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SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)

 
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I was going to poo-poo the NOAA Data cover-up conspiracy UNTIL I SAW THIS!!!
Here's a screenshot of earlier solar wind bad data:
:ACEbaddata:


Compare to the same graph now...

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

....it looks like somebody erased all the funky-looking solar wind velocities. Why would they bother to do this? Frankly, I'm baffled. Maybe they're just embarrassed.
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the time for the graphs is not the same
look on the bottom line
nothing was errased
and yes there is data for ACE, but its bad data
look at the density on that graph
you really think that the density is around 1.0 with a CME hit?
with it maxing out around 6.0 density?
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okay, so ace gives out bad data cause it was hit before it goes offline due to sensor contamination from the ongoing proton event


and this explains then the bad data, right?
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the sensors on board ACE are old, out of date, expired and needed replaced
they usually put ACE into safe mode whenever there is a significant event that could cause damage to the sensors. this time someone dropped the ball and did not put anything into safe mode
key word here is DAMAGE
the proton event did not totally fry the ACE sensors
its not dead!
But they were damaged thats for sure
and now they are giving out inaccurate readings
the sensor is not working correctly anymore
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Popping in to say Hello! I still don't understand the technical parts but I check the thread daily. Maybe I will learn from osmosis. LOL
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ACE Weekly Reports from Flight Operations Team
ACE Weekly 01/17/2012 - 01/23/2012

The full article is here: [link to www.srl.caltech.edu]

All ACE spacecraft subsystems are performing as expected.
The second paragraph is interesting:
With the recent solar activity, the ULEIS shutter closed to 25% at
022-07:21:39z. The shutter will reopen automatically when the solar
activity decreases. Also, it looks like the CRIS Image Intensifier
powered off at 023-07:46:38z. It's the first time the Image Intensifier
has automatically shut off since 12/6/2006. The CRIS science team waits
for the solar activity to decrease before requesting to send the
commands to turn it back on.
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Aurora reports coming in--BBC reports aurora in Scotland and elsewhere.

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Daily Mail pics mostly from the first storm I believe. But scroll to the bottom for an awesome time-lapse video from Lapland.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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ACE Weekly Reports from Flight Operations Team
ACE Weekly 01/17/2012 - 01/23/2012

The full article is here: [link to www.srl.caltech.edu]

All ACE spacecraft subsystems are performing as expected.
The second paragraph is interesting:
With the recent solar activity, the ULEIS shutter closed to 25% at
022-07:21:39z. The shutter will reopen automatically when the solar
activity decreases. Also, it looks like the CRIS Image Intensifier
powered off at 023-07:46:38z. It's the first time the Image Intensifier
has automatically shut off since 12/6/2006. The CRIS science team waits
for the solar activity to decrease before requesting to send the
commands to turn it back on.
popcorn
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Thanks, Joinca, nice find! hf

I don't think this totally explains the problems on the 24th however. Please let us know if you hear any new updates.

The ACE data seems to be better now, but the NICT sim. hasn't shown it.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

Goodnight, I'm exhausted. what a crazy couple of days....

Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 01/25/2012 02:00 AM
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ACE Weekly Reports from Flight Operations Team
ACE Weekly 01/17/2012 - 01/23/2012

The full article is here: [link to www.srl.caltech.edu]

All ACE spacecraft subsystems are performing as expected.
The second paragraph is interesting:
With the recent solar activity, the ULEIS shutter closed to 25% at
022-07:21:39z. The shutter will reopen automatically when the solar
activity decreases. Also, it looks like the CRIS Image Intensifier
powered off at 023-07:46:38z. It's the first time the Image Intensifier
has automatically shut off since 12/6/2006. The CRIS science team waits
for the solar activity to decrease before requesting to send the
commands to turn it back on.
popcorn
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Thanks, Joinca, nice find! hf

I don't think this totally explains the problems on the 24th however. Please let us know if you hear any new updates.

The ACE data seems to be better now, but the NICT sim. hasn't shown it.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

Goodnight, I'm exhausted. what a crazy couple of days....
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
Good morning, all! hf Simulator seems to be functioning again.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)
Updated 1/25/2012 @ 00:30 UTC
Strongest Radiation Storm since 2003
The solar Proton Flux is finally starting to decrease. After the CME impacted Earth on Tuesday morning, it reached an even higher reading (6300 pfu) and is now the largest radiation storm since October 2003. This event was responsible for the re-routing of commerical flights through the polar regions due to radiation risks. [link to www.solarham.com] Updated 1/25/2012 @ 06:50 UTC
Geomagnetic Storm Subsides The Kp index is now below 5, and the short lived G1 Geomagnetic Storm appears over for now. The solar wind on impact was over 750 km/s, but the mechanics of the event failed to generate a stronger storm. The Bz never dipped into negative territory for long durations, and this most likely suppressed activity. The solar wind remains near 600 km/s, and there is still a chance for geomagnetic activity to flare up again at very high latitudes. Stay Tuned to SolarHam.com for any new information.

UPDATE The Kp Index rose slightly to 4. Minor geomagnetic activity will be possible at very high latitudes.

[link to www.solarham.com]
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morning everyone :)

what is UP with the huge excursions on the HAARP magnetogram?
where the heck did THIS come from: 750 nT excursion nearly 12 hours later...

i = confused

[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

and Bz just keeps swinging back and fourth... some kinda 'ring down' from the last CME?
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Good Question, The Real Time Magnetospere
Simulation At:

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

Just jumped WAY up, and this after almost running flatline for
the last few days.
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The RTM simulation indicates that the velocity just VERTICAL'ED from sub-300 km/s to 600+ km/s...instrument glitch, bad feed data, I dunno?

Also,it appears that the POES Sat shoes a jump of activity level 6 directly to 10 at the same time as HAARP jumped.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

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not sure what this means, but may be related: Alaska is active again:

Report of ash explosions or ash plumes

VONA/KVERT-Project: Karymsky (1000-13) 20120123/2231Z

Issued: 20120123/2231Z
Volcano: Karymsky (1000-13)
Aviation Color Code: Orange
Source: KVERT
Notice number: 2012/4
Volcano Location: 54.049N 159.443E
Area: Kamchatka, Russia
Summit Elevation (meters/feet): 1486 m/4875 ft
Height of ash plume (feet/km) ASL and how determined: 0 ft/ km - unknown
Distance of ash plume from the volcano (mi/km): 43.51 mi/70 km
Direction of ash plume or ash cloud drift from the volcano: North-West
Start time of explosion and how determined: /Z - unknown
Time and method of observation: 20120123/2231Z - NOAA 16 (4m5)
Duration of eruption (or indicate eruption is continuing): eruption is continuing

Remarks:
Narrow gas-steam plume
Next Notice: A new VONA will be issued if conditions change significantly.
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morning everyone :)

what is UP with the huge excursions on the HAARP magnetogram?
where the heck did THIS come from: 750 nT excursion nearly 12 hours later...

i = confused

[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

and Bz just keeps swinging back and fourth... some kinda 'ring down' from the last CME?
 Quoting: learner 8531500


may assist visuals:

Understanding of solar wind structure might be wrong

Los Alamos scientist suggests new approach to measuring flow from the sun

“For decades we have been interpreting the spectrum of fluctuations in the solar wind as a measurement of turbulence in the wind. However, it turns out that impurities (discontinuities) in plasma dominate the signal. Hence, the spectrum is not a clean measurement of turbulence, and it may not even be a measurement of turbulence,” Borovsky said. In simpler terms, perhaps, we couldn’t see the forest for the trees.................

............Borovosky argues that the discontinuities are part of a structure to the solar wind that looks like spaghetti, with the discontinuities being the boundaries between adjacent noodles (magnetic tubes). In this concept, the wind plasma is structured rather than being homogeneous. He suggests that the spaghetti structure of the solar-wind plasma reflects the “magnetic carpet” on the surface of the Sun, with the spaghetti in the wind being loose strands of the magnetic carpet.
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The RTM simulation indicates that the velocity just VERTICAL'ED from sub-300 km/s to 600+ km/s...instrument glitch, bad feed data, I dunno?
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not trusting ACE anymore without confirmation, but...... DAMN!
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not sure what this means, but may be related: Alaska is active again:

Report of ash explosions or ash plumes

VONA/KVERT-Project: Karymsky (1000-13) 20120123/2231Z

Issued: 20120123/2231Z
Volcano: Karymsky (1000-13)
Aviation Color Code: Orange
Source: KVERT
Notice number: 2012/4
Volcano Location: 54.049N 159.443E
Area: Kamchatka, Russia
Summit Elevation (meters/feet): 1486 m/4875 ft
Height of ash plume (feet/km) ASL and how determined: 0 ft/ km - unknown
Distance of ash plume from the volcano (mi/km): 43.51 mi/70 km
Direction of ash plume or ash cloud drift from the volcano: North-West
Start time of explosion and how determined: /Z - unknown
Time and method of observation: 20120123/2231Z - NOAA 16 (4m5)
Duration of eruption (or indicate eruption is continuing): eruption is continuing

Remarks:
Narrow gas-steam plume
Next Notice: A new VONA will be issued if conditions change significantly.
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I just post this info in volcano activity update threat. Thank you an if possible give us the link
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perhaps, we couldn’t see the forest for the trees.................

............Borovosky argues that the discontinuities are part of a structure to the solar wind that looks like spaghetti, with the discontinuities being the boundaries between adjacent noodles (magnetic tubes). In this concept, the wind plasma is structured rather than being homogeneous. He suggests that the spaghetti structure of the solar-wind plasma reflects the “magnetic carpet” on the surface of the Sun, with the spaghetti in the wind being loose strands of the magnetic carpet.
 Quoting: aether

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as usual..

and of course the wind has structure, shit, everything has structure.
one of the most profound mistakes current science makes 9in my opinion, of course) is that they ass homoginity everywhere : makes the equations actually worked, u see?
workable, but wrong as it turns out.

anywho

spiral noodles of magnetic tubes washing over us constantly, like waves on the sea shore, only in one more direction...and ethereal.

but the wind does not cause that sort of magnetic anomalies deep in out magnetosphear does it? i mean, there's gotta be actual moving charged particles out there to induce magnetic behavior so strongly.

those x class cme's that hit last Sept maxed at 500 nT


shrug
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not sure what this means, but may be related: Alaska is active again:

Report of ash explosions or ash plumes

VONA/KVERT-Project: Karymsky (1000-13) 20120123/2231Z

Issued: 20120123/2231Z
Volcano: Karymsky (1000-13)
Aviation Color Code: Orange
Source: KVERT
Notice number: 2012/4
Volcano Location: 54.049N 159.443E
Area: Kamchatka, Russia
Summit Elevation (meters/feet): 1486 m/4875 ft
Height of ash plume (feet/km) ASL and how determined: 0 ft/ km - unknown
Distance of ash plume from the volcano (mi/km): 43.51 mi/70 km
Direction of ash plume or ash cloud drift from the volcano: North-West
Start time of explosion and how determined: /Z - unknown
Time and method of observation: 20120123/2231Z - NOAA 16 (4m5)
Duration of eruption (or indicate eruption is continuing): eruption is continuing

Remarks:
Narrow gas-steam plume
Next Notice: A new VONA will be issued if conditions change significantly.
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I just post this info in volcano activity update threat. Thank you an if possible give us the link
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[link to avo.alaska.edu]
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and of course the wind has structure, shit, everything has structure.
one of the most profound mistakes current science makes 9in my opinion, of course) is that they ass homoginity everywhere : makes the equations actually worked, u see?
workable, but wrong as it turns out.

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lol

"assume"


/facepalm
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New SIDC report:


SIDC - RWC BELGIUM Wed Jan 25 2012, 1245 UT

Solar activity is expected to be eruptive with chances for C
class flares from NOAA AR 1402 and 1401. There remains a risk for an M
class flare from one of these two regions. The proton event linked to
the M8.3 flare of Jan. 23 is still in progress, with >10 MeV proton flux
just below 200 pfu. It reached a maximum value of about 6300 pfu on Jan.
24 around 15:30 UT soon after a shock linked to the halo CME of Jan. 23
was observed by ACE. Geomagnetic conditions are expected to be quiet to
unsettled during the next 24 hours, with risks for isolated periods of
active conditions. Active conditions are expected by Jan. 27, due to a
coronal hole becoming geoeffective. Current solar wind conditions are
rather quiet with minor disturbances in the interplanetary magnetic
field; the solar wind speed is still around 600 km/s.

[link to sidc.oma.be]
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and also:

massive drop in cosmic ray particle count:
[link to helios.izmiran.rssi.ru]

[link to www.bigupload.com]
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Reply To Learner:

Sure enough, the math behind classical physics is centuries old, that behind quantum physics more than 100 years old, but the math for dealing with "Chaos" ie "fractal" physics is only ~ 25 years old. Unfortunately, to understand any thing with massive numbers of independent elements you need the later...so everything is modeled simply as possible.
Sorry for the off topic post all.
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but the wind does not cause that sort of magnetic anomalies deep in out magnetosphear does it? i mean, there's gotta be actual moving charged particles out there to induce magnetic behavior so strongly.

those x class cme's that hit last Sept maxed at 500 nT


shrug
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maybe not induced.. expressed?

a discharge of the 'capacitor' that Aether mentioned?
but Gaia is more like a transformer than a capacitor, isn't She?

maybe 'twass a transfer of energy to somewhere else inside? heating? human activity? life activty?

only ACE is still showing Bz flips, so external induction is still a likely explanation, no?
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I have a question: Does HAARP always take so damn long to load? I only lately started frequenting the site and it takes 15 times as long to process as any other place I go.
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so at roughly 10.00 UTC today the horizontal component of the Earth's field wobbled at 700 nT (there was a small amplitude, higher frequency ping inside of that as well) for over an hour

[link to www.bigupload.com]

10.00 UTC

that's daylight morning in Europe , aint it?
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but the wind does not cause that sort of magnetic anomalies deep in out magnetosphear does it? i mean, there's gotta be actual moving charged particles out there to induce magnetic behavior so strongly.

those x class cme's that hit last Sept maxed at 500 nT


shrug
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maybe not induced.. expressed?

a discharge of the 'capacitor' that Aether mentioned?
but Gaia is more like a transformer than a capacitor, isn't She?

maybe 'twass a transfer of energy to somewhere else inside? heating? human activity? life activty?


only ACE is still showing Bz flips, so external induction is still a likely explanation, no?
 Quoting: learner 8531500


bump
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new observation:

on or near Jan 2 this year, Saturn and Uranus were in opposition with Earth sitting at right angles to both of them.

[link to www.dynamicdiagrams.com]

wasn't that near about when Sol woke up and starting getin' all ornery 'n shit?
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I have a question: Does HAARP always take so damn long to load? I only lately started frequenting the site and it takes 15 times as long to process as any other place I go.
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No, this is not normal. However, I have been having the same issue since the protons went off the charts. Right now it will only load the site for me, but the icons for the charts are missing and I can't access anything.
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ok. so how about this:

in the absence of a strong IMF, is it possible that the ACE magnetometer is reading wobbles in Gaia's field rather than Sol's?

*wishing for 100's of magnetometers all linked and ddiplayed in graphical format*
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but the wind does not cause that sort of magnetic anomalies deep in out magnetosphear does it? i mean, there's gotta be actual moving charged particles out there to induce magnetic behavior so strongly.

those x class cme's that hit last Sept maxed at 500 nT


shrug
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maybe not induced.. expressed?

a discharge of the 'capacitor' that Aether mentioned?
but Gaia is more like a transformer than a capacitor, isn't She?

maybe 'twass a transfer of energy to somewhere else inside? heating? human activity? life activty?

only ACE is still showing Bz flips, so external induction is still a likely explanation, no?
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so..ummm.

everything is down.

wtf?
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so..ummm.

everything is down.

wtf?
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nevermind: just high access numbers i guess: folks r qurious...





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