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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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I have little understanding of all this to begin with, but I was wondering the same thing El Q. By the way, I hope you are well. :-)
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I am great thanks. Hope you are the same.

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Do the V /km and the density p/cc match the pressure image? Seems to me like the V/km and density should be higher to produce white levels on the pressure pic.

Just me wondering.
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The whole view feels off, but doesn't seem to match. Maybe that clouds got its finger in the pot again
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Looks like a blast of dark plasma or Gamma;

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Nin,Hugh- In another thread someone was mentioning that we had 2 GRB.What does this mean?Is it a common occurance?What are the effects og GRB on earth
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GRBS are gamma ray bursts and usually are caused by antimatter anihilation,they are super high energy photons.GRBs can cause critical energy devastation if concentrated enough.Some believe grbs are actually newly released jet particles from our galactic black hole, i'm not sure what is worse.
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extra crispy---
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Do the V /km and the density p/cc match the pressure image? Seems to me like the V/km and density should be higher to produce white levels on the pressure pic.

Just me wondering.
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The whole view feels off, but doesn't seem to match. Maybe that clouds got its finger in the pot again
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Looks like a blast of dark plasma or Gamma;

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


I hope its not gamma but that is being thrown around alot lately.I just posted that several physicists believe we are getting our first taste of jet particles from the neighborhood black hole,and as DEC. approaches we 're gonna see alot more as our allignment takes shape.Who really knows, i'm sure someone does but their not telling, SOOOOO many variables to look at these days, problem is its hard to figure what theory or theories are relevant
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extra crispy---
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Shields seem to be holding their own
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is it possible for the magnetosphere to blow away?

would any of this cause a pole shift?

How much trouble could we really be in if this goes down hill fast like at 12am or so?

What is the worst ever senario- say for tonight?

And thanks inadvance for answering my questions...
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IS THE SUN GIVING BIRTH TO A NEW PLANET

I am not a scientist, but I have a theory about a couple of different things when it comes to the origin of our universe. My ideas seems to be fairly original, yet simple. I believe that the Sun gave birth to all of the planets, one by one. That the sun spits out a large ball of plasma every 80 billion years or so resulting in a new planet. Each planet is an offspring of the sun on an outward journey away from it. A ball of molten plasma exploding out into space, spinning and slowly cooling until the outer crust forms. Basically the planets are a timeline of what happens to a ball of plasma shot out of the sun. Ball of plasma-cools-crusts over, spins from its source, expands and breaks apart, sweating oceans, exploding into a gas and then freezing as it reached the depths of space. Mercury is a baby and Pluto is an old man.

1. Mercury the newest planet, closest to the sun. Mercury has cooled on the outside but remains molten within, a planet to be. Gases and moisture trap within the cooling rock as it hurtles through frozen space at breakneck speed.

2. Venus which soon will be in the sweet spot rotation that Earth is in. Once there it will begin to expand and oceans will form as the Earth once expanded or spun apart from a sheer rock surface to what it is now. Venus is the next earth.

3. Earth is expanding, spinning and twisting apart to reveal the oceans, when the next planet is born, we will all die, perhaps this is what the Mayans knew of? 2012 or sometime soon a new planet will be born. Will it be born out of the sun? Yes. Will that event destroy all mankind? Yes, I'm afraid so. What may loook like a star will be born out of the sun, cooling into a new planet

4. Mars- Once had life much like Earth but was disintegrated when Mercury was born, soon to be a gas giant once it explodes in 6 billion years

5. Jupiter- Hard to believe, but Jupiter was once the size of earth, still a heat source remains within, but mostly this gas giant consists of gas

6. Saturn- Much like Jupiter, just shrinking and freezing as it moves away from the sun

7. Neptune- Allt he gas condenses and freezes and we have these two ice giants

8. uranus
MAYBE THIS WOULD EXPLAIN THE PLASMA BALL ATTATED TO THE BOTTOMLEFT OF THE SUN THIS MORNING

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 Quoting: LUCUS

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12331300


cool2My question is inside;
Is it to stop the activity or to increase it? ...
We will know within hours if the sun becomes violent or the opposite, I have a conclusion and that is, if you have not seen anything prior to the high activity, but now that the sun is about to unleash large flares lets see it today, then I think the intention of the object is * slow * activity, and boy, it seems that this is so that the level of protons is inexplicably flat ...
Maybe I can be to mitigate for any special event and then the sun will continue its cycle high, but if it lasts longer quiet hours ... so maybe my theory is correct, if not there been only a capricious personal view wrong .
Immediately my mind began to recede and I remembered a picture of the many that I keep on Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians ... I kept hechado in bed in this hellish hot afternoon where you can not be inside or out, rather than air conditioning , and left the rest, I searched and found a CD that I was disturbing image ... and of course ... to see it I can only understand many things.
A high god, sitting comfortably leading his creation, who holds a column can be a partner holding the sun hung on ropes and down ... other partners who seem "" "repair something that Sun" "" fairly. in the same place .... what we are seeing today in our sun ..

link image Una-Anu;

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

Coincidence?, Maybe someone of you might believe that I have too much imagination, or the Sumerian figure represents something else, according to scholars, but do not know ...
Every time something strange can be seen, the ones that are talking and are seen by everyone, always consider that reveal that we tie ropes and not by mere chance.
Manuel

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It's been several hours since I published my theory, and seems to be coming true. The strange object near the sun, the activity has changed, so we're all confused .. trying Official data report that the Sun is almost dead .. no activity.
Remind me, especially those who always write in this thread and are now missing, experts ... I'm not, I'm just an observer of all.
cool2
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no one will comment on these videos cause they dont know what to say!
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is it possible for the magnetosphere to blow away?

would any of this cause a pole shift?

How much trouble could we really be in if this goes down hill fast like at 12am or so?

What is the worst ever senario- say for tonight?

And thanks inadvance for answering my questions...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3487467


1) I don't really think it would be possible for the magnetosphere to blow away, the core would have to stop moving to stop generating the magnetic field. It is however getting weaker so over time it may start showing worse results from hits of similar strength (I.E. stronger geomagnetic storms)

2) I'm not qualified to speak to the effect of CMEs on the core already, I'm just some guy but I don't particularly think that it would cause a pole shift. There may be evidence we are approaching one already (just a magnetic not a tectonic) but its not exact science and the time frames are looooong

3) I don't expect this CME to be a disaster, but if things go downhill the trouble would mostly be with power systems at high latitudes in a moderate-severe event

4) Worst ever scenario? From the CME itself without any drastic changes in the earth would be a severe geomagnetic storm of the G5 class that rages long and powerfully enough to induce currents in the earth that burn out our entire electric grid. Everything we have is "Grounded" and the earth becoming charged from these events would destroy transformers (and have on a smaller/regional scale). In the carrington event in 1859 it was said telegraphs sparked and caused fires. Imagine that happening with every single structure being wired on all sides with current carrying copper wiring surrounded by flammable material.

That's all "Could be" though. I don't expect this CME to be out of the ordinary. Carrington was 2,400kms+. I think if we were to get a "Worst case scenario" solar storm you might hear more about it beforehand. Like a rapid succession of strong hits or strong hits traveling some ridiculous speed (2,500-3,000kms)

If a CME launched off at 4,000kms or an unusually long chain of strong CMEs lifted off directly at earth you would hear more "OH fuck" from people who pay attention to it. But who really knows? This stuff seems to have a lot more variables than anyone knows and it all depends on each CME independently and however the earths magnetosphere reacts and how it's polarity is tilted and its condition after a previous hit and the speed of a CME and the composition of it, the density of it and on and on.

The important thing is to realize that there is a danger, not think that it is crazy to think about it, and watch these events to learn more about it. Nobody I know knew anything about CMEs, yesterdays hit or tomorrows. So in some golden BB event when everyones house bursts into flames or the grid goes down it would pay to be the one guy in your town who wouldn't speed days/weeks waiting on the power company to give you back HBO and take steps to assess the situation from the moment it happened.
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Nin,Hugh- In another thread someone was mentioning that we had 2 GRB.What does this mean?Is it a common occurance?What are the effects og GRB on earth
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Hello, A Coward, ever hear of wikipedia? A gamma ray burst (GRB) is a huge burst of gamma rays from exploding stars (usually in galaxies billions of light-years away, thankfully). If GRB happened in a near part of the Milky Way, almost certainly all life on Earth would become extinct. GRB=ELE.

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cool2My question is inside;
Is it to stop the activity or to increase it? ...
We will know within hours if the sun becomes violent or the opposite, I have a conclusion and that is, if you have not seen anything prior to the high activity, but now that the sun is about to unleash large flares lets see it today, then I think the intention of the object is * slow * activity, and boy, it seems that this is so that the level of protons is inexplicably flat ...
Maybe I can be to mitigate for any special event and then the sun will continue its cycle high, but if it lasts longer quiet hours ... so maybe my theory is correct, if not there been only a capricious personal view wrong .
Immediately my mind began to recede and I remembered a picture of the many that I keep on Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians ... I kept hechado in bed in this hellish hot afternoon where you can not be inside or out, rather than air conditioning , and left the rest, I searched and found a CD that I was disturbing image ... and of course ... to see it I can only understand many things.
A high god, sitting comfortably leading his creation, who holds a column can be a partner holding the sun hung on ropes and down ... other partners who seem "" "repair something that Sun" "" fairly. in the same place .... what we are seeing today in our sun ..

link image Una-Anu;

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

Coincidence?, Maybe someone of you might believe that I have too much imagination, or the Sumerian figure represents something else, according to scholars, but do not know ...
Every time something strange can be seen, the ones that are talking and are seen by everyone, always consider that reveal that we tie ropes and not by mere chance.
Manuel

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It's been several hours since I published my theory, and seems to be coming true. The strange object near the sun, the activity has changed, so we're all confused .. trying Official data report that the Sun is almost dead .. no activity.
Remind me, especially those who always write in this thread and are now missing, experts ... I'm not, I'm just an observer of all.
cool2
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no one will comment on these videos cause they dont know what to say!
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Optical illusion of random image artifacts... i.e. The human mind tries to make something out of patterns in an effort to understand it.

It's most likely nothing of any significance.

There, I have given an answer hf
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cool2My question is inside;
Is it to stop the activity or to increase it? ...
We will know within hours if the sun becomes violent or the opposite, I have a conclusion and that is, if you have not seen anything prior to the high activity, but now that the sun is about to unleash large flares lets see it today, then I think the intention of the object is * slow * activity, and boy, it seems that this is so that the level of protons is inexplicably flat ...
Maybe I can be to mitigate for any special event and then the sun will continue its cycle high, but if it lasts longer quiet hours ... so maybe my theory is correct, if not there been only a capricious personal view wrong .
Immediately my mind began to recede and I remembered a picture of the many that I keep on Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians ... I kept hechado in bed in this hellish hot afternoon where you can not be inside or out, rather than air conditioning , and left the rest, I searched and found a CD that I was disturbing image ... and of course ... to see it I can only understand many things.
A high god, sitting comfortably leading his creation, who holds a column can be a partner holding the sun hung on ropes and down ... other partners who seem "" "repair something that Sun" "" fairly. in the same place .... what we are seeing today in our sun ..

link image Una-Anu;

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

Coincidence?, Maybe someone of you might believe that I have too much imagination, or the Sumerian figure represents something else, according to scholars, but do not know ...
Every time something strange can be seen, the ones that are talking and are seen by everyone, always consider that reveal that we tie ropes and not by mere chance.
Manuel

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12336863


It's been several hours since I published my theory, and seems to be coming true. The strange object near the sun, the activity has changed, so we're all confused .. trying Official data report that the Sun is almost dead .. no activity.
Remind me, especially those who always write in this thread and are now missing, experts ... I'm not, I'm just an observer of all.
cool2
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no one will comment on these videos cause they dont know what to say!
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Optical illusion of random image artifacts... i.e. The human mind tries to make something out of patterns in an effort to understand it.

It's most likely nothing of any significance.

There, I have given an answer hf
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I have a better answer for you

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Nin,Hugh- In another thread someone was mentioning that we had 2 GRB.What does this mean?Is it a common occurance?What are the effects og GRB on earth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12350880


Hello, A Coward, ever hear of wikipedia? A gamma ray burst (GRB) is a huge burst of gamma rays from exploding stars (usually in galaxies billions of light-years away, thankfully). If GRB happened in a near part of the Milky Way, almost certainly all life on Earth would become extinct. GRB=ELE.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Hold on a minute Hugh, not trying to bust your bubble here.

It has only been hypothesized that a gamma-ray burst in the Milky Way, pointing directly towards the Earth, could cause a mass extinction event only if hit by the two narrow beams of intense radiation released during a supernova event and were actually pointed towards earth. But what about the 360 degree gravitational shock wave blast? You know these cause ripples in space. They can induce a lot of geophysical anomalies.
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Nin,Hugh- In another thread someone was mentioning that we had 2 GRB.What does this mean?Is it a common occurance?What are the effects og GRB on earth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12350880


Hello, A Coward, ever hear of wikipedia? A gamma ray burst (GRB) is a huge burst of gamma rays from exploding stars (usually in galaxies billions of light-years away, thankfully). If GRB happened in a near part of the Milky Way, almost certainly all life on Earth would become extinct. GRB=ELE.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Hold on a minute Hugh, not trying to bust your bubble here.

It has only been hypothesized that a gamma-ray burst in the Milky Way, pointing directly towards the Earth, could cause a mass extinction event only if hit by the two narrow beams of intense radiation released during a supernova event and were actually pointed towards earth. But what about the 360 degree gravitational shock wave blast? You know these cause ripples in space. They can induce a lot of geophysical anomalies.
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They can effect the Sun too. Just like a flare effects earth.
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is it possible for the magnetosphere to blow away?

would any of this cause a pole shift?

How much trouble could we really be in if this goes down hill fast like at 12am or so?

What is the worst ever senario- say for tonight?

And thanks inadvance for answering my questions...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3487467


1) I don't really think it would be possible for the magnetosphere to blow away, the core would have to stop moving to stop generating the magnetic field. It is however getting weaker so over time it may start showing worse results from hits of similar strength (I.E. stronger geomagnetic storms)

2) I'm not qualified to speak to the effect of CMEs on the core already, I'm just some guy but I don't particularly think that it would cause a pole shift. There may be evidence we are approaching one already (just a magnetic not a tectonic) but its not exact science and the time frames are looooong

3) I don't expect this CME to be a disaster, but if things go downhill the trouble would mostly be with power systems at high latitudes in a moderate-severe event

4) Worst ever scenario? From the CME itself without any drastic changes in the earth would be a severe geomagnetic storm of the G5 class that rages long and powerfully enough to induce currents in the earth that burn out our entire electric grid. Everything we have is "Grounded" and the earth becoming charged from these events would destroy transformers (and have on a smaller/regional scale). In the carrington event in 1859 it was said telegraphs sparked and caused fires. Imagine that happening with every single structure being wired on all sides with current carrying copper wiring surrounded by flammable material.

That's all "Could be" though. I don't expect this CME to be out of the ordinary. Carrington was 2,400kms+. I think if we were to get a "Worst case scenario" solar storm you might hear more about it beforehand. Like a rapid succession of strong hits or strong hits traveling some ridiculous speed (2,500-3,000kms)

If a CME launched off at 4,000kms or an unusually long chain of strong CMEs lifted off directly at earth you would hear more "OH fuck" from people who pay attention to it. But who really knows? This stuff seems to have a lot more variables than anyone knows and it all depends on each CME independently and however the earths magnetosphere reacts and how it's polarity is tilted and its condition after a previous hit and the speed of a CME and the composition of it, the density of it and on and on.

The important thing is to realize that there is a danger, not think that it is crazy to think about it, and watch these events to learn more about it. Nobody I know knew anything about CMEs, yesterdays hit or tomorrows. So in some golden BB event when everyones house bursts into flames or the grid goes down it would pay to be the one guy in your town who wouldn't speed days/weeks waiting on the power company to give you back HBO and take steps to assess the situation from the moment it happened.
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Ok then, I can rest tonight. But one more question then---

Say that a 1/2 carrington event happened tomorrow( or when expected) Would it help to shut the main breaker of in your house like for a minute or a few hours or what ever to stop a possible fire from a power surge or would that help at all. Instead of waiting and seeing---if it went bad could things be done to keep you house or stuff from catching on fire? or if it happens is it just over- and nothing could possibly be done....And there are a lot of people who could not fathem such an occurence and have tunnel vision thinking that just unplugging your super priced electronics (like in a thunder storm) is all you need to do---people can't understand a big picture....

My last question and thank you so much...
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is it possible for the magnetosphere to blow away?

would any of this cause a pole shift?

How much trouble could we really be in if this goes down hill fast like at 12am or so?

What is the worst ever senario- say for tonight?

And thanks inadvance for answering my questions...
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1) I don't really think it would be possible for the magnetosphere to blow away, the core would have to stop moving to stop generating the magnetic field. It is however getting weaker so over time it may start showing worse results from hits of similar strength (I.E. stronger geomagnetic storms)

2) I'm not qualified to speak to the effect of CMEs on the core already, I'm just some guy but I don't particularly think that it would cause a pole shift. There may be evidence we are approaching one already (just a magnetic not a tectonic) but its not exact science and the time frames are looooong

3) I don't expect this CME to be a disaster, but if things go downhill the trouble would mostly be with power systems at high latitudes in a moderate-severe event

4) Worst ever scenario? From the CME itself without any drastic changes in the earth would be a severe geomagnetic storm of the G5 class that rages long and powerfully enough to induce currents in the earth that burn out our entire electric grid. Everything we have is "Grounded" and the earth becoming charged from these events would destroy transformers (and have on a smaller/regional scale). In the carrington event in 1859 it was said telegraphs sparked and caused fires. Imagine that happening with every single structure being wired on all sides with current carrying copper wiring surrounded by flammable material.

That's all "Could be" though. I don't expect this CME to be out of the ordinary. Carrington was 2,400kms+. I think if we were to get a "Worst case scenario" solar storm you might hear more about it beforehand. Like a rapid succession of strong hits or strong hits traveling some ridiculous speed (2,500-3,000kms)

If a CME launched off at 4,000kms or an unusually long chain of strong CMEs lifted off directly at earth you would hear more "OH fuck" from people who pay attention to it. But who really knows? This stuff seems to have a lot more variables than anyone knows and it all depends on each CME independently and however the earths magnetosphere reacts and how it's polarity is tilted and its condition after a previous hit and the speed of a CME and the composition of it, the density of it and on and on.

The important thing is to realize that there is a danger, not think that it is crazy to think about it, and watch these events to learn more about it. Nobody I know knew anything about CMEs, yesterdays hit or tomorrows. So in some golden BB event when everyones house bursts into flames or the grid goes down it would pay to be the one guy in your town who wouldn't speed days/weeks waiting on the power company to give you back HBO and take steps to assess the situation from the moment it happened.
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Ok then, I can rest tonight. But one more question then---

Say that a 1/2 carrington event happened tomorrow( or when expected) Would it help to shut the main breaker of in your house like for a minute or a few hours or what ever to stop a possible fire from a power surge or would that help at all. Instead of waiting and seeing---if it went bad could things be done to keep you house or stuff from catching on fire? or if it happens is it just over- and nothing could possibly be done....And there are a lot of people who could not fathem such an occurence and have tunnel vision thinking that just unplugging your super priced electronics (like in a thunder storm) is all you need to do---people can't understand a big picture....

My last question and thank you so much...
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Yes, highly recommended to hit your main breaker and shut it down on or around the time NASA says CME, of that magnitude, will be coming in. Only if you have knowledge of and know how to remove a meter, it is recommended you do that too. Only if you know how to handle such a task.

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We have two new numbered region, AR1433 in the northeast and 1434 in the southeast.

NOAA latest solar region summary-

:Product: Solar Region Summary
:Issued: 2012 Mar 12 0030 UTC
# Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA,
# Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force.
#
Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 72 Issued at 0030Z on 12 Mar 2012
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 11 Mar
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 11/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1428 S15W60 323 0030 Cao 03 03 Beta
1429 N18W38 301 0840 Ekc 13 22 Beta-Gamma-Delta
1430 N20W54 317 0100 Cao 04 06 Beta
1432 N16E40 223 0050 Cao 04 05 Beta
1433 N12E63 200 0150 Dso 05 03 Beta
1434 S22E58 205 0090 Dso 08 04 Beta
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

We've had several small C-flares from 1432 and 1430.

[link to www.lmsal.com]

The CME currently hitting us has been very weakly geo-effective. But don't let your guard down, as NOAA is predicting a strong G3 storm for March 13th (tomorrow night EDT).

Space Weather Message Code: WATA50
Serial Number: 46
Issue Time: 2012 Mar 12 0227 UTC
WATCH: Geomagnetic A-index of 50 or greater predicted
NOAA Scale: Periods reaching the G3 (Strong) Level Likely

Valid for UTC Day: 2012 Mar 13
Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 50 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude.
Induced Currents - Power system voltage irregularities possible, false alarms may be triggered on some protection devices.
Spacecraft - Systems may experience surface charging; increased drag on low Earth-orbit satellites and orientation problems may occur.
Navigation - Intermittent satellite navigation (GPS) problems, including loss-of-lock and increased range error may occur.
Radio - HF (high frequency) radio may be intermittent.
Aurora - Aurora may be seen as low as Pennsylvania to Iowa to Oregon.

As of now, geo-space is quiet.

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Thank you for all your answers--I understand. (That would be a Husband job...LOL) He knows how to do that stuff.
I did think to shut off the breaker but I forgot about the meter part--(The big picture).
Thanks again.
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Thank you for all your answers--I understand. (That would be a Husband job...LOL) He knows how to do that stuff.
I did think to shut off the breaker but I forgot about the meter part--(The big picture).
Thanks again.
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I don't suggest the meter unless you are knowledgeable and know how to remove and install these meters. Just hit your breaker and keep a fire extinguisher near your panel(Which everyone should have) in case it bleeds in and causes a fire.
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No worries, that would be a super supreme senerio and + the utility co would charge a fine I am sure for there clip or what ever they put on there to prevent turning it upside down or something (they use do that alot in the 80's--) LOL
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Very interesting........
Age of warning satellite causes concern
A U.S. satellite giving the only advance warning of incoming high-energy solar particles is getting old and is possibly on its last legs, researchers say.
But a replacement for NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer, or ACE, satellite is at least two years away, they said.
ACE provides the only advance notice of incoming high-energy particles from the sun which can wreak havoc on indispensable radio, GPS and satellite communications, researchers said.
Launched in 1997, ACE gives the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration's space weather forecasting arm advance notice if a storm is headed toward Earth, as it did with the solar storm that left the sun Tuesday.
How much longer the satellite can keep working is a concern, scientists said.
The full article is here:
[link to www.spacedaily.com]

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Very interesting........
Age of warning satellite causes concern
A U.S. satellite giving the only advance warning of incoming high-energy solar particles is getting old and is possibly on its last legs, researchers say.
But a replacement for NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer, or ACE, satellite is at least two years away, they said.
ACE provides the only advance notice of incoming high-energy particles from the sun which can wreak havoc on indispensable radio, GPS and satellite communications, researchers said.
Launched in 1997, ACE gives the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration's space weather forecasting arm advance notice if a storm is headed toward Earth, as it did with the solar storm that left the sun Tuesday.
How much longer the satellite can keep working is a concern, scientists said.
The full article is here:
[link to www.spacedaily.com]

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I am sure they have or are working on a replacement. I would at least hope they were.
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Thank you for all your answers--I understand. (That would be a Husband job...LOL) He knows how to do that stuff.
I did think to shut off the breaker but I forgot about the meter part--(The big picture).
Thanks again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3487467


I don't suggest the meter unless you are knowledgeable and know how to remove and install these meters. Just hit your breaker and keep a fire extinguisher near your panel(Which everyone should have) in case it bleeds in and causes a fire.
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


No worries, that would be a super supreme senerio and + the utility co would charge a fine I am sure for there clip or what ever they put on there to prevent turning it upside down or something (they use do that alot in the 80's--) LOL
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Rule #1: Don't believe anything you read on this website!

A super-large geomagnetic storm would induce strong ground currents and possibly brief surges of electricity in large metal infrastructure such as pipelines, electrical transmission lines, large undersea cables, railroads, etc. Your home would only experience an outage if your utility company experienced grid-failure. Don't go disconnecting wires in your house without an electrician! These surges won't send flames shooting out of your sockets or anything--they only shut down the utility company

1989 Quebec Blackout

At 2:43 am EST, a large impulse in the Earth's magnetic field erupted along the U.S./ Canadian border. GICs immediately started to flow in the southern portions of the Hydro-Quebec grid. In reaction to the GIC, voltage on the network began to sag as the storm increased in magnitude; automatic voltage compensating devices in the network rapidly turned ``on'' to correct this voltage imbalance. Unfortunately these compensators themselves were vulnerable to the harmonics generated in the network's transformers, and mis-operation of relays to protect these devices caused the entire fleet of 7 compensators on the network to shut down within 60 seconds of the beginning of the storm impulse. When the compensators shut down, the network collapse followed within a matter of seconds, putting over 6 million inhabitants of the province in the dark. Going from normal conditions to a complete province-wide blackout occurred in an elapsed time of just 90 seconds.

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Very interesting........
Age of warning satellite causes concern
A U.S. satellite giving the only advance warning of incoming high-energy solar particles is getting old and is possibly on its last legs, researchers say.
But a replacement for NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer, or ACE, satellite is at least two years away, they said.
ACE provides the only advance notice of incoming high-energy particles from the sun which can wreak havoc on indispensable radio, GPS and satellite communications, researchers said.
Launched in 1997, ACE gives the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration's space weather forecasting arm advance notice if a storm is headed toward Earth, as it did with the solar storm that left the sun Tuesday.
How much longer the satellite can keep working is a concern, scientists said.
The full article is here:
[link to www.spacedaily.com]

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I am sure they have or are working on a replacement. I would at least hope they were.
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Uhm we are talking about the same government that put us $17 Trillion in debt right? Planning is not their strong point lmfao!
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Anyone here know whats going on with this:


[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Nice little flare there.

Looks like a C2

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Thread: BREAKING....That Thing on the Southwest Corner of the Sun Blew Out a Nice CME
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knock knock.....

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The arrival time was around (from my understanding) 2pm eastern (+/- 7 hours) so 7am to 9pm window, its 5 am and we are intensely compressed right now.

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Did it arrive early?

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We just had huge jumps in both solar wind/density and the bowshock looks compressed more than yesterday already and up with january 23rd levels.
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That pressures looks insane!

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ps... where is everyone?

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