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Hugh M Eye User ID: 5732503 United States 11/20/2011 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Large CME detected by STEREO Ahead--may be somewhat Earth-directed. Of course SOHO goes to sleep whenever something big happens so we'll have to wait for NASA's hangover to clear up before we get definitive data. Stay tuned... Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] I think it is earth directed but was only a C+ I think. [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] The size and severity of CMEs are not dependent on the X-ray intensity of flares; CMEs have no rating scale (though I like to use S,M,LG,XLG and OMFG). Anyway, this CME may be due to a filament and not a flare. Still waiting for NASA space sensors' data to trickle down, LOL. |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howdy, El Q! The solar wind speed is quite low now. I believe this makes it easier for cosmic rays to enter. Are you familiar with this graph? [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] I was hoping for some help understanding it. Solar wind speed down to 285 km/s. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Yes, that is what I am trying to say. When there is such low solar wind speed and such low density on them charts it is easier for them cosmic rays to reach ground level. It can charge up them already active volcanoes like the way a rod is charged up when hit by lot's of electron and neutron particles (Experiments have been done that can keep batteries charged with this technique). It can also extract electrons from beneath the earth's mantle causing lot's of seismic activity. If you look at the Cosmic Ray Density chart on that link you can see they are rising rapidly right now due to this low energy on our Magnetic shield. Also notice the Bz steady dropping too. |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Large CME detected by STEREO Ahead--may be somewhat Earth-directed. Of course SOHO goes to sleep whenever something big happens so we'll have to wait for NASA's hangover to clear up before we get definitive data. Stay tuned... Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] I think it is earth directed but was only a C+ I think. [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] The size and severity of CMEs are not dependent on the X-ray intensity of flares; CMEs have no rating scale (though I like to use S,M,LG,XLG and OMFG). Anyway, this CME may be due to a filament and not a flare. Still waiting for NASA space sensors' data to trickle down, LOL. Thanks Hugh M Eyes, Particularly like the OMFG scale. |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howdy, El Q! The solar wind speed is quite low now. I believe this makes it easier for cosmic rays to enter. Are you familiar with this graph? [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] I was hoping for some help understanding it. Solar wind speed down to 285 km/s. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] You think maybe the sun is getting ready to push out a big flare? Awful quiet out there. |
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Hugh M Eye User ID: 5734430 United States 11/20/2011 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is starting to worry me; Quoting: El Quisqueyano [link to www2.nict.go.jp] No activity is worse than some activity. If we get caught with our shields down and a storm hits us there will be lot's of seismic activity. Also know that when our shields are this down, the incoming ground reaching neutron energy can really charge up them volcanoes that are already active. Hey ELQ. Do you have any alternative links for monitoring Earth's magnetic field in case NICT is offline or malfunctioning. Nice to have something to fall back on after the recent downtime and the steps on the current chart look a little fishy. These are the sites that i would otherwise turn to if i wasn't checking them already. It's obviously very heavily reliant on NOAA. Not sure that is a good idea either. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to solarimg.org] Then there is this local one. [link to www.aberdeenastro.org.uk] Anyway, if you have any links to share it'd be greatly appreciated. Anyway elses input is much appreciated too. Also, do you know if NICT uses it's own measuring instruments/data for their simulation or are they dependent on another institution? Thanks Hi, TardisBlue, I'm pretty certain all data inputs for the NICT simulation come from the rusty old ACE satellite and NOAA. The NICT simulation is quite unique, but I have found other visual back-ups in case of geo-storms. NASA has a Magnetopause simulation streamer here: [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] There is also a real-time bow-shock simulation from Lockheed which has been around since 1999: [link to pixie.spasci.com] I hope that helps-please let us know if you find any others. |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is starting to worry me; Quoting: El Quisqueyano [link to www2.nict.go.jp] No activity is worse than some activity. If we get caught with our shields down and a storm hits us there will be lot's of seismic activity. Also know that when our shields are this down, the incoming ground reaching neutron energy can really charge up them volcanoes that are already active. Hey ELQ. Do you have any alternative links for monitoring Earth's magnetic field in case NICT is offline or malfunctioning. Nice to have something to fall back on after the recent downtime and the steps on the current chart look a little fishy. These are the sites that i would otherwise turn to if i wasn't checking them already. It's obviously very heavily reliant on NOAA. Not sure that is a good idea either. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to solarimg.org] Then there is this local one. [link to www.aberdeenastro.org.uk] Anyway, if you have any links to share it'd be greatly appreciated. Anyway elses input is much appreciated too. Also, do you know if NICT uses it's own measuring instruments/data for their simulation or are they dependent on another institution? Thanks I think all those sites are dependent on ACE. The ones I look at when ACE is down are HAARP and USGS; [link to geomag.usgs.gov] [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] And this Australian government site; [link to www.ips.gov.au] Last Edited by El Quisqueyano on 11/20/2011 02:05 PM |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is starting to worry me; Quoting: El Quisqueyano [link to www2.nict.go.jp] No activity is worse than some activity. If we get caught with our shields down and a storm hits us there will be lot's of seismic activity. Also know that when our shields are this down, the incoming ground reaching neutron energy can really charge up them volcanoes that are already active. Hey ELQ. Do you have any alternative links for monitoring Earth's magnetic field in case NICT is offline or malfunctioning. Nice to have something to fall back on after the recent downtime and the steps on the current chart look a little fishy. These are the sites that i would otherwise turn to if i wasn't checking them already. It's obviously very heavily reliant on NOAA. Not sure that is a good idea either. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to solarimg.org] Then there is this local one. [link to www.aberdeenastro.org.uk] Anyway, if you have any links to share it'd be greatly appreciated. Anyway elses input is much appreciated too. Also, do you know if NICT uses it's own measuring instruments/data for their simulation or are they dependent on another institution? Thanks Hi, TardisBlue, I'm pretty certain all data inputs for the NICT simulation come from the rusty old ACE satellite and NOAA. The NICT simulation is quite unique, but I have found other visual back-ups in case of geo-storms. NASA has a Magnetopause simulation streamer here: [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] There is also a real-time bow-shock simulation from Lockheed which has been around since 1999: [link to pixie.spasci.com] I hope that helps-please let us know if you find any others. I found that both of them you recommend are also dependent on ACE. I know that pixie site is. |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5734430 United States 11/20/2011 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howdy, El Q! The solar wind speed is quite low now. I believe this makes it easier for cosmic rays to enter. Are you familiar with this graph? [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] I was hoping for some help understanding it. Solar wind speed down to 285 km/s. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] You think maybe the sun is getting ready to push out a big flare? Awful quiet out there. They must have some issues with that U of Del. link-yesteday the page was full of colored beach balls...it was crazy. Anyway, I found another link that may be useful to you and others. Chart from Japan shows 27-day rotation cycle of sun w/GOES X-Ray, Magnetometer, etc.-gives a broader view of what's going on w/sun-earth interactions. [link to swnews.jp] Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 11/20/2011 02:12 PM |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5734430 United States 11/20/2011 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi all, Quoting: IwantToBelieve76 nice info guys!!! damn, if you have some real life with friends....sun woke's up...grrrr^^ Hello, IWTB, have you checked out the new region lately-it's pretty awesome-looking. [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Latest STEREO A pic showing CME: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Wake me up when SOHO falls out of bed, LOL. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howdy, El Q! The solar wind speed is quite low now. I believe this makes it easier for cosmic rays to enter. Are you familiar with this graph? [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] I was hoping for some help understanding it. Solar wind speed down to 285 km/s. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] You think maybe the sun is getting ready to push out a big flare? Awful quiet out there. They must have some issues with that U of Del. link-yesteday the page was full of colored beach balls...it was crazy. Anyway, I found another link that may be useful to you and others. Chart from Japan shows 27-day rotation cycle of sun w/GOES X-Ray, Magnetometer, etc.-gives a broader view of what's going on w/sun-earth interactions. [link to swnews.jp] Nice site. How do I get firefox to translate the page?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297814 Germany 11/20/2011 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Hugh M Eye Howdy, El Q! The solar wind speed is quite low now. I believe this makes it easier for cosmic rays to enter. Are you familiar with this graph? [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] I was hoping for some help understanding it. Solar wind speed down to 285 km/s. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] You think maybe the sun is getting ready to push out a big flare? Awful quiet out there. They must have some issues with that U of Del. link-yesteday the page was full of colored beach balls...it was crazy. Anyway, I found another link that may be useful to you and others. Chart from Japan shows 27-day rotation cycle of sun w/GOES X-Ray, Magnetometer, etc.-gives a broader view of what's going on w/sun-earth interactions. [link to swnews.jp] Nice site. How do I get firefox to translate the page?? Here we go: [link to translate.google.de] awesome |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 5618581 United States 11/20/2011 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: El Quisqueyano You think maybe the sun is getting ready to push out a big flare? Awful quiet out there. They must have some issues with that U of Del. link-yesteday the page was full of colored beach balls...it was crazy. Anyway, I found another link that may be useful to you and others. Chart from Japan shows 27-day rotation cycle of sun w/GOES X-Ray, Magnetometer, etc.-gives a broader view of what's going on w/sun-earth interactions. [link to swnews.jp] Nice site. How do I get firefox to translate the page?? Here we go: [link to translate.google.de] awesome Thanks IWTB your always such a great help. Namaste. |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5734430 United States 11/20/2011 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks, IWTB, I just stumbled on that plot recently and bookmarked w/o translation. SOHO and STEREO B still not updating, but the view from STEREO A is little bit scary-looking. Latest Cor 2 image: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Latest Cor 2 movie: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297814 Germany 11/20/2011 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks, IWTB, I just stumbled on that plot recently and bookmarked w/o translation. Quoting: Hugh M Eye SOHO and STEREO B still not updating, but the view from STEREO A is little bit scary-looking. Latest Cor 2 image: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Latest Cor 2 movie: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] wow! rly nice looks vid worthy, hehe A coronal hole (CH485) was in an Earth facing position on November 19-20 :coronalHoleNov20: [link to www.solen.info] This could explain the unusualy action in ace(yesterday and today): :aceNov19: |
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Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/20/2011 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kudos! Well done, well done. I'm glad you found that last clip-you can see how the filament flopping around caused a hyder flare. Great job, sir. You deserve a Dinkelacker Dunkel, LOL. SOHO is missing 6 crucial hours of data-which really screws up CME-tracking CACTUS, SEEDS, and so on. Here's the Cor 3 image 6 hours later. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Here's the STEREO A movie updated-the last frame shows a back-side CME, too. [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] From the C3 image, I would guess Earth is not in the path; but perhaps a glancing blow. |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/21/2011 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mr. SOHO, your photos are ready. Finally found some of the lost SOHO images of the large CME...movies aren't ready yet. Cor 2: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Later far-side CME: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/21/2011 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mr. SOHO, your photos are ready. Finally found some of the lost SOHO images of the large CME...movies aren't ready yet. Quoting: Hugh M Eye Cor 2: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Later far-side CME: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] CACTUS CME movies show two partial halo events yesterday. The first and largest was from the filament eruption-163 degree angular width (type II halo): [link to www.sidc.oma.be] The second was on the far-side and had an angular width of 202 degrees (type III halo): [link to www.sidc.oma.be] SIDC makes no mention of CMEs in their daily summary so we must be safe. [link to sidc.oma.be] SOTERIA flare predictor has 1357 as a new active region in the NW-south of 1350. [link to sidc.oma.be] |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/21/2011 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yesterday: [link to halpha.nso.edu] Now: [link to halpha.nso.edu] In this time-lapse movie from Cerro Tololo Observatory, you can see how fat the filament is as it's seen in profile going over the limb. Large chunks of it were ejected into space causing the big CME. [link to halpha.nso.edu] |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/21/2011 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Strong suggests that CME may be geo-effective. [link to www.youtube.com] Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 11/21/2011 11:44 AM |
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Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/21/2011 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CME Cygnet model shows Earth dodging another bullet; Mars to take direct hit. [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] Is it just dumb luck or is Sol playing cat 'n' mouse with us? Or does the sun have "consciousness"; taking care to nurture life and not to harm it? If the radioactive fallout, chemtrails, CERN, etc. break or weaken this "metaphysical field", Earth may be in for some solar retribution. Pic of CME's leading edge from STEREO A's HI 1 imager: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] As noted by El Q yesterday, the solar wind is so slow now (271 km/s) that the cosmic ray density is rising steadily. [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 5744777 United States 11/21/2011 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This deserves a GLP thread of its own. Scientists and policy-makers meet in Boulder to discuss wargaming for deep impact scenario. The diverse group, assembled by non-profit Secure World Foundation on behalf of "Action Team 14" (???!!!), a United Nations sub-committee, "have been working for several years on the blueprints for an Information, Analysis, and Warning Network...". A global version of EAS I suppose. [link to www.skyandtelescope.com] Three years ago, 2008TC3 slammed into Earth's atmosphere over Sudan just 19 hours after its discovery. Luckily it was only a car-sized rock. [link to www.skyandtelescope.com] |