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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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Comet Lovejoy enters Lasco C3 FOV




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Seems we have soon another CME

:latestStereoAhea:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]


Latest StereoAhead C2 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Seems we have soon another CME

:latestStereoAhea:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]


Latest StereoAhead C2 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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That one is earth-bound right?
Earth is always to the Left of Stereo A?

Any word on the magnitude of the CME?

I know we've been getting pretty lucky the last few years, especially the last few months. Few that could of been bad, had they been aimed at us..

Just out of curiosity, what is the Worst case scenario?
Something along-the-lines of an EMP?
Or, would it do something like:
Strip earths atmosphere, and catch everything on fire?
(how there can be fire w/o an atmosphere I don't know. Just seems like the Worst Possible thing that could happen.)
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Seems we have soon another CME

:latestStereoAhea:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]


Latest StereoAhead C2 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


That one is earth-bound right?
Earth is always to the Left of Stereo A?

Any word on the magnitude of the CME?

I know we've been getting pretty lucky the last few years, especially the last few months. Few that could of been bad, had they been aimed at us..

Just out of curiosity, what is the Worst case scenario?
Something along-the-lines of an EMP?
Or, would it do something like:
Strip earths atmosphere, and catch everything on fire?
(how there can be fire w/o an atmosphere I don't know. Just seems like the Worst Possible thing that could happen.)
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it's earth directed yes but we have to wait a bit

but we had we had bigger ones in the past and this will not kill us^^

we are solar watchers and trying to keep ppl informed
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We have also a last gift from Region 1367:


C 5.8 Flare
:flare1367:


Beg C1.0
14/1318

Max C5.8
14/1327


2011/12/14 13:18:00 13:30:00 13:27:00 C5.8
[link to www.lmsal.com]


SDO AIA 304 close before Flare took place..
:sdobeforeflare13:



latest IMG STEREO A C2:
:lateststereoa125:


Edit:

latest 13:54
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Info on Comet Lovejoy

:latestlascoc3:



Next SOHO spacecraft contact is at 1600UT, so that's when we'll get a little more real-time data. It's all being recorded on-board though


Comet to Make Death Dive through Sun Thursday

A comet with a death wish is set to skim through the atmosphere of the sun late Thursday (Dec. 15), likely destroying itself but offering a neat show to solar satellites.

The comet is what's known as a Kreutz Sungrazing comet, or a "sungrazer," so-named because it will graze the surface of the sun...

ReadMore:
[link to www.space.com]





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and another Flare from Region 1367

Peaking at 1459z C7.5
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

:C7Flare1455:



2011/12/14 14:51:00 15:01:00 14:59:00 C7.5 S19W89 ( 1367 )
[link to www.lmsal.com]






Latest Stereo A C2 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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and another Flare from Region 1367

Peaking at 1459z C7.5
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]



Latest Stereo A C2 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


how interesting that x-ray activity is picking up now that Comet Lovejoy is getting close:

[link to www.solarham.com]

obviously mainstream cosmologists are going to say it`s just all coincidence, but people with some EU knowledge will know better. A few interesting days lie ahead!
We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. - Anais Nin
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good morning
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and another Flare from Region 1367

Peaking at 1459z C7.5
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]



Latest Stereo A C2 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


how interesting that x-ray activity is picking up now that Comet Lovejoy is getting close:

[link to www.solarham.com]

obviously mainstream cosmologists are going to say it`s just all coincidence, but people with some EU knowledge will know better. A few interesting days lie ahead!
 Quoting: Nacht im Walde


yep, it will be very int!


Hi Shenuee


NASA developing comet harpoon for sample return


The best way to grab a sample of a rotating comet that is racing through the inner solar system at up to 150,000 miles per hour while spewing chunks of ice, rock and dust may be to avoid the risky business of landing on it. Instead, researchers want to send a spacecraft to rendezvous with a comet, then fire a harpoon to rapidly acquire samples from specific locations with surgical precision while hovering above the target. Using this "standoff" technique would allow samples to be collected even from areas that are much too rugged or dangerous to permit the landing and safe operation of a spacecraft....
[link to www.physorg.com]
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Finally as i said SOHO update at 16:00 UT

:latestlascoc3lov: :latestlascoc3163:
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]


Here some Info about SOHO and Stereo (FOV):

:cometlovejoyster: :cometlovejoysoho:


Latest LASCO C3 MOVIE:
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]


Latest StereoBehind HI1 Movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]


Latest Stereo Ahead HI1 Movie:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]


Update:

Latest Lasco C3 Movie Close Up created with Helioviewer

[link to helioviewer.org]




Upate from SungrazerComets:

Dec 14th, 2011


1500UT: If comets could feel paranoia, Comet Lovejoy would be starting to get really uncomfortable today as a third camera now has the giant snowball in its sights! As predicted, early this morning C/2011 W3 (Lovejoy) made its debut in the LASCO C3 camera, the most recent image of which is shown opposite (click for full-resolution). Normally for Kreutz-group comets I will crop out part of the image to highlight exactly where the comet is. In this instance, however, I really don't think that's necessary and will instead leave it as an exercise for the reader to scour the image and try to spot the comet...

So now our focus is on LASCO C3, there are some things you will need to know about the images we are taking, and when we expect to see them. First off, we are running an observing campaign on LASCO in which we will be taking images with different exposure times and different colored filters in order to maximize the science return that we can get from the comet. What this means to you, the internet observer, is that you will not see as many "pretty picture" LASCO images online as you normally would, simply because our standard processing routines ignore anything but our nominal (standard) images. Those data files will be available online to download though, of course, and in realtime when available.....

[link to sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil]





and another cme building....now far sides226

:stereoahead1609:
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G'day, folks. Lots going on in solar-space I see. Boy, that comet looks bigger than 2 football fields doesn't it? STEREO website has added "difference" images and movies to their regular data..Kudos to NASA(more for us to look at). Two recent CMEs seen from STEREO A--one near-side, one far-side--here's the diff movie:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Latest SOHO Cor 2:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

1367 (probably the source of the first CME) can be seen flaring like mad over the western limb in the H-alpha movie:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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This is how insignificant 1367 looked on Dec. 9 before it approached the limb. Both 1367 and 1363 (the big spot) were very quiet all of last week.
:1367G:

It's remarkable to be producing so many strong flares suddenly. Perhaps it's recycling magnetic field energy from the decay of the large region preceding it.

Scroll down to the bottom of this flare list-astounding.

[link to www.lmsal.com]

The near-side CME noted earlier is not Earth-directed; again, it's directed at a 90 degree angle to us.

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
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hehe, nice


but its not fair if you come that late :P
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Update Sungrazing comets

1900UT: This is too cute: Comet Lovejoy has a friend! Look in the upper-half of the animation opposite, starting at center and moving diagonally up and to the left, perfectly in step with Lovejoy... It's another Kreutz-group comet! (if you can't see it, here's a hint)

As nice as this is, I am not in the least surprised. SOHO's Kreutz-group comets are very "clumpy", for want of a better word. We frequently see them arrive in pairs or sometimes trios, and the big bright ones in particular will often have a companion comet. I suspected we would get at least one with Comet Lovejoy and indeed we do. It's much more typical of the size and brightness of Kreutz comets we see, and offers a wonderful comparison to highlight just how special Comet Lovejoy is....


also

1950UT: Friend of mine, and expert SOHO comet researcher, Dr. Matthew Knight (Lowell Observatory/JHU-APL) has just sent me some of his preliminary photometry calculations for Comet Lovejoy in the LASCO C3 images...

[link to sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil]
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This is how insignificant 1367 looked on Dec. 9 before it approached the limb. Both 1367 and 1363 (the big spot) were very quiet all of last week.

It's remarkable to be producing so many strong flares suddenly. Perhaps it's recycling magnetic field energy from the decay of the large region preceding it.

Scroll down to the bottom of this flare list-astounding.

[link to www.lmsal.com]

The near-side CME noted earlier is not Earth-directed; again, it's directed at a 90 degree angle to us.

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye



When a coronal mass ejection greeted Comet NEAT, space scientists called it a “coincidence”. But in an electric universe such events deserve a second look.

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

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And we have a second C 7 Flare from Region....yep 1367

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

2011/12/14 19:36:00 19:56:00 19:46:00 C7.0 S17W89 ( 1367 )
[link to www.lmsal.com]
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This is how insignificant 1367 looked on Dec. 9 before it approached the limb. Both 1367 and 1363 (the big spot) were very quiet all of last week.

It's remarkable to be producing so many strong flares suddenly. Perhaps it's recycling magnetic field energy from the decay of the large region preceding it.

Scroll down to the bottom of this flare list-astounding.

[link to www.lmsal.com]

The near-side CME noted earlier is not Earth-directed; again, it's directed at a 90 degree angle to us.

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye



When a coronal mass ejection greeted Comet NEAT, space scientists called it a “coincidence”. But in an electric universe such events deserve a second look.

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
 Quoting: Nacht im Walde


I'm definitely expecting Lovejoy to provoke at least one CME. However, I don't think the activity from over-the-limb region 1367 (19 C-flares in the past 2 days) is related to the comet. The so-called "experts" are already joking on twitter about a CME "coincidence" BEFORE IT EVEN HAPPENS. How many times do we need to see a cause-and-effect event before it ceases to be a "coincidence"?

[link to twitter.com]

The very first sun-diving comet ever photographed from space produced a CME!

[link to www.nrl.navy.mil]
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Latest Comet Lovejoy image from SOHO C3--he's got a big tail.

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
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[link to www.youtube.com]


GoodNight Hugh and all!
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STEREO Ahead has been MIA for over 10 hours. Latest SOHO C3 image of Comet Lovejoy (I jazzed it up some to be different):
:lovejoy0318:

For updates check here:

[link to sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil]

And Twitter page here:

[link to twitter.com]

Active region 1367 churned out an amazing 21 C-flares in two days and is now well over the limb.

[link to www.solarmonitor.org]

Happy 16th Birthday to SOHO. Let's hope NASA doesn't get too hung-over to get out the data.
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The very large off the page red and blue dots are back on this graph.
[link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu]
Does someone know what it might mean?

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Could this be Lovejoy's CME welcome committee?

:lovejoycme:

Is that the comet just entering the frame at bottom left?
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GoodMorning allgrouphug


Comet C/2011 W3 (Lovejoy) approaches the Sun


Australian amateur astronomer Terry Lovejoy discovered on Nov. 27.7 his third comet, designated C/2011 W3 (Lovejoy). On our previous post about this comet you can see our follow-up image and animation.

C/2011 W3 is a Kreutz sungrazer, a family of sungrazing comets that are named after German astronomer Heinrich Kreutz who first studied them in the details. These comet fragments passes extremely close to the Sun at perihelion and usually they completely evaporated during such a close approach....


ReadMore:
[link to remanzacco.blogspot.com]
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So our friend Lovejoy seems to enter Stereo A + B right now:


:lovejoystereoa:


latest STEREO A MOVIE:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]




:lovejoystereob:


latest STEREO B MOVIE:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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woohoo




[link to www.youtube.com]


Satellites to Watch Comet's Death Plunge Through Sun Today

A newly discovered comet is set to make a death dive into the sun's atmosphere today (Dec. 15), and scientists will have a ringside seat to watch its fiery demise....


ReadMore:
[link to www.space.com]





If it does survive for longer, we'll have a go with Faulkes to image it (as we did with Elenin) from nickastronomer



i hope he rly does....


[link to www.youtube.com]


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woohoo




[link to www.youtube.com]


Satellites to Watch Comet's Death Plunge Through Sun Today

A newly discovered comet is set to make a death dive into the sun's atmosphere today (Dec. 15), and scientists will have a ringside seat to watch its fiery demise....


ReadMore:
[link to www.space.com]





If it does survive for longer, we'll have a go with Faulkes to image it (as we did with Elenin) from nickastronomer



i hope he rly does....


[link to www.youtube.com]


dancedancedance








Next SOHO spacecraft contact begins at 15:45UT. We'll get a couple of images but it's just a short 1hr pass. Next one is then 22:20UT

[link to twitter.com]



Lasco C3 Movie -- longer Version (At first you will see the smaller sundiving comet past day ago then Lovejoy with his brother in front)
[link to helioviewer.org]
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hi

Good Morning all

Just got this info this morning:



Last month, a massive solar storm launched itself toward Mars just as NASA's new rover, Curiosity, was blasting off from Cape Canaveral in the same direction. The coincidence heralds a new job for the multi-talented rover: For the next 9 months, Curiosity will monitor solar storms en route to the Red Planet.


[link to science.nasa.gov]

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Hello, Nacht, I'm sorry to have to correct you, friend, but the Ap Index does not measure the sun's magnetic field. It's a measurement of variations in Earth's magnetic field--sort of a planetary-wide Kp index. As you probably know the Kp Index is localized and varies from station to station. Of course it's very much influenced by the solar wind, CMEs, etc.

I wouldn't put much stock into that Russian Cosmic Ray chart. If you go back in this thread to Nov. 21 or 22 there was a whole "panic" over this cosmic ray variation spike--it was "the biggest in 60 years!"-it was off the charts. Well look at it now--the giant spike of Nov. 21 isn't there anymore.
[link to helios.izmiran.rssi.ru]
mewhat unpredictable, which is why it's so exciting to observe.

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thanks Hugh for your elaborate response. I am just a bit confused because I read this definition of the Ap index as well:

The Sun’s magnetic field extends far out into space. It not only surrounds Earth, it also extends well beyond Pluto. The more powerful the Sun’s magnetic field, the more it alters the Earth’s geomagnetic field. The Ap index is measure of this alteration. The Ap index measurements began in the 1930’s. The chart that follows shows the Ap index beginning in 2000 through most of 2010. The peak in the 2003 -2004 time frame is Cycle 23. The Solar activity was high during that time, reaching an Ap index of 35 at its peak. In October 2005, the Ap Index dropped significantly and has remained very low since then.

[link to cbdakota.wordpress.com]

And it does make sense to say if the geomagnetic activity on earth is weaker that the sun`s activity would be lower as well. Doesn`t a lower activity imply also a weaker magnetic field of the sun? Maybe that`s what I got wrong.


I remember the day with all the hype form the Moscow Neutron Monitor station as well. But I have to diagree with you in that I don`t think that it was "only" an anomaly. There is a clear upward trend from this day onward. It is even better visible here:

[link to helios.izmiran.rssi.ru]

If the trend would have been ongoing it should still be somewhere around -10 compared to the -2 where it is now. (note that it slowly increased in one month from -3 to-2 on the hourly chart)

This almost certainly has to be related with the waning activity on the sun atm. Again, thanks for correcting me.
 Quoting: Nacht im Walde


Hey, I'm no expert in this field. Everything I know about sun-Earth geomagnetic relationships and cosmic rays I've learned on this thread or research inspired by this thread (thank you, NINzrez!). The Ap index is a more long-range indicator of solar-influenced geomagnetic activity. In general it should rise with higher solar activity, but many other factors are involved on a daily, weekly, short-term basis. What if 90% of the X-flares happen on the far side? They'd have little effect on Earth therefore little effect on the Ap Index. Solar events like large CMEs only effect our magnetosphere if they hit us. This doesn't mean a lack of solar activity, just weak Earth-directed effects. Over time this should all even out and when we look back at the figures a couple of years from now we'll have a better grasp of what happened. As I've noted before, most of these strong flares and big CMEs have not been facing Earth.

RE: Cosmic Rays....Until someone can explain to me what the hell the Russian graph shows, I won't put too much stock in it. It shows a percentage variance over time of 1 to minus 8. What does that mean ? VARIATION to what? Yesterday's graph or some arbitrary mean of "normal" cosmic rays. Nothing on that site explains their graph. Neutrons must be measured from many stations to have any meaning. Cosmic rays are very scattered and there is no uniform flow to measure. Whenever the solar wind slows down more cosmic rays are allowed to interact with Earth. Again we may see trends over the course of a solar cycle or a half-cycle, but these daily or weekly measurements tell us very little IMO. In any case I prefer to trust the South Pole Neutron Monitor.

Thanks for the link to the climate article. I agree the sun's magnetosphere goes out to where the Voyagers 1&2 are exploring and measuring the solar wind-far beyond Pluto's orbit. The solar wind here and out there is gusty and clumpy. It's effects on Earth have a lot to do with the Parker spiral as well as the N-S directional electromagnetic charge of the ion stream. What we can measure from Earth (K-index, Ap Index, HAARP, etc) is only local weather effects.
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


nice discussion here guys.

my thoughts:

the Ap index is derived by averaging the A index which is a linearization the K index (which has non linear scale and so averaging it makes no sense).

did u get that...? what it means is that the Ap index is an average value of a linerized k index... which is a measure of activity not strength.

variation.

and as far as i can tell, earth's geofield responds to many different exciters, many of which we have no clue about. The recent 'lul' in the k index and hence the Ap index may be a bit misleading because it looks for specific behavior (variation in the horizontal component actually) and if the behavior changes, then the index may not reflect that.

Based on HAARP data, the geofield looks active to me, just not in a way that registers on the k index... shrug: more data needed here...

on the cosmic ray stuff, Hugh:

the scale is a % variation from some baseline value. i think each baseline (measured at different points on the globe) is slightly different (one station reports the % variation above or bellow 100%, which is the same as positive or negative around some assumed 'zero' value).

so while many stations have (slightly) different baseline values, the trends (either up or down) should track. I always look for multiple confirmations on large spikes, so i agree with Hugh in not putting too much weight on the Russian data... tho it IS weird!

these sites:

[link to 132.248.105.25]
[link to helios.izmiran.rssi.ru]
[link to cosmicrays.oulu.fi]

are the three i am currently using. They all agree on the general (and anomalous) increase in cosmic ray count, which, we need to remember, is an inferred count based on neutron counts.


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