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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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A Massive Thank You to all you guys - I am so glad I ever found SolarWatch(thank you NiNz)and all you awesome Beings!

Thanks also to Sol for going bonkers Today!

Lots of action we got going on,I need to do a little catching up but,frack [link to halpha.nso.edu] oh yes he did!

ahhh

sunhf
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That was Ol' Sol blowing you a birthday kiss, SC! smile_kiss

Happy birthday!! 33 in 13...3x11 and 13...my favorite numbers. I knew I liked you for a reason!
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A Massive Thank You to all you guys - I am so glad I ever found SolarWatch(thank you NiNz)and all you awesome Beings!

Thanks also to Sol for going bonkers Today!

Lots of action we got going on,I need to do a little catching up but,frack [link to halpha.nso.edu] oh yes he did!

ahhh

sunhf
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


That was Ol' Sol blowing you a birthday kiss, SC! smile_kiss

Happy birthday!! 33 in 13...3x11 and 13...my favorite numbers. I knew I liked you for a reason!
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chuckle

Thank you Musehf

You are a good Heart for sure : )

It looked like somehow the CHs was what fatty Filament had been swept up into,as many of the Bits'a'Filament have seemingly done in the last Week(ish).

Hyder Flare also from the region of 1671/1678 [link to halpha.nso.edu] though GOES X-Ray doesn't seem to be telling the same tale as what I am looking at [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] .

sunhf
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Well,this is quite interesting to watch [link to sdodata.oma.be] (aside from all the other action going on)the physical behaviour of the Filament is quite something,it really does appear to be sucking up in-toward the CHS [link to sdodata.oma.be] in a vortex fashion at the leading edge - Whatever it is that is going on there I am 90% sure it is due to the deep CH Below it.

Swapping to the Coronal 211 Angstroms we can see just how much instability there appears to be all over the Disc [link to sdodata.oma.be] I see at least 3 large disturbances that will have caused Mass Ejections.

On 304 [link to sdodata.oma.be] some really cool looking detonation like flaring from 1678/71 region!

I don't know why they were not registered above C Class on GOES X-Ray,but hey...Nevermind!

sunhf

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 02/19/2013 02:31 PM
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Since I can't respond to your observations with any intelligence, I'll just say this - After looking at all the videos, I'm glad I don't live there!

(Although I DID see the vortex-like action on the filament.)
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hiFolks!

This is great action for a tards 33rd Birthday!

Nice one Sol - new you wouldn't let me down!

1678 - Whoa!


rockon
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Happy birthday my friend!!!hf
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AR1678 is fast becoming a monster spot. It looks bigger and stronger every time I look at it. Maybe soon we'll see it pop off a very strong flare.

GOES latest x-ray image:
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

:2/19-1678grow:
:2/19-1678mag:
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AR1678 is fast becoming a monster spot. It looks bigger and stronger every time I look at it. Maybe soon we'll see it pop off a very strong flare.

GOES latest x-ray image:
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

:2/19-1678grow:
:2/19-1678mag:
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Too right it is Hugh!

Some serious growth and mixing around that region,the interaction with 1671 has made it a wonder we haven't seen a high C/low M Flare already from it.

Check out the splash like eruption around 1678/71 [link to sdodata.oma.be] surprised that didn't register at least a C2 on GOES,still though it looks very cool!
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1678 is at least Beta-Gamma as of now from your image above Hugh.

I can see a few smaller Polarities inside each of the Spots,no doubt it'll blow one once it reaches the Western limb : )

sun
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1678 is at least Beta-Gamma as of now from your image above Hugh.

I can see a few smaller Polarities inside each of the Spots,no doubt it'll blow one once it reaches the Western limb : )

sun
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Yep, I noticed those lightning bolts or sparks flickering for a while. Earth's magnetic footpoint is right near the western limb now, so we may see an SEP event if it ever goes off.

By the way, that giant filament seems to have disappeared from the surface. Surprisingly it produced no Hyder flare. May be a coronal rain or else a nice CME if it accelerates away from the corona.

I wonder if STEREO's lack of updates has anything to do with NASA's ISS communications troubles. Could Chinese hackers jam-up the entire inner solar system? Hahaha.

spock
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Happy Birthday, SC! Do enjoy your ""teen" years. It only gets better. I too, am glad to have found this solar thread. From one relic lurker. ;-)
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I just got this text alert from the 3D Sun app on my phone. It is a NASA app (take that for what it's worth).

"Fast-growing Sunspot
Less than a day ago, sunspot AR1678 didn't exist. Now it's five times wider than our entire planet. NASA Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the sunspot's rapid development.

Sunspots are islands of magnetism that float on the surface of the sun. This one is emerging from the depth and changing at such a rapid pace that its magnetic field is likely unstable. A reconnection event in AR1678's magnetic canopy could lead to a significant solar flare. Stay tuned!"


I swear, I have seen this app not show significant flares, and at the time I think they are hiding data. Then I see something like this alert, and think they are fear-mongering. No wonder we are all confused, even the 'experts' don't agree on our current Solar activities.
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1678 is at least Beta-Gamma as of now from your image above Hugh.

I can see a few smaller Polarities inside each of the Spots,no doubt it'll blow one once it reaches the Western limb : )

sun
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Yep, I noticed those lightning bolts or sparks flickering for a while. Earth's magnetic footpoint is right near the western limb now, so we may see an SEP event if it ever goes off.

By the way, that giant filament seems to have disappeared from the surface. Surprisingly it produced no Hyder flare. May be a coronal rain or else a nice CME if it accelerates away from the corona.

I wonder if STEREO's lack of updates has anything to do with NASA's ISS communications troubles. Could Chinese hackers jam-up the entire inner solar system? Hahaha.

spock
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Very anticlimactic ..... just blew off to the West.
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Happy Birthday, Cesium, best to stay out of the rain, LOL.



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Happy birthday SCrimshot, and Thank-you for your wealth of knowledge and input with this thread.

It’s been great trip learning from all you guys& girls.


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Very Happy Birthday SC hfwineana
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Boom.

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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hf.. happy Birthday.. you know we love you right?.. you have a very important job.. encouraging All of us.. we Love this thread.. and the Many posters.. Thank You All..
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nice catch! judging by the wedge plot, looks like most of the CME is forecasted to miss us high. but these models aren't perfect and it's fun to see either way!
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No way that is Mercury.


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[link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] The sun shit a direct hit for you SC. Happy bday
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Lol it is
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[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] When I grow up I wanna be just like mercury, so I can be everywhere.
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thats a whole dif view
the planet we are seeing on STEREO is indeed Mercury
you can always see what planet is coming into view, or appering on STEREO here

What planet am i seeing on STEREO images?
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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A Massive Thank You to all you guys - I am so glad I ever found SolarWatch(thank you NiNz)and all you awesome Beings!

Thanks also to Sol for going bonkers Today!

Lots of action we got going on,I need to do a little catching up but,frack [link to halpha.nso.edu] oh yes he did!

ahhh

sunhf
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


i 2nd that
you guys are always so on top of any event with enough information for any solartard to go bonkers about :)

have a wonderful happy birthday SC!!!!!
hf

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hiFolks!

This is great action for a tards 33rd Birthday!

Nice one Sol - new you wouldn't let me down!

1678 - Whoa!


rockon
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Happy Birthday Cesium !!!

blwkss
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Ta' 66hf

I am officially an old bugger Today,that is for sure.

33...wha?

Where did my Life go!?

Anyhoo' - On with the show at handsun
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Happy Birthday Cesium!!! No worries, 30's are a blast, best years of my life in everyway possible. :)

I really enjoy your posts, and wish you a beautiful and blessed year ahead!!! WooHoo!!!

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Filament went bye bye

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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1678 is at least Beta-Gamma as of now from your image above Hugh.

I can see a few smaller Polarities inside each of the Spots,no doubt it'll blow one once it reaches the Western limb : )

sun
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Yep, I noticed those lightning bolts or sparks flickering for a while. Earth's magnetic footpoint is right near the western limb now, so we may see an SEP event if it ever goes off.

By the way, that giant filament seems to have disappeared from the surface. Surprisingly it produced no Hyder flare. May be a coronal rain or else a nice CME if it accelerates away from the corona.

I wonder if STEREO's lack of updates has anything to do with NASA's ISS communications troubles. Could Chinese hackers jam-up the entire inner solar system? Hahaha.

spock
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Very anticlimactic ..... just blew off to the West.
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You know how SLOW the CMEs are traveling like in syrup. If this filament did indeed release do you guys believe something is nullifying the electromagnetic force. Alittle bit of particle entropy. Think about itscoop
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Filament went bye bye

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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Look how the filament went drifting west, right where our new sunspot 1678 exploded with energy today,something pulling energy that direction aye?


Thread: Must Read...Our Sun has been protecting us from our Center ....Not any more though!

The opening post is quite interesting

Last Edited by shadahoochie on 02/19/2013 08:16 PM
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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AR1678 now classified as Beta-Gamma-Delta.

Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 51 Issued at 0030Z on 20 Feb 2013
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 19 Feb
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 19/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1671 N16W46 075 0110 Cso 04 03 Beta
1673 S11E17 010 0090 Dac 08 24 Beta
1675 N12W09 037 0060 Cso 09 03 Beta
1676 S19E37 352 0050 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
1677 S27E38 350 0010 Axx 01 01 Alpha
1678 N10W40 069 0130 Dai 06 14 Beta-Gamma-Delta
1679 S14E44 345 0010 Axx 00 01 Alpha

AR1678-Bigger!
:2/20-1678:

From NOAA Discussion-

.24 hr Summary...
Solar activity was low. Region 1678 (N10W40,
Dai/beta-gamma-delta)produced a C2 x-ray flare at 19/1051 UTC and
isolated B-class flares. Region 1678 showed significant development in
spots and magnetic complexity including a delta magnetic configuration
within its intermediate spots
. Region 1673 (S11E17, Dac/beta) showed
gradual intermediate spot growth during the period. Region 1675 (N12W09,
Cso/beta) continued to gradually decay. The remaining spotted regions
were unremarkable. An 8-degree filament centered near N26W09 erupted
around 19/0300 UTC. This eruption was associated with an Earth-directed
partial-halo coronal mass ejection (CME) with an estimated speed of 375
km/s. The bulk of the CME material appeared to be headed northward. A
large filament, roughly 35 degrees in extent and centered near S26E15,
erupted around 19/1900 UTC. Further analysis will be required to
determine the potential geoeffectiveness of this filament eruption.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

In the SDO composite images you can still see that huge filament channel. I wouldn't be surprised to see another eruption from this region.

SDO image:
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest HMI Color Intensitygram:
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest HMI Magnetogram:
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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AR1678 now classified as Beta-Gamma-Delta.

Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 51 Issued at 0030Z on 20 Feb 2013
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 19 Feb
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 19/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1671 N16W46 075 0110 Cso 04 03 Beta
1673 S11E17 010 0090 Dac 08 24 Beta
1675 N12W09 037 0060 Cso 09 03 Beta
1676 S19E37 352 0050 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
1677 S27E38 350 0010 Axx 01 01 Alpha
1678 N10W40 069 0130 Dai 06 14 Beta-Gamma-Delta
1679 S14E44 345 0010 Axx 00 01 Alpha

AR1678-Bigger!
:2/20-1678:

From NOAA Discussion-

.24 hr Summary...
Solar activity was low. Region 1678 (N10W40,
Dai/beta-gamma-delta)produced a C2 x-ray flare at 19/1051 UTC and
isolated B-class flares. Region 1678 showed significant development in
spots and magnetic complexity including a delta magnetic configuration
within its intermediate spots
. Region 1673 (S11E17, Dac/beta) showed
gradual intermediate spot growth during the period. Region 1675 (N12W09,
Cso/beta) continued to gradually decay. The remaining spotted regions
were unremarkable. An 8-degree filament centered near N26W09 erupted
around 19/0300 UTC. This eruption was associated with an Earth-directed
partial-halo coronal mass ejection (CME) with an estimated speed of 375
km/s. The bulk of the CME material appeared to be headed northward. A
large filament, roughly 35 degrees in extent and centered near S26E15,
erupted around 19/1900 UTC. Further analysis will be required to
determine the potential geoeffectiveness of this filament eruption.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

In the SDO composite images you can still see that huge filament channel. I wouldn't be surprised to see another eruption from this region.

SDO image:
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest HMI Color Intensitygram:
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest HMI Magnetogram:
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye



That spot didn't waste any time, expecting big things from it before it rounds the corner.

rahrah

Last Edited by shadahoochie on 02/19/2013 08:33 PM
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[link to halpha.nso.edu]


We just had another filament lift off the far west side, mid equator latitude
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Here's a close-up movie of the first CME/filament eruption near 1678:

[link to sdowww.lmsal.com]

Also, I stumbled on this article about recent analysis of solar cycles' plasma flow-

When the plasma nears the poles it sinks, then flows back toward the equator. The latitude at which that sinking occurs turns out to be very important, according to findings from a recent study ...(snip)
Modulations in plasma flux and the flow of plasma speed might explain why the latest solar cycle, number 23, was longer than previous cycles, the researchers thought.
"Cycles 19, 20, 21 and 22 each lasted about 10.5 years," said Dikpati. "Cycle 23 lasted notably longer — 12.6 years."

Plasma flow

What they did see is that incycles 20 to 22 the poleward flow reached about 60 degrees while in cycle 23, plasma flow apparently reached all the way to the pole. This could be the difference responsible for the differences between the cycles.

article and related images:
[link to www.livescience.com]
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Here's a close-up movie of the first CME/filament eruption near 1678:

[link to sdowww.lmsal.com]

Also, I stumbled on this article about recent analysis of solar cycles' plasma flow-

When the plasma nears the poles it sinks, then flows back toward the equator. The latitude at which that sinking occurs turns out to be very important, according to findings from a recent study ...(snip)
Modulations in plasma flux and the flow of plasma speed might explain why the latest solar cycle, number 23, was longer than previous cycles, the researchers thought.
"Cycles 19, 20, 21 and 22 each lasted about 10.5 years," said Dikpati. "Cycle 23 lasted notably longer — 12.6 years."

Plasma flow

What they did see is that incycles 20 to 22 the poleward flow reached about 60 degrees while in cycle 23, plasma flow apparently reached all the way to the pole. This could be the difference responsible for the differences between the cycles.

article and related images:
[link to www.livescience.com]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


Thats good info, kinda what I was looking for. We could live a very long time and not figure out our star completely. I just want to know more than what I'm probably capable of handling.
Greatly appreciate your experience Hugh, you help out so much!
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