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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
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absolutley!
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hey good morning sweetyhf
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How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
 Quoting: Shenue


haha, finally some action here kiss ^^


i enjoy my brake from work and wait for old region 1339..
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


So, cutie-pie, did earth get hit with something last night or early this morning? Did we have a CME hit us? It looks like we did. Is that what you all were talking about last night?
 Quoting: Shenue


yep honey,

At about 2110z yesterday the coronal mass ejection arrived.

Initially, the Bz went negative to minus 12 at 2202z but then went positive around midnight and stayed positive till 0530z(UT)

The K-Index increase a bit but didnt reach geomagnetic storm status.

But we know it was only a flank impact
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757117


absolutley!
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Hey I actually knew the answer to that question (a very rare occurrence), but you beat me to it IWTB. lol :Þ
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learner you may find this u tube series interesting


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plasmatic magnetic field : say that 22 times quickly...

srsly tho: spontaneous creation of light?
what happened to conservation of energy?

none of this will make sense till we figure out what gravity and inertia really are and couch them properly in terms of magnetic fields and electric currents.

and make sense of the whole wave/particle duality shenanigans...

 Quoting: learner 6119679


agreed
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How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
 Quoting: Shenue


haha, finally some action here kiss ^^


i enjoy my brake from work and wait for old region 1339..
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


So, cutie-pie, did earth get hit with something last night or early this morning? Did we have a CME hit us? It looks like we did. Is that what you all were talking about last night?
 Quoting: Shenue


yep honey,

At about 2110z yesterday the coronal mass ejection arrived.

Initially, the Bz went negative to minus 12 at 2202z but then went positive around midnight and stayed positive till 0530z(UT)

The K-Index increase a bit but didnt reach geomagnetic storm status.

But we know it was only a flank impact
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Ah ok, Thanks hf Maybe one of these days I will actually understand what you all are talking about. :-) I shall keep trying.
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haha shenue....u still understand all this stuff


you only want a private lesson, or? ^^
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757117


absolutley!
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Ok, so knowing this, the following is seeming a bit vague to me:

"From August 28, 1859 until September 2, numerous sunspots and solar flares were observed on the sun. Just before noon on September 1, the British astronomer Richard Carrington observed the largest flare, which caused a massive coronal mass ejection (CME) to travel directly toward Earth, taking 18 hours. This is remarkable because such a journey normally takes three to four days. It moved so quickly because an earlier CME had cleared its way"

It is remarkable, maybe a CME was already on the way, and didn't get here in 18 hours as postulated.
I don't know what technology existed in 1859 to observe CME's.

just a thought
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haha shenue....u still understand all this stuff


you only want a private lesson, or? ^^
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I think I'm too darn old to learn this stuff. lol Maybe someone will invent a way to learn using osmosis. That's about my only hope now. huh
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haha shenue....u still understand all this stuff


you only want a private lesson, or? ^^
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


I think I'm too darn old to learn this stuff. lol Maybe someone will invent a way to learn using osmosis. That's about my only hope now. huh
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^^okay i will try to learn it...:D
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ok guyz.

i can't make sense of this.

somebody posted the link to the HAARP Fluxgate Magnetometer site ( here's the archive link: [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] ) and i been studying the data....

something is weird.

if u use the above site and set it to 30 day data and fine scale (200 nT) with all three magnetic components included, you'll get a nice graph of the polar field variation over time. What it shows is that just before that weird cosmic ray flux event we had on the 21st, something 'rung the bell' and all the components reversed polarity (this is what the graph says, ok?). After that, not only has the polarity remained reversed, but the normal daily rhythm is gone as well.

now.
using the same chart, set the data to a one week time scale.

u can see that both graphs show the same spike events (as they should) and that the earth's daily rhythm is still gone (chaotic).

what is different is that the one week data does not show the same magnitude in reversal, with component oscillations crossing the 0 line (changing direction). the 30 day data set is clearly different (except for the spikes).

what gives?

HAARP is one our newest installations, right? .. with the most modern sensors?

i've worked with and created a lot of data sets: this should not happen when one changes time scales....

whatever this means, one thing is clear: ever since just before coming into opposition with our ghost comet, the earth's field has gone all wonky...

this bears keeping an eye on, me thinks.
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whatever this means, one thing is clear: ever since just before coming into opposition with our ghost comet, the earth's field has gone all wonky...

this bears keeping an eye on, me thinks.
 Quoting: learner 6119679


still wonky (pattern not re-established) but at least the vectors are pointing in their normal direction again.

this as of today. looks like the CME glancing blow 'rung the bell' a bit, but also caused? allowed? helped? the field re-align.

i think these events need to be plotted on the same graph and the timing looked at...the problem of course is that CME's take varying times to reach earth, right? and our only really reliable start point for inbound CME's is STEREO A&B, right?

clearly CME impacts wobble our field, but other stuff does too, right?

did anybody ever consider that CME's could be accelerated by Sol's field spokes (cyclotrone style- they are charged right? plszma = charged-? faster and slower CME's resulting from spacial location with respect to concentrated solar mag fields?
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whatever this means, one thing is clear: ever since just before coming into opposition with our ghost comet, the earth's field has gone all wonky...

this bears keeping an eye on, me thinks.
 Quoting: learner 6119679


still wonky (pattern not re-established) but at least the vectors are pointing in their normal direction again.

this as of today. looks like the CME glancing blow 'rung the bell' a bit, but also caused? allowed? helped? the field re-align.

i think these events need to be plotted on the same graph and the timing looked at...the problem of course is that CME's take varying times to reach earth, right? and our only really reliable start point for inbound CME's is STEREO A&B, right?

clearly CME impacts wobble our field, but other stuff does too, right?

did anybody ever consider that CME's could be accelerated by Sol's field spokes (cyclotrone style- they are charged right? plszma = charged-? faster and slower CME's resulting from spacial location with respect to concentrated solar mag fields?
 Quoting: learner 6119679


like it:

I believe Mother Nature does not speak English.
Mother Nature tells us what must be honored, and has been talking to us on many domains, and we have dataset's we're still trying to understand. I cannot talk to all the theoretician's because there are no theories were I am. What we have is wonderful, and it comes from miracles occurring, but that what we see will not be that what we have. To listen where languages are not taught and verbalization is not used.
But we have to learn its language
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you are shaping your thoughts to match/translate the language
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I think every time you put in a different time scale it re-averages the variation.

ok guyz.

i can't make sense of this.

somebody posted the link to the HAARP Fluxgate Magnetometer site ( here's the archive link: [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] ) and i been studying the data....

something is weird.

if u use the above site and set it to 30 day data and fine scale (200 nT) with all three magnetic components included, you'll get a nice graph of the polar field variation over time. What it shows is that just before that weird cosmic ray flux event we had on the 21st, something 'rung the bell' and all the components reversed polarity (this is what the graph says, ok?). After that, not only has the polarity remained reversed, but the normal daily rhythm is gone as well.

now.
using the same chart, set the data to a one week time scale.

u can see that both graphs show the same spike events (as they should) and that the earth's daily rhythm is still gone (chaotic).

what is different is that the one week data does not show the same magnitude in reversal, with component oscillations crossing the 0 line (changing direction). the 30 day data set is clearly different (except for the spikes).

what gives?

HAARP is one our newest installations, right? .. with the most modern sensors?

i've worked with and created a lot of data sets: this should not happen when one changes time scales....

whatever this means, one thing is clear: ever since just before coming into opposition with our ghost comet, the earth's field has gone all wonky...

this bears keeping an eye on, me thinks.
 Quoting: learner 6119679
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Just like our system lately
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Aether : check this out [link to www.bigupload.com]

i found this a coupla a months ago in cyberspace.

its... well, a radical way of looking at planet formation and 'matter' in general. its stream of consciousness, so it can be a bit hard to follow sometimes.

i think its brilliant... and more correct than anything else i've read so far.
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Aether : check this out [link to www.bigupload.com]

i found this a coupla a months ago in cyberspace.

its... well, a radical way of looking at planet formation and 'matter' in general. its stream of consciousness, so it can be a bit hard to follow sometimes.

i think its brilliant... and more correct than anything else i've read so far.
 Quoting: leaner 6119679


i found this a few days ago : [link to www.bigupload.com]

read the doc, then look at the linked .jpg

the two were unrelated and posted by different people.
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yesterday it was a bit cloudy....



Have a look at some beauty Auroras:


[link to www.earthcam.com]
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yesterday it was a bit cloudy....



Have a look at some beauty Auroras:


[link to www.earthcam.com]
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Man, I would love to see that in person! Simply beautiful!
How are ya IWTB?
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yesterday it was a bit cloudy....



Have a look at some beauty Auroras:


[link to www.earthcam.com]
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Man, I would love to see that in person! Simply beautiful!
How are ya IWTB?
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hi, im fine...hows about you?

enjoying a cold beer atm, hehedance
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yesterday it was a bit cloudy....



Have a look at some beauty Auroras:


[link to www.earthcam.com]
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Man, I would love to see that in person! Simply beautiful!
How are ya IWTB?
 Quoting: MamaHasAwakened


hi, im fine...hows about you?

enjoying a cold beer atm, hehedance
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


So far so good! Can't complain!
It's so cold (39 degrees) and windy here!

May have to make a hot toddy later!

ohyeah
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Okay seems we get soon another CME (Backside; hi hugh^^) not earth directed:

:cmenov29backside:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]




SIDC - RWC BELGIUM Tue Nov 29 2011
Solar activity is expected to remain at eruptive levels with NOAA ARs 1361 and 1362 being the most likely to produce C flares in the incoming days. What looks like a failed filament eruption occurred on Nov. 28th around 2130 UT, to the west of the central meridian. No CME is seen on LASCO C2. The bright CME observed at 0800 UT on Nov. 28th on the East limb is linked to a filament eruption that occurred close to the East limb, in the North-East quadrant. No geomagnetic effect is foreseen.
[link to sidc.oma.be]


Sunspot Update:

:newspotsnov29:
Img from Solarham shows 2 in the south but believe me its one region^^

We have two new regions which rotated into view, one over the north-east limb and the other over the south-east limb

The one in the south-east looks the more complex of the two


Largest solar flare so far today took place from region 1362 at 0900z and was a C2
[link to www.lmsal.com]


ps:
right after this new regions...our friend is waiting...
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Great video IWTB! You are kicking butt with this program! I know the amount of work it took to create it and that was awesome!

I am on looking through the thread.

I wanted to say hi to everyone and let you guys know that I have not abandoned you. chuckle

I am having to play catch up after the Holiday, and just don't have the time to do the solar research that I love to do.

You guys are doing a great job here!
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HI TOM!!!!


Glad to see ya...rly we miss you and i hope you have more time next

We do our best but its not the same without you and NINZ :(


and thx, if we ever have a glp or solarparty i will pay the first round :D
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Dont know who it was but someone ask about Haarp/ELF/UHF waveforms..


A list of random PDF files about all this stuff :
[link to www.mediafire.com]
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Okay seems we get soon another CME (Backside; hi hugh^^) not earth directed:

:cmenov29backside:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]




SIDC - RWC BELGIUM Tue Nov 29 2011
Solar activity is expected to remain at eruptive levels with NOAA ARs 1361 and 1362 being the most likely to produce C flares in the incoming days. What looks like a failed filament eruption occurred on Nov. 28th around 2130 UT, to the west of the central meridian. No CME is seen on LASCO C2. The bright CME observed at 0800 UT on Nov. 28th on the East limb is linked to a filament eruption that occurred close to the East limb, in the North-East quadrant. No geomagnetic effect is foreseen.
[link to sidc.oma.be]


Sunspot Update:

:newspotsnov29:
Img from Solarham shows 2 in the south but believe me its one region^^

We have two new regions which rotated into view, one over the north-east limb and the other over the south-east limb

The one in the south-east looks the more complex of the two


Largest solar flare so far today took place from region 1362 at 0900z and was a C2
[link to www.lmsal.com]


ps:
right after this new regions...our friend is waiting...
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Nice call
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
farside CME now
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Last night's aurorae over Abisko, Lapland.
[glpvideo]

[link to vimeo.com]

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Time for this old gal to crawl between the sheets. Good night all.
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Quiet solar activity flare-wise with filament eruptions providing most of the excitement lately. SOHO Cor 2 caught the last far-side CME in action:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Only 4 C-flares yesterday with the strongest being only C2 from 1362. Two new active regions have been enumerated. AR11363 near the southeast limb is quite large and complex. It's already produced 3 C-flares.
[link to www.solarmonitor.org]

On the NE limb we have AR11364 -a medium-sized spot. On the northwest limb we still have some filaments to be watchful of.

[link to www.solarmonitor.org]

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

[link to sidc.oma.be]
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Time for this old gal to crawl between the sheets. Good night all.
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G'night, Shenue, sleep tight (whatever that means).
peacehf

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