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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
psyoptics

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Trying to find more info on the US Air Force role as a partner of NOAA and you come across some weird stuff. The USAF space weather operations seem to be HQ'd at Ouffutt Air Base in Nebraska (where Bush and Warren Buffett hid out during 9/11). They constantly mention Learmonth, Australia as their other main base (I guess OZ will never be independent of the Empire). But weirdest of all is their logo which seems to flaunt the dark Masonic-Luciferian occult mindset in an in-yur-face kinda way. Check it out here: [link to www.afweather.af.mil]
No hoax-here's their factsheet:

[link to www.afweather.af.mil]

It's almost a comical put-on, but, hey, the Air Force Academy now recognizes Wiccans and Satanists as mainstream religions. The goofy sneakers need an expert's analysis, haha. What does the O-X mean? Ex Umbra In Solem means "from shadow into sunlight" or something similar....I do believe there's a dark occult conspiracy in the upper realms of power; but this cartoonish, over-the-top shit is just laughable. What's next? Bohemian Grove Skull & Bones trading cards??? Puh-leeze, gimmee a break.
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Note: Although I bash R.C. Hoagland's theories on occassion, I think he's mostly correct about the Illuminati and NASA.
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


i know you do not lie but this sure looks photoshoped!!ha ha
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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WOW this is scaryhiding

[link to www.cnn.com]


Sun spits out giant fireball
 Quoting: Goofy for God


anderson cooper..."wow are they rolling on that all the time....how did they know?"

the bigger question is why the science desk lady did not know the answer...or anyone in the booth?

piss poor job here by MSM.

this thread knows sooo much more then they do!

i am with hugh in the point here is a very active region with a huge spot that has know made national news for almost 24 hours and it still has not been numbered?

[link to sidc.oma.be]

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a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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NOAA has numbered the new active region AR1460. No, not THAT new active region, the other one sprouting at 40 degrees northeast.

"Hey, we're a bunch of high-paid government retards here at NOAA. It takes all day Mondays to come up with one good number. We do it by committee over six pots of coffee. Hell, we already have an idea set for tomorrow's number."

Here's my resume, dumbfucks;...big new active region to named.......................aham,....AR1461.

Sometimes the bureaucratic stupidity of NASA and NOAA just fuel the fires of conspiracy theories and cover-ups. Mostly, though, it's over-paid and over-"educated" bungling civil service flunkies. It would be funny if I wasn't about to scream with rage.

Anyway, to the east of AR1460 (which has popped up in just 10 hours) is our M-flaring region of interest (AR1461???). It would stand to reason that there must more to this region than the one spot we see so far.
:1460_HMII:

:Product: Solar Region Summary
:Issued: 2012 Apr 17 0030 UTC

# Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA,
# Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force.
#
Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 108 Issued at 0030Z on 17 Apr 2012
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 16 Apr
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 16/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1455 N06W59 206 0200 Fsi 17 16 Beta
1457 N20E03 144 0010 Axx 02 01 Alpha
1458 N06E41 106 0010 Bxo 09 02 Beta
1459 S15E56 091 0260 Fhi 18 12 Beta
1460 N15E40 107 0020 Cro 02 05

IA. H-alpha Plages without Spots. Locations Valid at 16/2400Z Apr
Nmbr Location Lo
1454 S12W14 162
1456 S20W75 223
II. Regions Due to Return 17 Apr to 19 Apr
Nmbr Lat Lo
1445 S22 044
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

(notice no mention of the actively flaring region! sheesh)
:AR1460Hello:
:4/16cme:
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No really, say whats on your mind, ha haha
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With the risk of sounding like Richard Hoagland, I wonder if the cause of the bright flashes I saw and the recent jag of earthquakes has anything to do with a bit of an unwind in our twisted magnetosphere, seems that would produce the energy required.
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Another CME recently appears to be Earth-directed.

STEREO A cor 2 image:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

SOHO cor 2 image shows some interest details which look like concentric rings:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

The filament in the NW looks suspicious, but there was also an eruption near mid-disk in the south. More investigation is needed to determine the source.

Big Bear h-alpha movie:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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Any agency like NASA would be foolish and immature to engage in public speculation - leadership just doesn't work like that, but, here we have that option ha ha, Anyway, I wonder if a partial unwind of the magnetosphere would lesson the internal magnetic "pressure" on earth - changing the dynamic pressure gradient, also making the magnetic field less of an obstacle for incoming particles or forces.
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Another CME recently appears to be Earth-directed.

STEREO A cor 2 image:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

SOHO cor 2 image shows some interest details which look like concentric rings:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

The filament in the NW looks suspicious, but there was also an eruption near mid-disk in the south. More investigation is needed to determine the source.

Big Bear h-alpha movie:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


yep indeed! nice one Hugh


Filament erupts in the north west SDO AIA 304 shows it up
[link to i1220.photobucket.com]



OFFTOPIC! :





Grrrrrrrr^^
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Another CME recently appears to be Earth-directed.

STEREO A cor 2 image:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

SOHO cor 2 image shows some interest details which look like concentric rings:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

The filament in the NW looks suspicious, but there was also an eruption near mid-disk in the south. More investigation is needed to determine the source.

Big Bear h-alpha movie:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


yep indeed! nice one Hugh


Filament erupts in the north west SDO AIA 304 shows it up
[link to i1220.photobucket.com]



OFFTOPIC! :





Grrrrrrrr^^
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 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


lolsign King Lion Raise Up!
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Yes, the NW filament eruption was the source. Most likely a glancing blow...not really Earth-directed. But we've seen this type of NW eruption cause geomagnetic storms before, so we'll have to keep a look-out. SIDC is saying we may see some shock effects from yesterday's M-flare eruption, although it wasn't at all Earth-directed. And don't forget we also have a small slo-mo cme (from the 15th) on the way.

From SIDC daily summary:
COMMENT: A few C-class flares and an M-class flare were observed during
the past 24 hours. We expect active conditions with C-class and M-class
flares possible. An M1.7 flare was observed by GOES on April 16, peaking
at 17:40 UT. The flare originated from an active region (Catania 03)
which appeared on the east limb today. The accompanying CME propagated
with the speed of about 1300 km/s. This CME will not trigger significant
geomagnetic activity, but a glancing glow from the CME-driven shock
wave, on late April 18, is possible.
Solar wind speed is low, and
amounts about 340 km/s. [link to sidc.oma.be]

SDO 3-wave composite image of recent eruption:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

CACTus details of yesterday's CME blast:

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]
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Today's Earth-facing CME coincided with a far-side CME as seen by STEREO Ahead:

C2A Movie:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Some minor disturbance in geo-space can be seen in the GOES electron flux plot:

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

K-indices are in the 3 or 4 range currently:

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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I understand CNN would like a copy of this to beef up their "science" department and talking points ;)
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B 9.99999999.....dang almost a "C"!!!
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New vid up :)

New CME /Sunspot Update/ Secret of the Sun--04/17/2012


[link to www.youtube.com]
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3 CME's at the same exact time.

Thread: WTF!! 3 CME's fired off at the same exact time!! WOW!!!!!
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Another CME recently appears to be Earth-directed.

STEREO A cor 2 image:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

SOHO cor 2 image shows some interest details which look like concentric rings:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

The filament in the NW looks suspicious, but there was also an eruption near mid-disk in the south. More investigation is needed to determine the source.

Big Bear h-alpha movie:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


yep indeed! nice one Hugh


Filament erupts in the north west SDO AIA 304 shows it up
[link to i1220.photobucket.com]

The lion pic is coolhfhf

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Grrrrrrrr^^
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Yes, and amazingly they all miss the Earth....um, er...maybe a glancing blow.

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

After a fierce debate today at the Starbuck's in Boulder, NOAA has agreed to name the M-flaring region AR1461 and the new sunspot region in the south near mid-disk as AR1462.

:Product: Solar Region Summary
:Issued: 2012 Apr 18 0030 UTC
# Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA,
# Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force.
#
Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 109 Issued at 0030Z on 18 Apr 2012
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 17 Apr
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 17/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1455 N05W78 212 0030 Cao 05 03 Beta
1459 S15E40 094 0150 Dao 09 11 Beta
1460 N16E26 108 0050 Dso 04 06 Beta
1461 N13E66 068 0040 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
1462 S23W07 009 0030 Cao 04 07 Beta

IA. H-alpha Plages without Spots. Locations Valid at 17/2400Z Apr
Nmbr Location Lo
1454 S12W28 163
1456 S20W89 224
1457 N20W11 146
1458 N06E26 109

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Oddly, the new region 1461, which blasted out the M-flare and 2 CMEs in recent days, is only one spot and almost the smallest of all the active regions. What's the matter with all of the under-achievers?

Latest hi-res intensitygram:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Thank you ALL for all you do.

Good Morning hf
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Thanks for being nice after thant rant TS66. Now enjoy your new found star!
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Yes, and amazingly they all miss the Earth....um, er...maybe a glancing blow.

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

After a fierce debate today at the Starbuck's in Boulder, NOAA has agreed to name the M-flaring region AR1461 and the new sunspot region in the south near mid-disk as AR1462.

:Product: Solar Region Summary
:Issued: 2012 Apr 18 0030 UTC
# Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA,
# Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force.
#
Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 109 Issued at 0030Z on 18 Apr 2012
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 17 Apr
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 17/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1455 N05W78 212 0030 Cao 05 03 Beta
1459 S15E40 094 0150 Dao 09 11 Beta
1460 N16E26 108 0050 Dso 04 06 Beta
1461 N13E66 068 0040 Hsx 01 01 Alpha
1462 S23W07 009 0030 Cao 04 07 Beta

IA. H-alpha Plages without Spots. Locations Valid at 17/2400Z Apr
Nmbr Location Lo
1454 S12W28 163
1456 S20W89 224
1457 N20W11 146
1458 N06E26 109

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Oddly, the new region 1461, which blasted out the M-flare and 2 CMEs in recent days, is only one spot and almost the smallest of all the active regions. What's the matter with all of the under-achievers?

Latest hi-res intensitygram:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


Perfect sumation of the that conversation..chuckle

Thanks Hugh!
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If anyone would like to continue to view coronal cavities as anything other than an interesting, well studied solar feature, please be consistent and address CME's as Cookie Monster Emmision.

This took two hours... bored now... must go to work.

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thanks AC

wow that should end that.
if you were member karma for all that!
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Coronal Cavities are a "new Phenomenon" in an area that should have been documented over the last 500 years with the instruments that have been available to view this phenomenon. That said, we enjoy all perpespectives that are offerd on this thread, and make a concious decision to allow individuals to freely express their hypothesis without an underlying scientific knowledge base. This thread is for individuals of all educational backrounds with varying views, thoughts, questions, hypothesis, and various knowledge bases; that wish to learn from each other, as well as inform the general public as to the state of the current, and expected geomagnetic disturbances at hand.

My wonderful friends!

WE have decided in tandem, Ninzrez, IWTB as well as myself, to start a culling process for those of you that would rather cause more disruption to a thread that was designed to inform people than to distract them. Part of scientific discovery is debate, but disent and deferring to reckless web sites will no longer be tolerated on this thread. This thread was started by Ninzrez and myself and we have a website at My Solar Alerts. NINzRez, Myself, and IWTB own that site and are the only contributors. If you want to get banned from this thread, post a link to another site that has copied our information from our blogsite! Last warning!

Now get with the program and remember why you are on this thread!


Thanks for your continued cooperation in this matter,

Tom
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A short history of coronal cavity observation... 500 years? I think not.

Prior to the invention of the coronograph (or coronagraph) in the early '30's, the only potential time to view prominences, CME's, flares and coronal cavities would have been during infrequent solar eclipses lasting minutes. They saw the flares and CME's back in the mid to late 1800's (Carrington of course and Tempel who in 1860 became one of the first ever to draw a CME, during that year's eclipse). Since coronal cavities are more difficult to see than CME's or flares they probably weren't observed until later (see previous post regarding coronal cavities).

After the coronograph came into use, the astronomers of the day seem to have gained ground rapidly... article with a great drawing and photos, that look like they contain coronal cavities, which of course they weren't called then, but the text is descriptive enough to understand that is what they were describing, at least in part...

...a 1944 look at the June 19, 1936 eclipse... [link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

Summing up, as soon as they had the ability to consistently observe the sun's corona they were seeing coronal cavities. They didn't have that ability 500 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nor are coronal cavities a "new Phenomenon" (see previous post regarding coronal cavities). To most in the astonomy arena they are an established, interesting, intensely studied solar feature, with great promise for furthering understanding of the sun.

However, in the spirit of the new edict... "...disent [sic]... will no longer be tolerated on this thread"...

[link to dictionary.reference.com]

1. to differ in sentiment or opinion, especially from the majority; withhold assent; disagree.
2. to disagree with the methods, goals, etc., of a political party or government; take an opposing view.
3. to disagree with or reject the doctrines or authority of an established church.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Dissent is a sentiment or philosophy of non-agreement or opposition to a prevailing idea (e.g. a government's policies) or an entity (e.g. an individual or political party which supports such policies).

... I retract all of the above. Baaaaaaaaaaa.

How TPTB of you. No, no, no, just kidding. You're right, heh heh. I even took another look at the coronal cav, er spaceship feeding, rotated the cavity up, adjusted the brightness and contrast to better see detail and, dang it, you were right about that too. The original shil, uh, poster, who said it was spherical and the size of Jupiter was wrong though. It's at least twice that size (the object's disk is scaled to Jupiter's diameter) and elliptical, just like coronal cav, uh, spaceship feeding, I guess. Anyhow here ya go...

[link to imageshack.us]

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Amen!
Now back to the halls of justice....
"C" flare from...........
NOAA slackers...
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A C 3.1 flare from another new un-numbered region emerging to the west of 1462. Looks like NOAA has to come up with a new number tomorrow, hehe. It's just weird to see these small regions flaring loudly while the larger regions are comatose.

GOES X-Ray flux:
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

GONG H-alpha loop:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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has this been down since the second???
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has this been down since the second???
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Yup
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean I am wrong.

Isaiah 5:20 (KJV)
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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Not sure if anyone has posted these. Patrick Geryl is predicting significant flare and earthquake activity for this Sunday (April 22):



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Guys, remember a few pages back I predicted no M and X-class flares until a few months later? Looks like my predictions was wrong lol since recently an M 1.7 class flare occurred. Now I will make a new prediction just for fun. I predict that by June 1st, there will be an X-class flare registering higher than X-10.shitstir2
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AR1455 seems to be decaying and regions 1454,56, 57, and 58 have pretty much disappeared. AR1459 in the SE looks big and strong, but we haven't seen much flaring so far.
:1459HMIIC:

The new region responsible for the "over the limb" flares is now right on the limb and it looks very large.

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

SIDC is predicting weak effects from the slow halo CME on April 18-19. From the daily SIDC bulletin-

COMMENT: Solar activity is low with only few C-class flares during the
past 24 hours. The returning NOAA AR 1449 (Catania 02) has beta magnetic
field configuration and has a potential for C-class and small chances
for a M-class flares. After the passage of the high-speed stream the
solar wind speed has decreased to the value of about 370 km/s. The
geomagnetic conditions are quiet. The arrival of the partial halo CME
from April 15 is expected on April 18 or early on April 19. We do not
expect strongly disturbed geomagnetic conditions (K index maximum 4) due
to the slow speed of the CME.
[link to sidc.oma.be]

Here's the CACTus details of that CME on the 15th:

[link to www.sidc.oma.be]

And SEEDS movie:

[link to spaceweather.gmu.edu]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


Why are the sunspots decaying when they come into earth's view. /Some of them were just formed few days back. What is happeneing.Any explanation for this???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14520126


It's just the nature of solar weather. Strong magnetic fields pop up and decay much like thunderstorms on Earth. Some may produce lightening or tornadoes (flares and CMEs) and others just a brief shower. Some large storms such as AR1429 are more powerful and longer-lasting and are akin to large typhoons or hurricanes. I can't think of any better analogy. This is why we observe and try to forecast space weather; like terrestrial weather, it's always changing.



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 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


Thunderstorms on earth...such a good way to explain it. It really made it "click" for me. Thank you.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)
If anyone would like to continue to view coronal cavities as anything other than an interesting, well studied solar feature, please be consistent and address CME's as Cookie Monster Emmision.

This took two hours... bored now... must go to lurk.

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thanks AC

wow that should end that.
if you were member karma for all that!
 Quoting: psyoptics



Coronal Cavities are a "new Phenomenon" in an area that should have been documented over the last 500 years with the instruments that have been available to view this phenomenon. That said, we enjoy all perpespectives that are offerd on this thread, and make a concious decision to allow individuals to freely express their hypothesis without an underlying scientific knowledge base. This thread is for individuals of all educational backrounds with varying views, thoughts, questions, hypothesis, and various knowledge bases; that wish to learn from each other, as well as inform the general public as to the state of the current, and expected geomagnetic disturbances at hand.

My wonderful friends!

WE have decided in tandem, Ninzrez, IWTB as well as myself, to start a culling process for those of you that would rather cause more disruption to a thread that was designed to inform people than to distract them. Part of scientific discovery is debate, but dissent and deferring to reckless web sites will no longer be tolerated on this thread. This thread was started by Ninzrez and myself and we have a website at My Solar Alerts. NiNzRez, Myself, and IWTB own that site and are the only contributors. If you want to get banned from this thread, post a link to another site that has copied our information from our blogsite! Last warning!

Now get with the program and remember why you are on this thread!


Thanks for your continued cooperation in this matter,

Tom
 Quoting: tomasgod1


A short history of coronal cavity observation... 500 years? I think not.

Prior to the invention of the coronograph (or coronagraph) in the early '30's, the only potential time to view prominences, CME's, flares and coronal cavities would have been during infrequent solar eclipses lasting minutes. They saw the flares and CME's back in the mid to late 1800's (Carrington of course and Tempel who in 1860 became one of the first ever to draw a CME, during that year's eclipse). Since coronal cavities are more difficult to see than CME's or flares they probably weren't observed until later (see previous post regarding coronal cavities).

After the coronograph came into use, the astronomers of the day seem to have gained ground rapidly... article with a great drawing and photos, that look like they contain coronal cavities, which of course they weren't called then, but the text is descriptive enough to understand that is what they were describing, at least in part...

...a 1944 look at the June 19, 1936 eclipse... [link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

Summing up, as soon as they had the ability to consistently observe the sun's corona they were seeing coronal cavities. They didn't have that ability 500 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nor are coronal cavities a "new Phenomenon" (see previous post regarding coronal cavities). To most in the astonomy arena they are an established, interesting, intensely studied solar feature, with great promise for furthering understanding of the sun.

However, in the spirit of the new edict... "...disent [sic]... will no longer be tolerated on this thread"...

[link to dictionary.reference.com]

1. to differ in sentiment or opinion, especially from the majority; withhold assent; disagree.
2. to disagree with the methods, goals, etc., of a political party or government; take an opposing view.
3. to disagree with or reject the doctrines or authority of an established church.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Dissent is a sentiment or philosophy of non-agreement or opposition to a prevailing idea (e.g. a government's policies) or an entity (e.g. an individual or political party which supports such policies).

... I retract all of the above. Baaaaaaaaaaa.

How TPTB of you. No, no, no, just kidding. You're right, heh heh. I even took another look at the coronal cav, er spaceship feeding, rotated the cavity up, adjusted the brightness and contrast to better see detail and, dang it, you were right about that too. The original shil, uh, poster, who said it was spherical and the size of Jupiter was wrong though. It's at least twice that size (the object's disk is scaled to Jupiter's diameter) and elliptical, just like coronal cav, uh, spaceship feeding, I guess. Anyhow here ya go...

[link to imageshack.us]

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13079166


I love to pull stupid jerks such as yoursef down to the the the ground where you belong. Before you start messing with me, let me give you an idea of how it will be.


The telescope was introduced to astronomy in 1609 by the great Italian scientist Galileo Galilei, who became the first man to see the craters of the moon, and who went on to discover sunspots, the four large moons of Jupiter, and the rings of Saturn.


Phoenicians cooking on sand discovered glass around 3500 BCE, but it took about 5,000 years more for glass to be shaped into a lens for the first telescope. A spectacle maker probably assembled the first telescope. Hans Lippershey (c1570-c1619) of Holland is often credited with the invention, but he almost certainly was not the first to make one. Lippershey was, however, the first to make the new device widely known.

HEY(censored)FACE! ARE YOU CATCHING THE DATES HERE??
1800s? I think not, but then; what more would I expect from an illiterate want to be?


New instruments on advanced spacecraft have provided fresh insight into these cataclysmic phenomena, and illuminated a path toward predicting space weather.

In a paper published in the journal Nature, researchers from the Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory (LMSAL) of the Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Center (ATC), along with colleagues at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Kyoto University, and the High Altitude Observatory of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (which is sponsored by the National Science Foundation) - have discovered a turbulent convective flow system in solar "quiescent" prominences suspended in the corona-the Sun's outer atmosphere- that point to a mechanism by which hot coronal plasma (and presumably magnetic flux) are injected upwards into the coronal cavity system.

Coronal cavities are large magnetic flux ropes suspended in the corona, typically in the polar regions of the Sun. These flux ropes all eventually erupt in the form of CMEs that can impact the interplanetary and terrestrial space environments.

"How these large flux ropes erupt is a poorly understood fundamental process in the science of space weather. Our discovery points to a way in which intermittent 'bubbles' in solar prominences can inject new mass and magnetic flux into the flux ropes, thus slowly building up their magnetic buoyancy over time.

These 'bubbles', which can be as wide as several Earth diameters, are analogous to the blobs of material in a Lava Lamp that are heated by a light from below, become buoyant, and rise to the top to deposit their energy, then drop back down again. By this mechanism coronal cavity flux ropes could grow slowly until they are able to exceed the 'tethering' forces of overlying magnetic fields and thus erupt as CMEs," said Dr. Thomas Berger, lead author of the Nature paper, and solar physicist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Lab at the ATC.

"If we can show in further research that the prominence bubbles are indeed magnetic flux emergence events taking place below prominences, we can verify that we've found a new mechanism for transferring magnetic flux from the convection zone into the corona, and perhaps establish a predictive tool for the eruption of CMEs based on the rate of observed flux injection."

The researchers used observations from the Atmospheric Imaging Assembly (AIA) on NASA's recently launched Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) and NASA's Focal Plane Package for the Solar Optical Telescope (SOT) on the Japanese Hinode satellite. Both instruments were designed and built at the ATC.

It was the high spatial and temporal resolution of SOT, combined with the broad temperature coverage of AIA that unlocked the mystery. SOT movies from 2006--2009 reveal dark "bubbles" forming below 10,000 K prominence material.

These bubbles go unstable and form turbulent upflow plumes that rise into the prominence and the 1,000,000 K "coronal cavity" above the prominence. SOT images alone couldn't identify the source of the bubbles' buoyancy-was it magnetic field concentration or thermal energy that led to the buoyancy relative to the heavy prominence above?

In August 2010, using a simultaneous prominence observation by SOT and the newly launched AIA instrument suite, Berger and his team discovered that the bubbles were heated to temperatures of at least 250,000 K and more likely 1,000,000 K before rising into the prominence. This is 25-100 times hotter than the overlying prominence and implies that in addition to any magnetic buoyancy in the system, there is significant thermal buoyancy as well.

"This discovery is significant because it revises the common view that the magnetic field in the corona dominates the gas pressure and allows only simple, laminar, flows along magnetic field lines.

Here we establish that the prominence bubbles and resultant plumes are a form of the Rayleigh-Taylor instability, a buoyant turbulent flow system that, combined with the cool downflowing plasma in quiescent prominences, represents a form of convection, or overturning motion in the prominence/corona system - the first confirmed discovery of convection in the solar outer atmosphere," added Berger.

"It is apparent that our understanding of basic forces at work in the corona must be revised to include turbulent motions that can deform the magnetic field lines and produce novel flow and mixing systems."

[link to www.spacedaily.com]

NOW go f&>? yourself!

You are not wanted or needed around here. Go find another thread to troll!

wingdexter

Last Edited by tomasgod1 on 04/19/2012 02:42 PM
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