you guys looking for an x-class here? let's say we were to have one..what would the implications be?

2- it seems that x-class flares are not too uncommon so what is the hype?
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I don't know a lot about this stuff but it does interest me. I have been following for a while and have couple questions..

1- so are you guys looking for an x-class here? let's say we were to have one..what would the implications be?

2- it seems that x-class flares are not too uncommon so what is the hype?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28236632


Not all X-class flares are equal. For example, an X1 will be more common than an X20 and so on. Also, not all flares produce CME's (coronal mass ejections). These ejections are what can really mess with out geomagnetic field and cause big geomagnetic storms.

This is the short answer. Theoretically...two M class flares that produce big CME's could do more damage than two X-class flares that do not produce CME's. All about the CME in a lot of cases. Although, you can still get other impacts from non-CME flares (radio blackouts and such).
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Any CME's with those flares?
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more than likley there wont be

as a rule of thumb:
when the Xrays spike straight up, then right away goes straight back down = No CME

when the xray flux goes up, slow or spiked (dont really matter) and then lingers there a bit and SLOWLY comes back down = sig for a CME

thats the best way to get an idea if there is or is not a CME before images come out showing it
 Quoting: NiNzrez


That's cool, thank you. I have learned so much from this thread!

I have a question for you in light of what's been going on lately. If a spot flares, like a few C's or M's in a row, does that tend to "weaken" it, meaning it is less likely to let off a big one? Or does it not matter and is just random?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25323670


there is a lot of study done on this subject
often, we do see a large M flare or X flare occure that causes a complex section of the sunspot to become more stable after the flare and then we see the sunspot calm down
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]
this is the main reason, that after a high M or X flare, you will see some of us talking about the area and complecity of the sunspot.
we do not see this happen much with C flares, they are more of a ramping up of the sunspot, so to speak
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Well I'm certainly not looking for doom, just the science behind solar max hf
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I don't know a lot about this stuff but it does interest me. I have been following for a while and have couple questions..

1- so are you guys looking for an x-class here? let's say we were to have one..what would the implications be?

2- it seems that x-class flares are not too uncommon so what is the hype?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28236632


Thanks for your interest and inquiries...

The second question first....I'm not hyping anything. I have no idea why Drudge Report has a story on an M-flare w/no CME. Maybe he's been listening to the Suspicious Obfuscator's vids, hehe. We haven't had any noteworthy solar events of the "front page news" variety for some time. This is a passionate hobby of mine; it's good, clean fun, and educational, too.

Now the first question-we watch every kind of flare and other solar happenings. Active Region 1654 is one of the largest sunspot groups of the Solar Cycle 24. We haven't seen any X-flares for some months, so we're very excited at the possibility. Entire books have been written on the effects of X-Ray solar events and Coronal Mass Ejections, so I can't say too much at this time. In general, X-flares can cause radio blackouts, disrupt GPS, increase radiation exposure by flight crews and astronauts.

Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) are a different animal altogether;a large number of effects on Earth range from: auroral displays to power grid failure; satellite outages; heart attacks and strokes; spacecraft damage; insanity and the end of comet Elenin. Keep in mind that extreme solar events can't be predicted, this is why we stay vigilant here.

Some good links for solar event education:

Perfect Storm- [link to spectrum.ieee.org]

SunStorm!- [link to www.space.com]

Marshall SFC Solar Physics- [link to solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov]
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in the last few hours, there is 2 tiny fast spots popping up inbetween 1654 and 1652. you can see it on the SDO magnetogram movie for today
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

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