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Hugh M Eye User ID: 12144599 United States 03/07/2012 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: RTS REDUX [...] geomagnetic storms can occur at any point in the solar cycle, and not all solar flares or coronal mass ejections will trigger a storm. Most of them, after all, will be pointed away from Earth. Of the earthbound ones, the damage they do depends on, among other things, the polarity of the magnetic field carried by the solar wind. If the polarity is the same as that of Earth's magnetic field, most of the particles will be deflected harmlessly into space. umm..does anyone know what the polarity is on this one?? so.. if the solar wind and the Earths magnetic field are both positive polarity we have nothing to worry about. are they both positive? TIA Howdy, RTS. Yes, usually like polarities repel each other. When the Bz field element goes south we have the best chance for ground currents and aurorae. However, recent discoveries prove this is not always the case. "The size of the breach took researchers by surprise. "We've seen things like this before," says Raeder, "but never on such a large scale. The entire day-side of the magnetosphere was open to the solar wind." The circumstances were even more surprising. Space physicists have long believed that holes in Earth's magnetosphere open only in response to solar magnetic fields that point south. The great breach of June 2007, however, opened in response to a solar magnetic field that pointed north. "To the lay person, this may sound like a quibble, but to a space physicist, it is almost seismic," says Sibeck. "When I tell my colleagues, most react with skepticism, as if I'm trying to convince them that the sun rises in the west."" [link to science.nasa.gov] The ieee article I quoted from was from last month..I noticed the article you quoted from was from 2008. Is there a way to determine if they are the same polarity? I only ask because the ieee didn't mention the 2008 finding Really we can only make an educated guess before the event. Usually, the ACE satellite provides the IMF (Interplanetary magnetic Field) data just ahead of Earth-impact. As we've seen in many other events, the mag-field can flip-flop more than Mitt Romney. Usually we don't know what's comin' 'til it's here, and I only posted the above to show that even a "friendly" north-oriented field can still produce strong geo-effects. The ACE SW-MAG data is the best way to determine polarity in reaL-time situations. Top line of graph shows us polarity: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 03/07/2012 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SOLAR ENERGETIC PARTICLE EVENT EFFECTS- Quoting: Hugh M Eye NASA expert..CME is .."similar to a French croissant". [link to www.youtube.com] Serious U.S. Department of Homeland Security Business Solar Energetic Particle Event ( SEPE ) effects on Earth and mankind are understood by professionals who are familiar with the damages caused by them, however very few citizens know about this, and even fewer know ’what to be preparing for’ is coming very soon that will impact their lives. While a Solar Energetic Particle Event on Earth is ‘not doomsday with a crash and bang’, many will soon realize it comes with ‘no warning’ and is ‘extremely silent’ on ‘large sections of populations’ whom never even knew - let alone expected – what a Solar Energetic Particle Event ( SEPE ) really means for those living in modern day society. Masses of people will be ‘immediately confused’, ’not fully understanding’ what has happened to them all when nothing electrical operates for a long period of time. Experiencing ‘no electricity’ will be ‘totally foreign’ for many so, it becomes ‘vitaly important’ to begin learning today ‘how to prepare to survive’ within a ‘not too distant future society’ that has been instantly seperated from all modern day conveniences they had lived with for decades. Sound impossible or ridiculous? Try telling the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, who knows what is coming soon, that it is impossible and ridiculous and see what they tell you! [link to conceptactivityresearchvault.wordpress.com] Internet outage predicted LAST MONTH for tomorrow?? why would 1/2 of all the Fortune 500 companies just allow that to happen if they could supposedly prevent it |
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Hugh M Eye User ID: 12144599 United States 03/07/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ninz and friends: I have been following this thread for a few months now. And, Wow!! I am just learning, but ya'll are amazing>> really!! You have taught me ALOT!! Thank you ! Quoting: sissuzi Nice of you to say so, suzi, welcome aboard! Feel free to jump in and give us your opinion or ask a question if the need arises. |
RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 03/07/2012 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: RTS REDUX ... so.. if the solar wind and the Earths magnetic field are both positive polarity we have nothing to worry about. are they both positive? TIA Howdy, RTS. Yes, usually like polarities repel each other. When the Bz field element goes south we have the best chance for ground currents and aurorae. However, recent discoveries prove this is not always the case. "The size of the breach took researchers by surprise. "We've seen things like this before," says Raeder, "but never on such a large scale. The entire day-side of the magnetosphere was open to the solar wind." The circumstances were even more surprising. Space physicists have long believed that holes in Earth's magnetosphere open only in response to solar magnetic fields that point south. The great breach of June 2007, however, opened in response to a solar magnetic field that pointed north. "To the lay person, this may sound like a quibble, but to a space physicist, it is almost seismic," says Sibeck. "When I tell my colleagues, most react with skepticism, as if I'm trying to convince them that the sun rises in the west."" [link to science.nasa.gov] The ieee article I quoted from was from last month..I noticed the article you quoted from was from 2008. Is there a way to determine if they are the same polarity? I only ask because the ieee didn't mention the 2008 finding Really we can only make an educated guess before the event. Usually, the ACE satellite provides the IMF (Interplanetary magnetic Field) data just ahead of Earth-impact. As we've seen in many other events, the mag-field can flip-flop more than Mitt Romney. Usually we don't know what's comin' 'til it's here, and I only posted the above to show that even a "friendly" north-oriented field can still produce strong geo-effects. The ACE SW-MAG data is the best way to determine polarity in reaL-time situations. Top line of graph shows us polarity: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Thanks! it looks like BT and BZ are both positive right now |
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Hugh M Eye User ID: 12144599 United States 03/07/2012 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem is....ALL of our most advanced space weather prediction models are based on the ACE data stream. AND, all of our most advanced CME models are based on the SOHO imagery. I was astounded when I looked into this, but even Russia and China base all of their space weather forecasts on NOAA and NASA data. This is what proved to me once and for all we have a NEW WORLD ORDER; when I realized that Chinese and Russian military/spy satellites are openly using the space assets paid for by the American taxpayers!!!! My point is....if the ACE data stops or is corrupted (and to a lesser extent, SOHO), we'll be like a blind man in the dark with feeler-stick. The NICT simulation and the bow-shock simulation are completely dependent on up-to-date ACE sensor data. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] screenshot from last proton event ACE failure: :ACEbaddata: |
flavapor User ID: 964647 United States 03/07/2012 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Geez the timing couldnt be worse. My daughter has a flight from Fl to Tn tomorrow at 12:30, lands at 2pm. She just called me cause she saw this on the news and is freakin out. Arent planes that are flying closer to the poles more likely to be affected? I would assume the airlines monitor this stuff and would postpone the flight if there was going to be a problem. Anyone have any input??? |
Palm User ID: 1719732 United States 03/07/2012 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uh-oh! I just realized the ACE satellite is offline again--just like the last PROTON STORM in January. This is not good. Our two most important solar satellites are both orbiting in the L1 orbit (1 million miles out). SOHO & ACE (Advance Composition Explorer) are both very old-age by satellite standards and the entire planet is now reliant on them for real-time crucial data. If ACE goes down, it's like we had an eye poked out....and if SOHO goes down, too, it's like the "Moe Howard double-eye-poke" (ouch!) Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Quoting: Hugh M Eye The problem is....ALL of our most advanced space weather prediction models are based on the ACE data stream. AND, all of our most advanced CME models are based on the SOHO imagery. I was astounded when I looked into this, but even Russia and China base all of their space weather forecasts on NOAA and NASA data. This is what proved to me once and for all we have a NEW WORLD ORDER; when I realized that Chinese and Russian military/spy satellites are openly using the space assets paid for by the American taxpayers!!!! My point is....if the ACE data stops or is corrupted (and to a lesser extent, SOHO), we'll be like a blind man in the dark with feeler-stick. The NICT simulation and the bow-shock simulation are completely dependent on up-to-date ACE sensor data. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] screenshot from last proton event ACE failure: :ACEbaddata: Even as grave as the problem is, you made me laugh with The Three Stooges reference |
zcoolfairy User ID: 4140658 United States 03/07/2012 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow! The other 700 are from me!! NiNzrez and team (Tom,Hugh, IWTB, Endofall, RTS,oldguard,TS66, Spittin,shad,Luis,Lookn,ElQ(I check on his thread too) and anyone else I missed- you guys are amazing! I have been obsessed with following your every word for the past month! I am on the edge of my seat waiting for more info on what's happening with the sun from you all! Just when I am about to be overwhelmed by the Sun Doom, I realize how cool it is that you guys just love learning and watching what the sun is doing... just because it's so fascinating! And you support each other- so nice to watch! I've learned SO much! Pray for the best, but thanks for the head's up if not! Peace and blessings and Congrats on the thread, the blog and all! :) |
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shadasonic User ID: 10309055 United States 03/08/2012 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uh-oh! I just realized the ACE satellite is offline again--just like the last PROTON STORM in January. This is not good. Our two most important solar satellites are both orbiting in the L1 orbit (1 million miles out). SOHO & ACE (Advance Composition Explorer) are both very old-age by satellite standards and the entire planet is now reliant on them for real-time crucial data. If ACE goes down, it's like we had an eye poked out....and if SOHO goes down, too, it's like the "Moe Howard double-eye-poke" (ouch!) Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Quoting: Hugh M Eye The problem is....ALL of our most advanced space weather prediction models are based on the ACE data stream. AND, all of our most advanced CME models are based on the SOHO imagery. I was astounded when I looked into this, but even Russia and China base all of their space weather forecasts on NOAA and NASA data. This is what proved to me once and for all we have a NEW WORLD ORDER; when I realized that Chinese and Russian military/spy satellites are openly using the space assets paid for by the American taxpayers!!!! My point is....if the ACE data stops or is corrupted (and to a lesser extent, SOHO), we'll be like a blind man in the dark with feeler-stick. The NICT simulation and the bow-shock simulation are completely dependent on up-to-date ACE sensor data. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] screenshot from last proton event ACE failure: :ACEbaddata: Watch this happen, and am in total agreement with the NWO statement “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
Palm User ID: 1719732 United States 03/08/2012 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Geez the timing couldnt be worse. My daughter has a flight from Fl to Tn tomorrow at 12:30, lands at 2pm. She just called me cause she saw this on the news and is freakin out. Quoting: flavapor Arent planes that are flying closer to the poles more likely to be affected? I would assume the airlines monitor this stuff and would postpone the flight if there was going to be a problem. Anyone have any input??? planes are being rerouted, I am a Mom so I understand, worry not. |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 12144599 United States 03/08/2012 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Geez the timing couldnt be worse. My daughter has a flight from Fl to Tn tomorrow at 12:30, lands at 2pm. She just called me cause she saw this on the news and is freakin out. Quoting: flavapor Arent planes that are flying closer to the poles more likely to be affected? I would assume the airlines monitor this stuff and would postpone the flight if there was going to be a problem. Anyone have any input??? Is that Florida to Tennessee ? Isn't it easier to hitch-hike? Seriously, though, it's the North America to Asia flights that will probably be re-routed. Believe me, the airlines and power companies are well aware of the space weather ramifications of extreme events/storms. I wouldn't be too concerned about short flights away from the poles (60 degrees latitude or higher)--but stay away from those TSA X-ray scanners! "The charged particles hit Earth at 4 million mph (6.4 million kph). Nasa solar physicist Alex Young said: "It could give us a bit of a jolt." The solar storm is likely to last until Friday morning, although further eruptions are possible".-fuck the guardian |
flavapor User ID: 964647 United States 03/08/2012 12:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Geez the timing couldnt be worse. My daughter has a flight from Fl to Tn tomorrow at 12:30, lands at 2pm. She just called me cause she saw this on the news and is freakin out. Quoting: flavapor Arent planes that are flying closer to the poles more likely to be affected? I would assume the airlines monitor this stuff and would postpone the flight if there was going to be a problem. Anyone have any input??? planes are being rerouted, I am a Mom so I understand, worry not. Geez the timing couldnt be worse. My daughter has a flight from Fl to Tn tomorrow at 12:30, lands at 2pm. She just called me cause she saw this on the news and is freakin out. Quoting: flavapor Arent planes that are flying closer to the poles more likely to be affected? I would assume the airlines monitor this stuff and would postpone the flight if there was going to be a problem. Anyone have any input??? Is that Florida to Tennessee ? Isn't it easier to hitch-hike? Seriously, though, it's the North America to Asia flights that will probably be re-routed. Believe me, the airlines and power companies are well aware of the space weather ramifications of extreme events/storms. I wouldn't be too concerned about short flights away from the poles (60 degrees latitude or higher)--but stay away from those TSA X-ray scanners! "The charged particles hit Earth at 4 million mph (6.4 million kph). Nasa solar physicist Alex Young said: "It could give us a bit of a jolt." The solar storm is likely to last until Friday morning, although further eruptions are possible".-fuck the guardian Yes Florida to Tennessee. Why the NA to Asia flights? Is it cause they fly closer to the poles or something? Thanks to both of you for responding. |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/08/2012 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone feel like speculating on the chances of major grid damage in the next twenty four hours? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2583771 im calling... a Kp8 reaching into a Kp9 for a bit i try to stay away from posting anything i see that is very doomie but, i feel a bit doomie with this one there are a lot of red flags with this event the crappy thing with this sun stuff and us knowing the new carrington is unavoidable, and will happen is, that even if/when we see all the signs... it would be like every other event with that damn sun being that we would not know for sure, untill it happens so, if this one turns out to be the biggie we all look for that we know is coming one day its be a pleasure everyone :) Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/08/2012 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just a little note so i can share some news that excited me :) Quoting: NiNzrez the Solar Alerts Blog got 8,701 hits in the last 24hrs wooohoooo! Congratz!...You go, girl! Hey, I just realized the 1989 storm was also in early March. Maybe the Sun's B'day too. oo your right thats sweet! Happy birthday sun ^^ Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/08/2012 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ninz and friends: I have been following this thread for a few months now. And, Wow!! I am just learning, but ya'll are amazing>> really!! You have taught me ALOT!! Thank you ! Quoting: sissuzi very welcome Sissuzi glad to have you around :) Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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joinca User ID: 8793176 United States 03/08/2012 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Second Biggest Flare Of the Solar Cycle Mar 08, 2012 This movie of the March 6, 2012 X5.4 flare was captured by the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) in the 171 Angstrom wavelength. One of the most dramatic features is the way the entire surface of the sun seems to ripple with the force of the eruption. This movement comes from something called EIT waves - because they were first discovered with the Extreme ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (EIT) on the Solar Heliospheric Observatory. Since SDO captures images every 12 seconds, it has been able to map the full evolution of these waves and confirm that they can travel across the full breadth of the sun. The waves move at over a million miles per hour, zipping from one side of the sun to the other in about an hour. The movie shows two distinct waves. The first seems to spread in all directions; the second is narrower, moving toward the southeast. Such waves are associated with, and perhaps trigger, fast coronal mass ejections, so it is likely that each one is connected to one of the two CMEs that erupted on March 6. Credit: NASA/SDO/AIA. NASA models using data from the Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory (STEREO) and the Solar Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) have now provided more information about the two CMEs associated with the two March 6 flares. The first is traveling faster than 1300 miles per second; the second more than 1100 miles per second. NASA's models predict that the CMEs will impact both Earth and Mars, as well as pass by several NASA spacecraft - Messenger, Spitzer, and STEREO-B. The models also predict that the leading edge of the first CME will reach Earth at about 1:25 AM EST on the morning of March 8 (plus or minus 7 hours). Such a CME could result in a severe geomagnetic storm, causing aurora at low latitudes, with possible disruption to high frequency radio communication, global positioning systems (GPS), and power grids. The full article is here: [link to www.spacedaily.com] This thread rocks!!! "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1516039 United States 03/08/2012 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Hugh M Eye Howdy, RTS. Yes, usually like polarities repel each other. When the Bz field element goes south we have the best chance for ground currents and aurorae. However, recent discoveries prove this is not always the case. "The size of the breach took researchers by surprise. "We've seen things like this before," says Raeder, "but never on such a large scale. The entire day-side of the magnetosphere was open to the solar wind." The circumstances were even more surprising. Space physicists have long believed that holes in Earth's magnetosphere open only in response to solar magnetic fields that point south. The great breach of June 2007, however, opened in response to a solar magnetic field that pointed north. "To the lay person, this may sound like a quibble, but to a space physicist, it is almost seismic," says Sibeck. "When I tell my colleagues, most react with skepticism, as if I'm trying to convince them that the sun rises in the west."" [link to science.nasa.gov] The ieee article I quoted from was from last month..I noticed the article you quoted from was from 2008. Is there a way to determine if they are the same polarity? I only ask because the ieee didn't mention the 2008 finding Really we can only make an educated guess before the event. Usually, the ACE satellite provides the IMF (Interplanetary magnetic Field) data just ahead of Earth-impact. As we've seen in many other events, the mag-field can flip-flop more than Mitt Romney. Usually we don't know what's comin' 'til it's here, and I only posted the above to show that even a "friendly" north-oriented field can still produce strong geo-effects. The ACE SW-MAG data is the best way to determine polarity in reaL-time situations. Top line of graph shows us polarity: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Thanks! it looks like BT and BZ are both positive right now Its interesting about the polarity part, wonder what causes it to be reversed? The part of the ieee article that got me most was: "Eventually, though, we will get a Carrington-class flare that will trigger a superstorm the likes of which we have never seen. For that we are woefully unprepared." scaaary! |
zacksavage User ID: 12157486 United States 03/08/2012 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so, if this one turns out to be the biggie we all look for that we know is coming one day Quoting: NiNzrez its been a pleasure everyone :) It most certainly has,...I just came out of the movie "Melancholia" NiN. It was kind of a surreal night. The moon was full and I had followed the recent flare activity today. I ran into friends and we watched the people on screen deal with an incoming planet. One girl was in sync with it all and had her own personal melancholy to deal with. She was the strongest at the end by having come to terms with it all. After the movie, I returned my coffee cup and overheard a table of 3 Girls talking about the flare in the morning, heard nervous laughter. Kinda like you NiN,...us, we are watchers coming to terms with style and grace, massive sun awe. Happy one year to us All!!! Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
MamaHasAwakened User ID: 5426767 United States 03/08/2012 01:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone feel like speculating on the chances of major grid damage in the next twenty four hours? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2583771 im calling... a Kp8 reaching into a Kp9 for a bit i try to stay away from posting anything i see that is very doomie but, i feel a bit doomie with this one there are a lot of red flags with this event the crappy thing with this sun stuff and us knowing the new carrington is unavoidable, and will happen is, that even if/when we see all the signs... it would be like every other event with that damn sun being that we would not know for sure, untill it happens so, if this one turns out to be the biggie we all look for that we know is coming one day its be a pleasure everyone :) Nin, I feel doomie too for some reason! You are always spot on with the sun and it's activities! Thank you for posting this as it matches what I think as well! I have learned so much here and I thank you and everyone else. Hopefully it is just a wake up call! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379864 United States 03/08/2012 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone feel like speculating on the chances of major grid damage in the next twenty four hours? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2583771 im calling... a Kp8 reaching into a Kp9 for a bit i try to stay away from posting anything i see that is very doomie but, i feel a bit doomie with this one there are a lot of red flags with this event the crappy thing with this sun stuff and us knowing the new carrington is unavoidable, and will happen is, that even if/when we see all the signs... it would be like every other event with that damn sun being that we would not know for sure, untill it happens so, if this one turns out to be the biggie we all look for that we know is coming one day its be a pleasure everyone :) Nin, I feel doomie too for some reason! You are always spot on with the sun and it's activities! Thank you for posting this as it matches what I think as well! I have learned so much here and I thank you and everyone else. Hopefully it is just a wake up call! We all feel doomie because our bodies are burning all over with ungodly levels of radiation |
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