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Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345  United States06/10/2012 04:06 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: nerdrage88sasr Wow, another M1 from 1504, whom I'm calling Mighty Mouse because he's strong for his size. We've seen so many big active regions wimp out lately and this little guy (comparatively) is bustin out 3 M's in less than 24 hrs. I'm thrilled that we at GLP SOLAR WATCH have scooped Spaceweather.com (whose top story is erroneous), NOAA (we named the spot 1504 before anyone), and Lockheed/NASA/Solarsoft (who took a long while to catch up to what GLP'er's already knew). I'm proud of all you suntards and impressed what we can do with no budget and lot of determined enthusiasm. Everybody give yourselves a pat on the back for a job well done! And a hip-hip-hooray to NINzrez for starting this Solar Cycle 24 vigil. Now back to business....SDO has great images of the last M 1.3-flare: My favorite this time is Green (94a): [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] and 304a: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] H-Alpha movie fron Udaipur Observatory: [link to halpha.nso.edu] :Product: Solar Region Summary :Issued: 2012 Jun 10 0030 UTC # Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, # Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force. # Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary SRS Number 162 Issued at 0030Z on 10 Jun 2012 Report compiled from data received at SWO on 09 Jun I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 09/2400Z Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type 1493 N15W66 219 0050 Hax 04 01 Alpha 1494 S17W45 198 0090 Hkx 03 01 Alpha 1496 N16W48 201 0010 Axx 01 01 Alpha 1497 S22W69 222 0080 Cao 06 06 Beta 1499 N16W31 184 0060 Cao 07 07 Beta-Gamma 1504 S17E67 086 0060 Cao 10 06 Beta 1505 S09E63 090 0030 Axx 01 01 Alpha Electrons still high- Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3 Serial Number: 1914 Issue Time: 2012 Jun 10 0502 UTC CONTINUED ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu Continuation of Serial Number: 1913 Begin Time: 2012 Jun 06 1210 UTC Yesterday Maximum 2MeV Flux: 8370 pfu Potential Impacts: Satellite systems may experience significant charging resulting in increased risk to satellite systems. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] LET'S GO MIGHTY MOUSE!  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that the recent increasing solar activity is really exciting indeed. I'm now literally dancing in glee. Quoting: Solar Guardian  But I think the solar activity has reduced then the March'12. Pls let me know if I am wrong. Hugh - Why have they abondoned ? Do you think Solar activity is increasing???. I feel otherwise.an occasional M flare. Oh, Lockedhead/Solarsoft? I was just joking because they get sloppy and retarded in their data sometimes. I pointed out that they were over 24 hours behind in their flare list yesterday and hours behind GLP in posting any info on the first M-flare. As far as Cycle 24's activity level, it's too soon to make any judgments. The Helio-eggheads are still publishing papers on the LAST solar cycle. The more I read and the more I observe the Sun, the more obvious it becomes that the Phd's and NASA /NOAA whitecoats aren't really sure about anything concerning the Sun's energies or processes. It's all one theory after another, until the next data set comes along and blows away that theory and they dream up some new theory. I understand that this is the "professional" scientific method at work, but these guys don't impress me with their titles and resumes; and then talk down to the public like they know every thing. They don't...not even close.  Please excuse the rant, but we have to watch solar activity as a kind of weather system-a super-complicated one, driven by electro-magnetism, nuclear forces, electrical currents, and, who knows, maybe even a super-consciousness. My point is, you can have a nice pleasant week of weather and out of the blue hailstones and tornadoes. In 2014, if we're still here, we can look back and have a better analysis of what Cycle 24 was like. There have been cycles in the past which had two separate peaks of activity a year apart. One thing I know is that Old Sol is unpredictable at this point in our human understanding. And I guess that applies to all the further-out stars, too. This is why we observe...to increase our understanding and have fun doing it. "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973  United Kingdom06/10/2012 04:36 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that the recent increasing solar activity is really exciting indeed. I'm now literally dancing in glee. Quoting: Solar Guardian But I think the solar activity has reduced then the March'12. Pls let me know if I am wrong. Hugh - Why have they abondoned ? Do you think Solar activity is increasing???. I feel otherwise.an occasional M flare. Oh, Lockedhead/Solarsoft? I was just joking because they get sloppy and retarded in their data sometimes. I pointed out that they were over 24 hours behind in their flare list yesterday and hours behind GLP in posting any info on the first M-flare. As far as Cycle 24's activity level, it's too soon to make any judgments. The Helio-eggheads are still publishing papers on the LAST solar cycle. The more I read and the more I observe the Sun, the more obvious it becomes that the Phd's and NASA /NOAA whitecoats aren't really sure about anything concerning the Sun's energies or processes. It's all one theory after another, until the next data set comes along and blows away that theory and they dream up some new theory. I understand that this is the "professional" scientific method at work, but these guys don't impress me with their titles and resumes; and then talk down to the public like they know every thing. They don't...not even close. Please excuse the rant, but we have to watch solar activity as a kind of weather system-a super-complicated one, driven by electro-magnetism, nuclear forces, electrical currents, and, who knows, maybe even a super-consciousness. My point is, you can have a nice pleasant week of weather and out of the blue hailstones and tornadoes. In 2014, if we're still here, we can look back and have a better analysis of what Cycle 24 was like. There have been cycles in the past which had two separate peaks of activity a year apart. One thing I know is that Old Sol is unpredictable at this point in our human understanding. And I guess that applies to all the further-out stars, too. This is why we observe...to increase our understanding and have fun doing it. Brilliant : ) The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 04:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | M 1.3 from AR1504 (a/k/a Mighty Mouse):  Recent HMI Intensitygram image of 1504- :mighty mouse HMI: SDO/AIA 131a image: :mighty mouse roa: "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6491380  India06/10/2012 04:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that the recent increasing solar activity is really exciting indeed. I'm now literally dancing in glee. Quoting: Solar Guardian But I think the solar activity has reduced then the March'12. Pls let me know if I am wrong. Hugh - Why have they abondoned ? Do you think Solar activity is increasing???. I feel otherwise.an occasional M flare. Oh, Lockedhead/Solarsoft? I was just joking because they get sloppy and retarded in their data sometimes. I pointed out that they were over 24 hours behind in their flare list yesterday and hours behind GLP in posting any info on the first M-flare. As far as Cycle 24's activity level, it's too soon to make any judgments. The Helio-eggheads are still publishing papers on the LAST solar cycle. The more I read and the more I observe the Sun, the more obvious it becomes that the Phd's and NASA /NOAA whitecoats aren't really sure about anything concerning the Sun's energies or processes. It's all one theory after another, until the next data set comes along and blows away that theory and they dream up some new theory. I understand that this is the "professional" scientific method at work, but these guys don't impress me with their titles and resumes; and then talk down to the public like they know every thing. They don't...not even close. Please excuse the rant, but we have to watch solar activity as a kind of weather system-a super-complicated one, driven by electro-magnetism, nuclear forces, electrical currents, and, who knows, maybe even a super-consciousness. My point is, you can have a nice pleasant week of weather and out of the blue hailstones and tornadoes. In 2014, if we're still here, we can look back and have a better analysis of what Cycle 24 was like. There have been cycles in the past which had two separate peaks of activity a year apart. One thing I know is that Old Sol is unpredictable at this point in our human understanding. And I guess that applies to all the further-out stars, too. This is why we observe...to increase our understanding and have fun doing it. Thankyou  Can you comment on the recent article that sun is moving slowly and now it has no bow shock and the magentic ribbon pls |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 United Kingdom06/10/2012 04:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that the recent increasing solar activity is really exciting indeed. I'm now literally dancing in glee. Quoting: Solar Guardian But I think the solar activity has reduced then the March'12. Pls let me know if I am wrong. Hugh - Why have they abondoned ? Do you think Solar activity is increasing???. I feel otherwise.an occasional M flare. Oh, Lockedhead/Solarsoft? I was just joking because they get sloppy and retarded in their data sometimes. I pointed out that they were over 24 hours behind in their flare list yesterday and hours behind GLP in posting any info on the first M-flare. As far as Cycle 24's activity level, it's too soon to make any judgments. The Helio-eggheads are still publishing papers on the LAST solar cycle. The more I read and the more I observe the Sun, the more obvious it becomes that the Phd's and NASA /NOAA whitecoats aren't really sure about anything concerning the Sun's energies or processes. It's all one theory after another, until the next data set comes along and blows away that theory and they dream up some new theory. I understand that this is the "professional" scientific method at work, but these guys don't impress me with their titles and resumes; and then talk down to the public like they know every thing. They don't...not even close. Please excuse the rant, but we have to watch solar activity as a kind of weather system-a super-complicated one, driven by electro-magnetism, nuclear forces, electrical currents, and, who knows, maybe even a super-consciousness. My point is, you can have a nice pleasant week of weather and out of the blue hailstones and tornadoes. In 2014, if we're still here, we can look back and have a better analysis of what Cycle 24 was like. There have been cycles in the past which had two separate peaks of activity a year apart. One thing I know is that Old Sol is unpredictable at this point in our human understanding. And I guess that applies to all the further-out stars, too. This is why we observe...to increase our understanding and have fun doing it. Thankyou Can you comment on the recent article that sun is moving slowly and now it has no bow shock and the magentic ribbon pls Link please : ) The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| nerdrage88sasr User ID: 17640965  Australia06/10/2012 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that the recent increasing solar activity is really exciting indeed. I'm now literally dancing in glee. Quoting: Solar Guardian But I think the solar activity has reduced then the March'12. Pls let me know if I am wrong. Hugh - Why have they abondoned ? Do you think Solar activity is increasing???. I feel otherwise.an occasional M flare. Oh, Lockedhead/Solarsoft? I was just joking because they get sloppy and retarded in their data sometimes. I pointed out that they were over 24 hours behind in their flare list yesterday and hours behind GLP in posting any info on the first M-flare. As far as Cycle 24's activity level, it's too soon to make any judgments. The Helio-eggheads are still publishing papers on the LAST solar cycle. The more I read and the more I observe the Sun, the more obvious it becomes that the Phd's and NASA /NOAA whitecoats aren't really sure about anything concerning the Sun's energies or processes. It's all one theory after another, until the next data set comes along and blows away that theory and they dream up some new theory. I understand that this is the "professional" scientific method at work, but these guys don't impress me with their titles and resumes; and then talk down to the public like they know every thing. They don't...not even close. Please excuse the rant, but we have to watch solar activity as a kind of weather system-a super-complicated one, driven by electro-magnetism, nuclear forces, electrical currents, and, who knows, maybe even a super-consciousness. My point is, you can have a nice pleasant week of weather and out of the blue hailstones and tornadoes. In 2014, if we're still here, we can look back and have a better analysis of what Cycle 24 was like. There have been cycles in the past which had two separate peaks of activity a year apart. One thing I know is that Old Sol is unpredictable at this point in our human understanding. And I guess that applies to all the further-out stars, too. This is why we observe...to increase our understanding and have fun doing it. "Luck is what happens when preparation meets Oppurtunity"-- Seneca (5BC-65AD) |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, the IBEX mission has shattered many long-held "truths" by making new types of observation and bringing forth astounding new data. This is exactly the type of thing I was referring to in the previous post. Theories which have been embraced and accepted for many years are proven incorrect or, at best, are on shaky ground due to new and unforeseen discoveries which conflict with them. So new theories need to be formed and yet more data gathered to affirm or disprove them, too. And round and round we go, haha. It's called "progress". We've seen many other Sun-Earth discoveries (THEMIS, CLUSTER, etc.) in recent years which have sent the space scientists scurrying to amend their out-moded models of the magnetosphere, the solar wind, filament formation, etc. Even the sun's flares aren't fully understood yet. Heliophysicists are still unable to explain why the corona is so much hotter than the surface and by what process this happens. We really know next-to-nothing. Unfortunately, somebody stumbled on a way to split the atom. As for IBEX, it's discoveries are important and instead of answers we now have a new list of questions. I'm not a schooled physicist, so I'm not qualified to evaluate the methods and data. It seems to show that our models of the universe were based on false assumptions. It's also possible the IBEX teams conclusions are off the mark, too. More missions and more observations are needed before we can see things clearly regarding the outer heliosphere and nearby interstellar space. "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom06/10/2012 07:10 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, the IBEX mission has shattered many long-held "truths" by making new types of observation and bringing forth astounding new data. This is exactly the type of thing I was referring to in the previous post. Theories which have been embraced and accepted for many years are proven incorrect or, at best, are on shaky ground due to new and unforeseen discoveries which conflict with them. So new theories need to be formed and yet more data gathered to affirm or disprove them, too. And round and round we go, haha. It's called "progress". Quoting: Hugh M Eye We've seen many other Sun-Earth discoveries (THEMIS, CLUSTER, etc.) in recent years which have sent the space scientists scurrying to amend their out-moded models of the magnetosphere, the solar wind, filament formation, etc. Even the sun's flares aren't fully understood yet. Heliophysicists are still unable to explain why the corona is so much hotter than the surface and by what process this happens. We really know next-to-nothing. Unfortunately, somebody stumbled on a way to split the atom. As for IBEX, it's discoveries are important and instead of answers we now have a new list of questions. I'm not a schooled physicist, so I'm not qualified to evaluate the methods and data. It seems to show that our models of the universe were based on false assumptions. It's also possible the IBEX teams conclusions are off the mark, too. More missions and more observations are needed before we can see things clearly regarding the outer heliosphere and nearby interstellar space. nice summation  |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Howdy, Nerdrage!  Right back at ya, SunBro. I think I found out why Spaceweather.com goofed up on their M-flare story. THEY TRUSTED NASA/LOCKHEED, LOL. I was surprised when I went back to check the Solarsoft site and they had one set of coordinates listed for the M-flare but their movie links pointed to a region half-way across the sun. TS66 was on it right away (kudos, 66!) and identified the source of the flare. Evidently hours went by before they figured things out. The SECOND M-flare was also mislabeled.For this there's no excuse! They should be monitoring GLP's Solar Watch more closely and possibly get a clue. Maybe they turn the science over to the MIT, Harvard, Cornell interns for the summer, haha. Sometimes I really have to wonder what goes on in these great centers of solar science.(Hey, NOAA, see we're not just picking on you guys. There's plenty of incompetence to go around.):) By the way, we have two more active regions to watch out for. One on the NE limb which seems to be interacting with 1504 and 1505. And new, rapidly emerging region in the far south at about approximately 50 degrees east longitude. Recent Intensitygram: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] SDO 171a shows a lot of interaction between North and South on the East limb: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, the IBEX mission has shattered many long-held "truths" by making new types of observation and bringing forth astounding new data. This is exactly the type of thing I was referring to in the previous post. Theories which have been embraced and accepted for many years are proven incorrect or, at best, are on shaky ground due to new and unforeseen discoveries which conflict with them. So new theories need to be formed and yet more data gathered to affirm or disprove them, too. And round and round we go, haha. It's called "progress". Quoting: Hugh M Eye We've seen many other Sun-Earth discoveries (THEMIS, CLUSTER, etc.) in recent years which have sent the space scientists scurrying to amend their out-moded models of the magnetosphere, the solar wind, filament formation, etc. Even the sun's flares aren't fully understood yet. Heliophysicists are still unable to explain why the corona is so much hotter than the surface and by what process this happens. We really know next-to-nothing. Unfortunately, somebody stumbled on a way to split the atom. As for IBEX, it's discoveries are important and instead of answers we now have a new list of questions. I'm not a schooled physicist, so I'm not qualified to evaluate the methods and data. It seems to show that our models of the universe were based on false assumptions. It's also possible the IBEX teams conclusions are off the mark, too. More missions and more observations are needed before we can see things clearly regarding the outer heliosphere and nearby interstellar space. nice summation Hi, aether, great to see you! Where've you been hiding? Your insights are always welcome and appreciated. Looks like the flares from the southern hemisphere are finally picking up momentum.   "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like Solarsoft found the source of THIRD M-flare. close-up movie: [link to sdowww.lmsal.com] I think they're going back to correct the earlier two. Also, spaceweather.com has posted a corrected story at the top of the page (and no mention of their crap story about M-flares springing from "a new region near 1499" or some such nonsense...WRONG HEMISPHERE TIMES TWO!! sheesh.) These orgs. should consider drafting some GLP Suntards to act as a third eye (or a first eye as in this case, haha)  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| TS66 User ID: 17392454 United States06/10/2012 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning all Starting to rev back up to a solar maximum maybe ???!!!Well whether we have an impressive cycle 24 or not, I'm just in awe of the fact that we have the technology to watch and learn, as we never have been able to (I assume) before. Doom or no doom, it's a great time to be alive. Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it ~ Andre Gide |
| TS66 User ID: 17392454 United States06/10/2012 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't know if anyone would be interested, but I found an awesome TEC map simulator for the US from Space weather while looking around. There's actually several real time features on this site, I will paste both links for your own use (I'm still checking them all out myself). :) [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it ~ Andre Gide |
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| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning all Quoting: TS66 Starting to rev back up to a solar maximum maybe ???!!!Well whether we have an impressive cycle 24 or not, I'm just in awe of the fact that we have the technology to watch and learn, as we never have been able to (I assume) before. Doom or no doom, it's a great time to be alive. Agreed. Good morning to you also. I want to congratulate you on your big scoop yesterday regarding the first M-flare (and the 2nd too). You out-sleuthed NASA, Lockheed, and Spaceweather.com who all seemed mystified for most of the day. I was busy yesterday and didn't realize all this confusion was going on. You nailed it right away, TruthSeeker, and the pros all had egg on their face. Great job, as usual.I have to take a nap now, but please read my last several posts regarding this. Have a wonderful day and keep up the great work. Peace. No sign of the small CME shock which was forecast for 3:23UT today. It's either coming in late or was a clean miss.  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
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| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fantastic job, friend!   Thanks for posting. Keep up the wonderful videography and please post them here--we want more.Goodnight, All. "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aww shucks, I did and thank you ... (ssshhh don't tell anybody .... it's all about EVE LOL!!) Quoting: TS66 My lips are sealed, 66. I only wish I'd got a screenshot of the embarassing Spaceweather.com top=of-page BS story before they changed it.  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| TS66 User ID: 17392454 United States06/10/2012 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aww shucks, I did and thank you ... (ssshhh don't tell anybody .... it's all about EVE LOL!!) Quoting: TS66 My lips are sealed, 66. I only wish I'd got a screenshot of the embarassing Spaceweather.com top=of-page BS story before they changed it. Get good rest Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it ~ Andre Gide |
| Onthehook User ID: 7670361 United States06/10/2012 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good summation, but I don't go with your view of NASA, Lockheed, NOAA being incompetent, these guys are the ones responsible for the DATA you use for your predictions, they have been staring at the sun far longer than I have, I don't even always care which spot is popping off flares when I am revising my whole way of thinking about the sun. What other branch is leading the way to a correct description of whats going on in the Universe? |
| Onthehook User ID: 7670361 United States06/10/2012 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And it must be tough doing that job when you can't just say what you think and know for security reasons, seriously, in this day and age do you really think they can come out and talk about huge discoveries in Physics without political consequences? I would just like to see us get back to the business of manned space exploration, it might give this planet some hope for a positive future. |
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| TS66 User ID: 17392454 United States06/10/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good summation, but I don't go with your view of NASA, Lockheed, NOAA being incompetent, these guys are the ones responsible for the DATA you use for your predictions, they have been staring at the sun far longer than I have, I don't even always care which spot is popping off flares when I am revising my whole way of thinking about the sun. What other branch is leading the way to a correct description of whats going on in the Universe? Quoting: Onthehook 7670361 I don't believe they are incompetent either, just that it is somewhat disconcerting that they are not using their own technology to report accurately. Let's face it, knowing which sunspot just blew off the latest big flare is pretty important considering it gives us advanced warning of whether the resulting CME is directed at/or to what extent it will impact the earth (or not). Last Edited by TS66 on 06/10/2012 12:41 PM Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it ~ Andre Gide |
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| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good summation, but I don't go with your view of NASA, Lockheed, NOAA being incompetent, these guys are the ones responsible for the DATA you use for your predictions, they have been staring at the sun far longer than I have, I don't even always care which spot is popping off flares when I am revising my whole way of thinking about the sun. What other branch is leading the way to a correct description of whats going on in the Universe? Quoting: Onthehook 7670361 Point taken, Onthehook. I suppose "incompetent" may have been an imprecise term to express my meaning. Of course NASA and Lockheed are unsurpassed in their engineering, launching, and maintaining communication with a wide variety of satellites and space probes (and space weapons). Obviously they're not incompetent in this regard, but at the apex of human technological know-how. The incompetence I was referring to can be more accurately characterized as UNCARING, INATTENTIVE or LAZY. These attributes seem to be endemic to most large bureaucratic organizations. The young go-getters, eager to make their mark, come up against the HUGE GREY WALL of bureaucracy and organizational hierarchy. Usually the grey wall wins and apathy sets in as a matter of course. Folks tend to go-along-to-get-along, punch the clock and go home. When slip-ups occur, it's "not my job", or someone else's fault. NASA is a huge government agency and Lockheed is probably 50x huger (a shadow-government agency spanning the globe). Yesterday's miscue was not a simple error or glitch soon corrected, but a glaring blunder which went uncorrected for 15 hours or more. I'm only sharing my astonishment at this, but it's possible there were extenuating circumstances that we'll never learn about. I'd like to think that the pros are more attentive and reliable than GLP, and I was stunned and thrilled that we got it right and got it immediately right.  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/10/2012 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The two new regions I mentioned earlier today have been officially number 1506 (in the NE) and 1507 in the south. :Product: Solar Region Summary :Issued: 2012 Jun 11 0030 UTC # Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, # Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force. # Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary SRS Number 163 Issued at 0030Z on 11 Jun 2012 Report compiled from data received at SWO on 10 Jun I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 10/2400Z Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type 1493 N16W80 220 0060 Hax 02 01 Alpha 1494 S16W60 250 0070 Hkx 03 01 Alpha 1496 N17W62 202 0010 Axx 01 01 Alpha 1497 S22W83 224 0080 Cao 06 06 Beta 1499 N16W38 178 0050 Cao 06 11 Beta-Gamma 1504 S18E51 089 0120 Dai 10 07 Beta 1505 S10E51 089 0050 Dao 06 03 Beta 1506 N11E66 074 0050 Cao 02 02 Beta 1507 S26E29 111 0060 Dao 09 05 Beta IA. H-alpha Plages without Spots. Locations Valid at 10/2400Z Jun Nmbr Location Lo 1498 N07W52 193 1501 N07W75 216 1502 S17W44 185 II. Regions Due to Return 11 Jun to 13 Jun Nmbr Lat Lo 1491 N22 036 1486 N16 034 Still watching for possible CME effects. I'm pretty sure that the first one (which was expected to arrive 24 hrs. ago) missed Earth altogether. I won't be too surprised if the second one also misses. ACE solar wind data shows a slight uptick in density, so we'll wait and see what develops. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/11/2012 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We seem to be seeing some effects from the CME arrival at Earth. GOES Electron flux: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] GOES Magnetometer: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Boulder's Magnetometer shows a K=index of 4.1 (no alerts so far): [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Active region 1504 (and '05) seem to be growing. I expect to see more M-flares and possibly X-flares. SATURDAY- :mighty mouse HMI: NOW- :1504growth: Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 06/11/2012 04:56 AM "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 15388345 United States06/11/2012 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NASA's SDO website's "latest image" of composite w/ mag-field lines is dated June 3rd! More than a week old!!! Please note the Lockheed logo in the lower right-hand corner. I guess they're very busy getting ready for World War IV. [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]  "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-Albert Einstein |
