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SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)

 
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they would have to be twice the speed of light to get here before leaving, sorry BOA
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Hitting pretty good right now,wings aren't spread spheres doing its job
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that would bring about nothing or infinite mass
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If they ever do build a time machine I will be the first to go back and suggest you not bring up the topic again.
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Yet
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 Quoting: Onthehook 4136818


Wish I knew what the hell we're seeing here. Maybe the long-awaited pole-shift, hahaha. Magnetometers are sure looking strange to me.

HAARP fluxgate magnetometer:
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Norwegian stackplots:
D component:
[link to flux.phys.uit.no]
Z component:
[link to flux.phys.uit.no]
H component:
[link to flux.phys.uit.no]

GOES 3-day plot:
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Solar wind speed is increasing-now 482 km/s
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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The HARRP sensors show a reversal in direction starting 11/16/2011. I couldn't get any archives longer than 30 days.

Is that common? ...for the directions to reverse for many days like that? The Russian data doesn't show this sort of behavior?
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bz is in the green, energy is headed north
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But, the speed faster than light would be the mass gain for the solar system right?
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so if you went into the Neutrino proof cabinet you would shrink ha ha
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Ok Ok, I'm off for the cabinet ha ha
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 Quoting: Onthehook 4136818


Wish I knew what the hell we're seeing here. Maybe the long-awaited pole-shift, hahaha. Magnetometers are sure looking strange to me.

HAARP fluxgate magnetometer:
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Norwegian stackplots:
D component:
[link to flux.phys.uit.no]
Z component:
[link to flux.phys.uit.no]
H component:
[link to flux.phys.uit.no]

GOES 3-day plot:
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Solar wind speed is increasing-now 482 km/s
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
uhoh
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


The HARRP sensors show a reversal in direction starting 11/16/2011. I couldn't get any archives longer than 30 days.

Is that common? ...for the directions to reverse for many days like that? The Russian data doesn't show this sort of behavior?
 Quoting: learner 6119679

I'm not sure what you mean by "reversal". Fluxgate magnetometer's use vector (3 way) measurements- North, East, and Vertical- to describe magnetic variations at that location. Different locations would have different measurements. Also, the graphs do back more than 1 month. Change the settings from 36 hr to weeks or months on the left side and hit "update plot". For example, here's plot for Oct 5th.
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
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Thank you for the gift upgrade, mystery person, peace & blessings be upon you for such kindness.

Here's some strange, new (to me, anyway) models from a secret Lockheed-Martin Underground Laboratory:

[link to www.lmsal.com]

Don't watch this is you have epilepsy or acid flashbacks (this needs some techno or synthi-space music):

[link to www.lmsal.com]

IWTB76- I found a good image of the Sun's far side, LOL.
farside
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Thank you for the gift upgrade, mystery person, peace & blessings be upon you for such kindness.

Here's some strange, new (to me, anyway) models from a secret Lockheed-Martin Underground Laboratory:

[link to www.lmsal.com]

Don't watch this is you have epilepsy or acid flashbacks (this needs some techno or synthi-space music):

[link to www.lmsal.com]

IWTB76- I found a good image of the Sun's far side, LOL.
:farside:
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damn, you^^ i dont love you anymore :D

haha good morning
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good morning all
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good morning all
 Quoting: Shenue


hey good morning sweetyhf
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good morning all
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hey good morning sweetyhf
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
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Thank you for the gift upgrade, mystery person, peace & blessings be upon you for such kindness.

Here's some strange, new (to me, anyway) models from a secret Lockheed-Martin Underground Laboratory:

[link to www.lmsal.com]

Don't watch this is you have epilepsy or acid flashbacks (this needs some techno or synthi-space music):

[link to www.lmsal.com]

IWTB76- I found a good image of the Sun's far side, LOL.
:farside:
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


damn, you^^ i dont love you anymore :D

haha good morning
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Hmmmm I don't know Hugh, looks more like a 'moon' to me, rather than the sun. :-)
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good morning all
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hey good morning sweetyhf
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
 Quoting: Shenue


haha, finally some action here kiss ^^


i enjoy my brake from work and wait for old region 1339..
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good morning all
 Quoting: Shenue


hey good morning sweetyhf
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
 Quoting: Shenue


haha, finally some action here kiss ^^


i enjoy my brake from work and wait for old region 1339..
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


So, cutie-pie, did earth get hit with something last night or early this morning? Did we have a CME hit us? It looks like we did. Is that what you all were talking about last night?
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
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absolutley!
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hey good morning sweetyhf
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
 Quoting: Shenue


haha, finally some action here kiss ^^


i enjoy my brake from work and wait for old region 1339..
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


So, cutie-pie, did earth get hit with something last night or early this morning? Did we have a CME hit us? It looks like we did. Is that what you all were talking about last night?
 Quoting: Shenue


yep honey,

At about 2110z yesterday the coronal mass ejection arrived.

Initially, the Bz went negative to minus 12 at 2202z but then went positive around midnight and stayed positive till 0530z(UT)

The K-Index increase a bit but didnt reach geomagnetic storm status.

But we know it was only a flank impact
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757117


absolutley!
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Hey I actually knew the answer to that question (a very rare occurrence), but you beat me to it IWTB. lol :Þ
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learner you may find this u tube series interesting


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plasmatic magnetic field : say that 22 times quickly...

srsly tho: spontaneous creation of light?
what happened to conservation of energy?

none of this will make sense till we figure out what gravity and inertia really are and couch them properly in terms of magnetic fields and electric currents.

and make sense of the whole wave/particle duality shenanigans...

 Quoting: learner 6119679


agreed
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How the heck are you doing cutie-pie? :-)
 Quoting: Shenue


haha, finally some action here kiss ^^


i enjoy my brake from work and wait for old region 1339..
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


So, cutie-pie, did earth get hit with something last night or early this morning? Did we have a CME hit us? It looks like we did. Is that what you all were talking about last night?
 Quoting: Shenue


yep honey,

At about 2110z yesterday the coronal mass ejection arrived.

Initially, the Bz went negative to minus 12 at 2202z but then went positive around midnight and stayed positive till 0530z(UT)

The K-Index increase a bit but didnt reach geomagnetic storm status.

But we know it was only a flank impact
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Ah ok, Thanks hf Maybe one of these days I will actually understand what you all are talking about. :-) I shall keep trying.
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haha shenue....u still understand all this stuff


you only want a private lesson, or? ^^
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a quick question solsters
Am I correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a C/M/X Flare without an associated CME?

Am I also correct in thinking that it's possible to observe a CME without an associated Flare?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757117


absolutley!
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


Ok, so knowing this, the following is seeming a bit vague to me:

"From August 28, 1859 until September 2, numerous sunspots and solar flares were observed on the sun. Just before noon on September 1, the British astronomer Richard Carrington observed the largest flare, which caused a massive coronal mass ejection (CME) to travel directly toward Earth, taking 18 hours. This is remarkable because such a journey normally takes three to four days. It moved so quickly because an earlier CME had cleared its way"

It is remarkable, maybe a CME was already on the way, and didn't get here in 18 hours as postulated.
I don't know what technology existed in 1859 to observe CME's.

just a thought
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haha shenue....u still understand all this stuff


you only want a private lesson, or? ^^
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


I think I'm too darn old to learn this stuff. lol Maybe someone will invent a way to learn using osmosis. That's about my only hope now. huh
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haha shenue....u still understand all this stuff


you only want a private lesson, or? ^^
 Quoting: IwantToBelieve76


I think I'm too darn old to learn this stuff. lol Maybe someone will invent a way to learn using osmosis. That's about my only hope now. huh
 Quoting: Shenue


^^okay i will try to learn it...:D
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ok guyz.

i can't make sense of this.

somebody posted the link to the HAARP Fluxgate Magnetometer site ( here's the archive link: [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] ) and i been studying the data....

something is weird.

if u use the above site and set it to 30 day data and fine scale (200 nT) with all three magnetic components included, you'll get a nice graph of the polar field variation over time. What it shows is that just before that weird cosmic ray flux event we had on the 21st, something 'rung the bell' and all the components reversed polarity (this is what the graph says, ok?). After that, not only has the polarity remained reversed, but the normal daily rhythm is gone as well.

now.
using the same chart, set the data to a one week time scale.

u can see that both graphs show the same spike events (as they should) and that the earth's daily rhythm is still gone (chaotic).

what is different is that the one week data does not show the same magnitude in reversal, with component oscillations crossing the 0 line (changing direction). the 30 day data set is clearly different (except for the spikes).

what gives?

HAARP is one our newest installations, right? .. with the most modern sensors?

i've worked with and created a lot of data sets: this should not happen when one changes time scales....

whatever this means, one thing is clear: ever since just before coming into opposition with our ghost comet, the earth's field has gone all wonky...

this bears keeping an eye on, me thinks.





GLP