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SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily)

 
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After rolling it around in my mind for a while, I feel obligated to weigh in on the controversial subject of Solar Cycle 24. I think the predictions of a stunted solar maximum is based on very limited data. I'm a Solar Max virgin as most of you are. However, I've seen enough of the professional science crowd to suspect anything that seems designed to grab headlines. We've only observed the Sun from beyond the Earth's atmosphere for 20 years or thereabouts, so any predictions are automatically suspect, in my opinion, as our data base is woefully insufficient to predict anything. These gentlemen heliophysicists are merely expert guessers. Well, SO ARE WE! Need I remind you that we "out-guessed" NOAA, Lockheeed, and NASA 3 times in one week!? So, I take the experts pronouncements with a grain of salt.

The previous Solar Cycles documented by humans have ranged from 9 to almost 14 years in duration! The Sun is a chaotic system that so far defies our attempts to make it conform to our models and theories.

List of Solar Cycles:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

A Graphical Comparison of Solar Cycles:

[link to www.solen.info]

Many cycles exhibit more than one peak. And we can only judge a cycle's intensity by it's effects at Earth. If most of the devastating, energetic events happen on the far side does that mean we had a weak maximum?

My gut tells me we haven't seen anything near the maximum yet. My understanding is that the SS Storms will gradually move closer to the equator before the pole shift. We haven't seen that yet.

As far as a prolonged minimum lasting possibly decades goes, I have no clue. But, again, I feel we don't have a long enough timeline of objective study to reach any conclusions.

Solar Cycle wiki:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye

Well the pole shift has already occurred in the North. It's polarity switched to positive on May 22. I've spent a lot more time learning about the magnetic fields (as your video indicates, the real solar cycle is about the magnetic fields, not so much about the sunspot counts) and what's going on with the magnetic fields is very funky.

Granted, I've only found data for magnetic field strength going back to 1976. The field phenomenon occurring now is certainly unique in the last 36 years, and even your sunspot chart has to go back 80~ years for reference. Modern society is more solar-vulnerable than ever, so unique phenomena are something to be wary of. If the last time this happened was 80 years ago, we really have no idea what to expect now, because back then our society wasn't nearly as EMP sensitive as it is now.

However, Hinode went as far back as the Maunder Minimum for reference of the last time the magnetic field behaved this way. You might believe they did that for sensationalism, but I somehow doubt it. Other than the initial April 21 press release, they've been dead silent. It does not seem to be attention getting behaviour to me.

Personally I would love it if some of you guys would stop focusing solely on sunspots and take a look at these mag field numbers. The solar magnetic fields are acting absolutely bizarrely. It's not just the length of the cycle, it's the acute asymmetry.

Here's a chart of the mag fields, last plot June 1, 2012.

[link to i47.tinypic.com]

See how the north has flipped while the south continues to strengthen? It's bizarre.
 Quoting: madajs


Good info mate, and very important that people keep this in mind! Agree, this cycle seems to be developing a few 'suprises' all round. That chart is a tad scary if you think of what it actually means.....
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We have a new sunspot group rapidly emerging in the SE at about 70 degrees. Twelve hours ago it was only 2 faint freckles, so it's growing quickly. May we call it AR1512?
:1512_HMII:
BETA Magnetic configuration-
:1512_HMIBC:

Latest hi-res HMI Intensitygram:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Joint USAF/NOAA Solar Region Summary
SRS Number 177 Issued at 0030Z on 25 Jun 2012
Report compiled from data received at SWO on 24 Jun
I. Regions with Sunspots. Locations Valid at 24/2400Z
Nmbr Location Lo Area Z LL NN Mag Type
1510 S16W67 022 0010 Cro 02 02 Beta
1511 N15W44 358 0020 Cro 04 02 Beta
IA. H-alpha Plages without Spots. Locations Valid at 24/2400Z Jun
Nmbr Location Lo
None
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

AR1510 & 1511 have disappeared.
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


Heya Hugh,
well 1510 and 1511 were a bit of a 'fizzer' this time around...next time?

You heard it here folks...Hugh has called it, lets see if NOAA think it a good call....1512 is a go!
Peace Hugh
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After rolling it around in my mind for a while, I feel obligated to weigh in on the controversial subject of Solar Cycle 24. I think the predictions of a stunted solar maximum is based on very limited data. I'm a Solar Max virgin as most of you are. However, I've seen enough of the professional science crowd to suspect anything that seems designed to grab headlines. We've only observed the Sun from beyond the Earth's atmosphere for 20 years or thereabouts, so any predictions are automatically suspect, in my opinion, as our data base is woefully insufficient to predict anything. These gentlemen heliophysicists are merely expert guessers. Well, SO ARE WE! Need I remind you that we "out-guessed" NOAA, Lockheeed, and NASA 3 times in one week!? So, I take the experts pronouncements with a grain of salt.

The previous Solar Cycles documented by humans have ranged from 9 to almost 14 years in duration! The Sun is a chaotic system that so far defies our attempts to make it conform to our models and theories.

List of Solar Cycles:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

A Graphical Comparison of Solar Cycles:

[link to www.solen.info]

Many cycles exhibit more than one peak. And we can only judge a cycle's intensity by it's effects at Earth. If most of the devastating, energetic events happen on the far side does that mean we had a weak maximum?

My gut tells me we haven't seen anything near the maximum yet. My understanding is that the SS Storms will gradually move closer to the equator before the pole shift. We haven't seen that yet.

As far as a prolonged minimum lasting possibly decades goes, I have no clue. But, again, I feel we don't have a long enough timeline of objective study to reach any conclusions.

Solar Cycle wiki:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye

Well the pole shift has already occurred in the North. It's polarity switched to positive on May 22. I've spent a lot more time learning about the magnetic fields (as your video indicates, the real solar cycle is about the magnetic fields, not so much about the sunspot counts) and what's going on with the magnetic fields is very funky.

Granted, I've only found data for magnetic field strength going back to 1976. The field phenomenon occurring now is certainly unique in the last 36 years, and even your sunspot chart has to go back 80~ years for reference. Modern society is more solar-vulnerable than ever, so unique phenomena are something to be wary of. If the last time this happened was 80 years ago, we really have no idea what to expect now, because back then our society wasn't nearly as EMP sensitive as it is now.

However, Hinode went as far back as the Maunder Minimum for reference of the last time the magnetic field behaved this way. You might believe they did that for sensationalism, but I somehow doubt it. Other than the initial April 21 press release, they've been dead silent. It does not seem to be attention getting behaviour to me.

Personally I would love it if some of you guys would stop focusing solely on sunspots and take a look at these mag field numbers. The solar magnetic fields are acting absolutely bizarrely. It's not just the length of the cycle, it's the acute asymmetry.

Here's a chart of the mag fields, last plot June 1, 2012.

[link to i47.tinypic.com]

See how the north has flipped while the south continues to strengthen? It's bizarre.
 Quoting: madajs


Good info mate, and very important that people keep this in mind! Agree, this cycle seems to be developing a few 'suprises' all round. That chart is a tad scary if you think of what it actually means.....
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 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Thank you for sharing your observations and research.

Unfortunately, I really can't contribute to this as I don't know a thing about the polarity of the sun, other than the fact that in your graph it shows that cycles 21 & 22 seem to have the polarity to make a quick flip and distinction of north and south. Cycle 23 however does not seem to have the polarity over the last minimum to make the same clear distinction.

Due to what looks like a weak magnetic field (??) rather than seeing the quick flip, and a distinct north and south configuration in cycle 23, cycle 24 looks more like a synchronization rather polarization of North and South (which in itself doesn't seem to make sense).

And that's the extent of my observations. Unfortunately without the patient teachings of people like Nin, IWTB, TG1, Hugh ... etc ... that's about as much as I can comprehend at this point, but please keep us posted as to your interpretations. My only value is identifying obvious solar flares !!! lol
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We seem to be getting hit by something...
[link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

[link to www.irf.se]

[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
calming down now..but where did it come from?

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We seem to be getting hit by something...
[link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

[link to www.irf.se]

[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
calming down now..but where did it come from?

Peace
 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Must be just me that can only see up to 06-21 on the ISWA data?
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Maybe the magnetic anomaly is caused by the heliosphere just starting to enter a denser cloud with current and magnetic field instead of being totally in it (surrounded)
[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]

That Leedskalnin was a good observer, if he put a metal fishing wire on the N side of a wire with current going through it he got a dipole magnet.
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We seem to be getting hit by something...
[link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

[link to www.irf.se]

[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
calming down now..but where did it come from?

Peace
 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Haarp looks like its about to get interesting again!
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maybe someone of u knows astrobob; he has a new nice blogpost up which is maybe of interest


Why was the aurora out last night?


I will never figure out the aurora. Most of the time there’s a clear connection and forecast indicating that a flare or coronal hole on the sun will have a certain probability of zinging the Earth’s magnetic field. That might precipitate a display of the northern lights anywhere from the high Arctic to as far south as Arizona.

Like the weather forecast, sometimes space meteorologists get it wrong though not for lack of trying. Nature does not always follow expected pathways despite the best available data and computer modeling....


ReadMore:
[link to astrobob.areavoices.com]
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Maybe the magnetic anomaly is caused by the heliosphere just starting to enter a denser cloud with current and magnetic field instead of being totally in it (surrounded)
[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]

That Leedskalnin was a good observer, if he put a metal fishing wire on the N side of a wire with current going through it he got a dipole magnet.
 Quoting: Onthehook 7670361


@#!$, some days, I meant he got a Monopole Magnet, oh you know what I mean.
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Significant earthquake precursor signal detected on 06/25/12 at 1625utc/1225est. Possible 6+.

Radio Direction Finder has signal coming in East of France from somewhere out in the Northern, Mid to Southern portions of the Pacific plate to Alaska, Canada and Chile.


All who live anywhere in the vicinity of this line trajectory should be wary next 5 hours. Have escape plan ready and seek open terrain in the event of felt tremor. Secure most of your heavy objects and belongings around your home.


Namaste,

Hopefully I am wrong. Or it hits an unpopulated area.
Japan is also a likely target. Be wary.

Also Possible threat to regions around Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Mediterranean, PNG to Tonga Areas and Spain.

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Significant earthquake precursor signal detected on 06/25/12 at 1625utc/1225est. Possible 6+.

Radio Direction Finder has signal coming in East of France from somewhere out in the Northern, Mid to Southern portions of the Pacific plate to Alaska, Canada and Chile.


All who live anywhere in the vicinity of this line trajectory should be wary next 5 hours. Have escape plan ready and seek open terrain in the event of felt tremor. Secure most of your heavy objects and belongings around your home.


Namaste,

Hopefully I am wrong. Or it hits an unpopulated area.
Japan is also a likely target. Be wary.

Also Possible threat to regions around Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Mediterranean, PNG to Tonga Areas and Spain.
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


Sure would be nice if you could like triangulate the position a little closer. I have to go to your thread and look at the technology you are using.
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Significant earthquake precursor signal detected on 06/25/12 at 1625utc/1225est. Possible 6+.

Radio Direction Finder has signal coming in East of France from somewhere out in the Northern, Mid to Southern portions of the Pacific plate to Alaska, Canada and Chile.


All who live anywhere in the vicinity of this line trajectory should be wary next 5 hours. Have escape plan ready and seek open terrain in the event of felt tremor. Secure most of your heavy objects and belongings around your home.


Namaste,

Hopefully I am wrong. Or it hits an unpopulated area.
Japan is also a likely target. Be wary.

Also Possible threat to regions around Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Mediterranean, PNG to Tonga Areas and Spain.
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


Sure would be nice if you could like triangulate the position a little closer. I have to go to your thread and look at the technology you are using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7670361


Radio direction finder. Not an exact science.
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maybe someone of u knows astrobob; he has a new nice blogpost up which is maybe of interest


Why was the aurora out last night?


I will never figure out the aurora. Most of the time there’s a clear connection and forecast indicating that a flare or coronal hole on the sun will have a certain probability of zinging the Earth’s magnetic field. That might precipitate a display of the northern lights anywhere from the high Arctic to as far south as Arizona.

Like the weather forecast, sometimes space meteorologists get it wrong though not for lack of trying. Nature does not always follow expected pathways despite the best available data and computer modeling....


ReadMore:
[link to astrobob.areavoices.com]
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Surely it would be due to this Minor Fluctuation in the Fields [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] and this [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] which caused the Magnetowobble.

You can see that the deviation on the Magnetometer is'nt much but the preceeding Days were quite consistant in strength [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] it appears that a small deviation after a relatively calm reading allowed some Solar Fraggle into the Ionosphere,Imo,possibly initiated by the arrival over the Limb of the Returning Giant CC.

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 06/25/2012 02:55 PM
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Should maybe see a little pick-up in Flaring asociated with 1512(GLP Stamp) [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Supposedly already showing multiple Polarities,BGD I think!?
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More active regions, both north and south are soon turning our way. A bright flare and CME have been recently spotted on the SE limb. And an even larger region can be seen about to come over in the NE. This the same area which gave us 1476 awhile back. (Note that none of these regions were seen on the far-side doppler-grams.)

Latest SDO 171a image:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Flare and CME on SE Limb-
:cme6/25:
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More active regions, both north and south are soon turning our way. A bright flare and CME have been recently spotted on the SE limb. And an even larger region can be seen about to come over in the NE. This the same area which gave us 1476 awhile back. (Note that none of these regions were seen on the far-side doppler-grams.)

Latest SDO 171a image:

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Flare and CME on SE Limb-
:cme6/25:
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AR1512 (?) has just produced a C 1.4 flare. This is just the second C-flare since June 20th.

[link to www.lmsal.com]

Big Bear H-alpha movie loop:

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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Significant earthquake precursor signal detected on 06/25/12 at 1625utc/1225est. Possible 6+.

Radio Direction Finder has signal coming in East of France from somewhere out in the Northern, Mid to Southern portions of the Pacific plate to Alaska, Canada and Chile.


All who live anywhere in the vicinity of this line trajectory should be wary next 5 hours. Have escape plan ready and seek open terrain in the event of felt tremor. Secure most of your heavy objects and belongings around your home.


Namaste,

Hopefully I am wrong. Or it hits an unpopulated area.
Japan is also a likely target. Be wary.

Also Possible threat to regions around Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Mediterranean, PNG to Tonga Areas and Spain.
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


let us hope not japan!
i have been reading alot of bad things about building #4 this weekend!
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After rolling it around in my mind for a while, I feel obligated to weigh in on the controversial subject of Solar Cycle 24. I think the predictions of a stunted solar maximum is based on very limited data. I'm a Solar Max virgin as most of you are. However, I've seen enough of the professional science crowd to suspect anything that seems designed to grab headlines. We've only observed the Sun from beyond the Earth's atmosphere for 20 years or thereabouts, so any predictions are automatically suspect, in my opinion, as our data base is woefully insufficient to predict anything. These gentlemen heliophysicists are merely expert guessers. Well, SO ARE WE! Need I remind you that we "out-guessed" NOAA, Lockheeed, and NASA 3 times in one week!? So, I take the experts pronouncements with a grain of salt.

The previous Solar Cycles documented by humans have ranged from 9 to almost 14 years in duration! The Sun is a chaotic system that so far defies our attempts to make it conform to our models and theories.

List of Solar Cycles:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

A Graphical Comparison of Solar Cycles:

[link to www.solen.info]

Many cycles exhibit more than one peak. And we can only judge a cycle's intensity by it's effects at Earth. If most of the devastating, energetic events happen on the far side does that mean we had a weak maximum?

My gut tells me we haven't seen anything near the maximum yet. My understanding is that the SS Storms will gradually move closer to the equator before the pole shift. We haven't seen that yet.

As far as a prolonged minimum lasting possibly decades goes, I have no clue. But, again, I feel we don't have a long enough timeline of objective study to reach any conclusions.

Solar Cycle wiki:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye

Well the pole shift has already occurred in the North. It's polarity switched to positive on May 22. I've spent a lot more time learning about the magnetic fields (as your video indicates, the real solar cycle is about the magnetic fields, not so much about the sunspot counts) and what's going on with the magnetic fields is very funky.

Granted, I've only found data for magnetic field strength going back to 1976. The field phenomenon occurring now is certainly unique in the last 36 years, and even your sunspot chart has to go back 80~ years for reference. Modern society is more solar-vulnerable than ever, so unique phenomena are something to be wary of. If the last time this happened was 80 years ago, we really have no idea what to expect now, because back then our society wasn't nearly as EMP sensitive as it is now.

However, Hinode went as far back as the Maunder Minimum for reference of the last time the magnetic field behaved this way. You might believe they did that for sensationalism, but I somehow doubt it. Other than the initial April 21 press release, they've been dead silent. It does not seem to be attention getting behaviour to me.

Personally I would love it if some of you guys would stop focusing solely on sunspots and take a look at these mag field numbers. The solar magnetic fields are acting absolutely bizarrely. It's not just the length of the cycle, it's the acute asymmetry.

Here's a chart of the mag fields, last plot June 1, 2012.

[link to i47.tinypic.com]

See how the north has flipped while the south continues to strengthen? It's bizarre.
 Quoting: madajs

Thank you for sharing your observations and research.

Unfortunately, I really can't contribute to this as I don't know a thing about the polarity of the sun, other than the fact that in your graph it shows that cycles 21 & 22 seem to have the polarity to make a quick flip and distinction of north and south. Cycle 23 however does not seem to have the polarity over the last minimum to make the same clear distinction.

Due to what looks like a weak magnetic field (??) rather than seeing the quick flip, and a distinct north and south configuration in cycle 23, cycle 24 looks more like a synchronization rather polarization of North and South (which in itself doesn't seem to make sense).

And that's the extent of my observations. Unfortunately without the patient teachings of people like Nin, IWTB, TG1, Hugh ... etc ... that's about as much as I can comprehend at this point, but please keep us posted as to your interpretations. My only value is identifying obvious solar flares !!! lol
 Quoting: TS66

Thanks for your thoughts. I don't know much about it either, I was kind of hoping to post this data here and then the sun experts in this thread would have some insights. But maybe this anomaly is so bizarre that even guys like tomasgod1 are stumped? I don't know.

If the north continues it's upward trajectory and joins the south in having a firm (+) polarity, what will that mean? We have never seen anything like that, what kind of solar activity will follow, what kind of storms, what kind of interaction with our own magnetic field?

For those saying the sun has been boring lately, you aren't looking at the right data! This magnetic field behaviour is turning my brain into a pretzel. But it's also been fascinating to follow.
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C Flare just about - Now [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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I think we are going to have some tasty Multi Polarity Sunspot Regions : )

1512(GLP Stamp)is Tasty,BGD I think as well as the ones coming over the limb!
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After rolling it around in my mind for a while, I feel obligated to weigh in on the controversial subject of Solar Cycle 24. I think the predictions of a stunted solar maximum is based on very limited data. I'm a Solar Max virgin as most of you are. However, I've seen enough of the professional science crowd to suspect anything that seems designed to grab headlines. We've only observed the Sun from beyond the Earth's atmosphere for 20 years or thereabouts, so any predictions are automatically suspect, in my opinion, as our data base is woefully insufficient to predict anything. These gentlemen heliophysicists are merely expert guessers. Well, SO ARE WE! Need I remind you that we "out-guessed" NOAA, Lockheeed, and NASA 3 times in one week!? So, I take the experts pronouncements with a grain of salt.

The previous Solar Cycles documented by humans have ranged from 9 to almost 14 years in duration! The Sun is a chaotic system that so far defies our attempts to make it conform to our models and theories.

List of Solar Cycles:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

A Graphical Comparison of Solar Cycles:

[link to www.solen.info]

Many cycles exhibit more than one peak. And we can only judge a cycle's intensity by it's effects at Earth. If most of the devastating, energetic events happen on the far side does that mean we had a weak maximum?

My gut tells me we haven't seen anything near the maximum yet. My understanding is that the SS Storms will gradually move closer to the equator before the pole shift. We haven't seen that yet.

As far as a prolonged minimum lasting possibly decades goes, I have no clue. But, again, I feel we don't have a long enough timeline of objective study to reach any conclusions.

Solar Cycle wiki:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Well the pole shift has already occurred in the North. It's polarity switched to positive on May 22. I've spent a lot more time learning about the magnetic fields (as your video indicates, the real solar cycle is about the magnetic fields, not so much about the sunspot counts) and what's going on with the magnetic fields is very funky.

Granted, I've only found data for magnetic field strength going back to 1976. The field phenomenon occurring now is certainly unique in the last 36 years, and even your sunspot chart has to go back 80~ years for reference. Modern society is more solar-vulnerable than ever, so unique phenomena are something to be wary of. If the last time this happened was 80 years ago, we really have no idea what to expect now, because back then our society wasn't nearly as EMP sensitive as it is now.

However, Hinode went as far back as the Maunder Minimum for reference of the last time the magnetic field behaved this way. You might believe they did that for sensationalism, but I somehow doubt it. Other than the initial April 21 press release, they've been dead silent. It does not seem to be attention getting behaviour to me.

Personally I would love it if some of you guys would stop focusing solely on sunspots and take a look at these mag field numbers. The solar magnetic fields are acting absolutely bizarrely. It's not just the length of the cycle, it's the acute asymmetry.

Here's a chart of the mag fields, last plot June 1, 2012.

[link to i47.tinypic.com]

See how the north has flipped while the south continues to strengthen? It's bizarre.
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As Old Guard suggested, I've done some extra research on this topic. Before I state my piece, I wanted to post the only two "legitimate" articles I could find. Most of the search-term results about this are from suspect, un-scientific hyperbole web-sites such as Dutch-sinse, David dIcke, and 2012 doomers, etc. Here's the original HINODE PRESS RELEASE:

[link to hinode.nao.ac.jp]

And here's NASA's news release (much more balanced and informative IMO):

[link to www.nasa.gov]

I want everyone to read and digest the reports so we have a common point of reference before I begin my rant.......TO BE CONTINUED>>>>>

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Another Electron Fraggle [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Can't be related to the CC can it?

It's not is position yet?
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The Hinode (Heh-NO-DAY, are you listenin', Dutch?) North Pole Asymmetry-Pt. II

I really didn't want to go overboard on this story as I think it's much overblown already; and I find myself having to react to scattershot blast of exaggerations and pure disinfo. Yet I'll try to put things in perspective, as I see it.

First of all, I'm happy to see the Hinode findings and data put out in such a timely fashion. I don't fault the research team (well, maybe a little) for the sensationalism this story has sparked in the "alternative media". As you'll soon see, this bru-ha-ha is greatly unwarranted at this time. For one thing, the suggestion that sunspot counts are irrelevant in respect to measuring Solar Maximum is a ridiculous oversimplification. Sunspots are the manifestation of the magnetic field contortions we've measured for many solar cycles. The very definition of solar maximum is a peak in sunspot activity. Of course the solar magnetic fields are the driving force of everything we witness in regards to solar activity. No one disputes this fact.

According to the NASA news release:

"This is the first direct observation of this field reversal," says Cirtain. "And it is extremely important to understanding how the sun's magnetism generates the solar cycle."

If this is the first direct observation, what shall we compare it to???

The big blunder (IMO) in the Hinode press release, is comparing this to the Maunder Minimum....no one was measuring the Sun's magnetic field in the year 1650! This is at best conjecture, and at worst a scientific fraud.

From the Hinode team:

" It is believed that the Sun has previously experienced these circumstances during the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum, which are said to have been periods when the Earth's climate was colder."
BELIEVED? By whom?

There is a controversy here because the Sun's low sunspot count may have nothing to do with the cooler climate experienced during either the Maunder Minimum or the Dalton Minimum; as both periods coincided with extreme volcanic activity. Of course it's possible the solar minimum played a role, but none of this is undisputed proven scientific fact.
[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

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COMING SOON...........PART III
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The Sun's recent weird behavior is due to its interactions with the Interstellar Magnetic Plasma Cloud, which our solar system will enter its denser areas from December 2012. That cloud is what New Agers mistakenly call it the "Photon Belt". A Wave coming from the Galactic Center travelling trough this cloud will hit our solar system on December 2012. What I've said here will be mainstream knowledge a few weeks to 2 months from now, as it will be covered in any newspaper or TV channel you can lay your eyes on, or you can ask the ETs about this cloud directly, since Disclosure is just a few weeks away.alien11
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"For 2 consecutive years, lots of rumors concerning big earthquakes and pole shifts caused by a celestial object to occur around the date of August 17 has been circulating on the internet from sources like John Moore and Mike Harris (Nibiru Aug 17 2012) and Pattie Brassard (Mag 15 quake Aug 17 2013).....Is there in any way a chance that the real date could actually be this year? .....August 17-27 2014????" ----Solar Guardian
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The Sun's recent weird behavior is due to its interactions with the Interstellar Magnetic Plasma Cloud, which our solar system will enter its denser areas from December 2012. That cloud is what New Agers mistakenly call it the "Photon Belt". A Wave coming from the Galactic Center travelling trough this cloud will hit our solar system on December 2012. What I've said here will be mainstream knowledge a few weeks to 2 months from now, as it will be covered in any newspaper or TV channel you can lay your eyes on, or you can ask the ETs about this cloud directly, since Disclosure is just a few weeks away.alien11
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Something is playing with our Planets' Stuff [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] I don't think it's the TSA.

What do you think this may be from Hugh?

CH?

You can see that the Auroral Zone is lighting up again [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Electron Fraggle x 2 in 24 Hours [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Feeling hot hot hot.
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The Sun's recent weird behavior is due to its interactions with the Interstellar Magnetic Plasma Cloud, which our solar system will enter its denser areas from December 2012. That cloud is what New Agers mistakenly call it the "Photon Belt". A Wave coming from the Galactic Center travelling trough this cloud will hit our solar system on December 2012. What I've said here will be mainstream knowledge a few weeks to 2 months from now, as it will be covered in any newspaper or TV channel you can lay your eyes on, or you can ask the ETs about this cloud directly, since Disclosure is just a few weeks away.alien11
 Quoting: Solar Guardian

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So you're still thinking that 2012 will end like any normal year? Wrong. 2012 will end with mass arrests and prosecution of the Dark Cabal that has ruled things behind the scenes, release of advanced tech, such as free energy, anti-gravity tech, spacecraft from Black Projects, teleporters, etc. Finally there will be revelation of our true history, from ancient civilizations like Lemuria and Atlantis, our purpose of life here, and what happens after we die. Finally there will be UFO and ET Disclosure, appearance of Light Beings and Ascended Beings, all culminating in Dimensional Shift of our solar system by December 2012. By September 18 2012, all of this will be known publicly, if not then by that time I won't be posting on this thread.hf
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Thread: Japanese scientist predicts another major earthquake in Japan by 2017 -Japanese news!!!

"For 2 consecutive years, lots of rumors concerning big earthquakes and pole shifts caused by a celestial object to occur around the date of August 17 has been circulating on the internet from sources like John Moore and Mike Harris (Nibiru Aug 17 2012) and Pattie Brassard (Mag 15 quake Aug 17 2013).....Is there in any way a chance that the real date could actually be this year? .....August 17-27 2014????" ----Solar Guardian

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