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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're heading to bed soon. Here's hoping we'll be able to be here in the morning. Well morning for me. Keeping my fingers crossed. Quoting: shenue AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU THAT KEEP US INFORMED. I watch the charts also. Some of it I understand some I don't. But the bottom line is I stay here to help stay informed. Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Hugh and Nin and all you guys. We can only wait and see. Any thoughts. solar viewing is 90% waiting game, 10% going over data haha now we wait Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
LD User ID: 12273661 Australia 03/10/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im just wondering, other than effecting radio/telecommunications, what effects can we expect on the 11th/12th march?.. I notice there seems to be a little bit of anxiety/nervousness/excitment on this thread atm in relation to all these flares and cme's.. just wondering what it all means for us in terms of physical effects.. thanks in advance for any answers.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379864 United States 03/10/2012 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before it's "too late" (I have no idea what's about to happen but I'm just observing with every one else and trying to joke around to keep my head level above this potential doom): I've noticed an obviously weird piece of a potentially massive puzzle... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379864 In the bottom left corner of the lasco c2 imagery you can find an apparent sphere either sending or receiving energy from the sun! Check it out [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Print screen this in to an image editor and play with the colors and light effects and you'll find that it's VERY perfectly spherical. The Lasco c2 images are obviously altered to some extent to show the surface of the sun but this object is unusually dark. If it disappears from the picture I'll try and upload my color edits so every one else can see this bizarre object. whoa that is very odd looking great eye to catch this! now im going to see if this shows on any other SDO images for that time ^^ I'm seeing it in every image and clip of the sun and it appears the hover in place sending that weird beam towards the surface of the bottom left. At first I thought it was intense magma dragon effect but it's pretty static... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5240732 United States 03/10/2012 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to tell since it hasn't actually hit yet. We are due for one in the next twelve hours and the one from todays LDE after that. We typically don't know their effects until they hit and that seems to be based on a number of variables we don't quite understand. At this point I don't think anybody knows if we will get one strong hit and one mediocre hit, or two devastating impacts or none at all since the planet reacts differently on a case by case basis to each particular hit. I'm not sure if I'm worried about these two CMEs, they aren't quite back to back and the speed of the second isn't quite as high to give someone an immediate "oh fuck" reaction, carrington was something like 2,400kms+ supposedly. Ok thanks :) I sure hope the lack of the "oh fuck!" factor really is a good sign lol |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379864 United States 03/10/2012 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to tell since it hasn't actually hit yet. We are due for one in the next twelve hours and the one from todays LDE after that. We typically don't know their effects until they hit and that seems to be based on a number of variables we don't quite understand. At this point I don't think anybody knows if we will get one strong hit and one mediocre hit, or two devastating impacts or none at all since the planet reacts differently on a case by case basis to each particular hit. I'm not sure if I'm worried about these two CMEs, they aren't quite back to back and the speed of the second isn't quite as high to give someone an immediate "oh fuck" reaction, carrington was something like 2,400kms+ supposedly. Ok thanks :) I sure hope the lack of the "oh fuck!" factor really is a good sign lol It's a neutral sign, this is just the only thread on GLP that is based on observation and little to no insanity. |
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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to tell since it hasn't actually hit yet. We are due for one in the next twelve hours and the one from todays LDE after that. We typically don't know their effects until they hit and that seems to be based on a number of variables we don't quite understand. At this point I don't think anybody knows if we will get one strong hit and one mediocre hit, or two devastating impacts or none at all since the planet reacts differently on a case by case basis to each particular hit. I'm not sure if I'm worried about these two CMEs, they aren't quite back to back and the speed of the second isn't quite as high to give someone an immediate "oh fuck" reaction, carrington was something like 2,400kms+ supposedly. Ok thanks :) I sure hope the lack of the "oh fuck!" factor really is a good sign lol haha we all do say that to ourselvs a lot and have many times over this last week haha^^ we just try hard to contain ourselvs and not let our emotional sides control our thinking about whats going on and what will happen. wow! what an intence solar week we have had! Last Edited by NiNzrez on 03/10/2012 11:23 PM Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5240732 United States 03/10/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to tell since it hasn't actually hit yet. We are due for one in the next twelve hours and the one from todays LDE after that. We typically don't know their effects until they hit and that seems to be based on a number of variables we don't quite understand. At this point I don't think anybody knows if we will get one strong hit and one mediocre hit, or two devastating impacts or none at all since the planet reacts differently on a case by case basis to each particular hit. I'm not sure if I'm worried about these two CMEs, they aren't quite back to back and the speed of the second isn't quite as high to give someone an immediate "oh fuck" reaction, carrington was something like 2,400kms+ supposedly. Ok thanks :) I sure hope the lack of the "oh fuck!" factor really is a good sign lol It's a neutral sign, this is just the only thread on GLP that is based on observation and little to no insanity. haha Very true! |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before it's "too late" (I have no idea what's about to happen but I'm just observing with every one else and trying to joke around to keep my head level above this potential doom): I've noticed an obviously weird piece of a potentially massive puzzle... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379864 In the bottom left corner of the lasco c2 imagery you can find an apparent sphere either sending or receiving energy from the sun! Check it out [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Print screen this in to an image editor and play with the colors and light effects and you'll find that it's VERY perfectly spherical. The Lasco c2 images are obviously altered to some extent to show the surface of the sun but this object is unusually dark. If it disappears from the picture I'll try and upload my color edits so every one else can see this bizarre object. whoa that is very odd looking great eye to catch this! now im going to see if this shows on any other SDO images for that time ^^ I'm seeing it in every image and clip of the sun and it appears the hover in place sending that weird beam towards the surface of the bottom left. At first I thought it was intense magma dragon effect but it's pretty static... i see that as well im saving some of these for Tomasgod1 he will like to see this :) thanks again Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 12306182 United States 03/10/2012 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CME EARTHWARD DIRECTION.... Poomvises & Zhang (2007) found, from the study of solar and interplanetary sources of major geomagnetic storms ( nT), that the main source of a major geomagnetic storm is a fast full halo CME. Second, CME location and speed are also important geoeffective parameters. Wang et al. (2002) found that 83% of the frontside halo CMEs that caused geomagnetic storms with took place within ±30° of the central meridian and that their source locations are asymmetrical in longitude with the majority located on the west side of the central meridian. Srivastava & Venkatakrishnan (2004) showed that the CME speeds in the LASCO field of view were roughly correlated with the strength of geomagnetic storms and that a large percentage (62%) of the geoeffective CMEs are faster than 700 km s–1. Several studies suggested that fast halo CMEs, which occurred close to solar center, are favorable candidates for strong geomagnetic storms (Venkatakrishnan & Ravindra 2003; Srivastava 2005). Third, the magnetic field orientation of a CME's source region was suggested as an important parameter of the geoeffective CME (Pevtsov & Canfield 2001). Kang et al. (2006) found that southward orientation of the magnetic field in the CME source region plays an important role in the production of geomagnetic storm by investigation of the source region's shapes ( or inverse ) of the X-ray sigmoids associated with 63 CMEs. For about 84% of the CMEs, their geoeffective consequences are consistent with their magnetic field orientations. Song et al. (2006) showed that 92% ( ) of the CME source regions associated with the super storms ( nT) have southward field orientations as determined by the potential field extrapolation from daily full-disk MDI magnetograms. Fourth, Moon et al. (2005) proposed a CME earthward direction parameter, D (defined in § 2.2), that quantifies the degree of asymmetry of the CME shape. They found, using 12 events, that the CME earthward direction seems to be the most important parameter in the geoeffectiveness of very fast halo CMEs (≥1300 km s–1). [link to iopscience.iop.org] Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 03/10/2012 11:30 PM |
<<LOOK`n thru YOU>> User ID: 1031150 United States 03/10/2012 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to tell since it hasn't actually hit yet. We are due for one in the next twelve hours and the one from todays LDE after that. We typically don't know their effects until they hit and that seems to be based on a number of variables we don't quite understand. At this point I don't think anybody knows if we will get one strong hit and one mediocre hit, or two devastating impacts or none at all since the planet reacts differently on a case by case basis to each particular hit. I'm not sure if I'm worried about these two CMEs, they aren't quite back to back and the speed of the second isn't quite as high to give someone an immediate "oh fuck" reaction, carrington was something like 2,400kms+ supposedly. Ok thanks :) I sure hope the lack of the "oh fuck!" factor really is a good sign lol haha we all do say that to ourselvs a lot and have many times over this last week haha^^ we just try hard to contain ourselvs and not let our emotional sides control our thinking about whats going on and what will happen. wow! what an intence solar week we have had! Yes it has been a helluva week..suntards dream..lol...i just wish they would keep all the simlations running during these heavier storms so we arent in the dark and jumping all over the place looking for updated information.....it just makes ya go hmmmmm when they pull that shit...guess we have to work with what we got....and we got a helluva team on this thread doing a great job.... |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im just wondering, other than effecting radio/telecommunications, what effects can we expect on the 11th/12th march?.. I notice there seems to be a little bit of anxiety/nervousness/excitment on this thread atm in relation to all these flares and cme's.. just wondering what it all means for us in terms of physical effects.. thanks in advance for any answers.. Quoting: LD 12273661 Biology There is a growing body of evidence that changes in the geomagnetic field affect biological systems. Studies indicate that physically stressed human biological systems may respond to fluctuations in the geomagnetic field. Interest and concern in this subject have led the International Union of Radio Science to create a new commission entitled Commission K — Electromagnetics in Biology and Medicine [link to en.wikipedia.org] ;) Magnetic Storms Affect Humans As Well As Telecommunications? [link to www.spacedaily.com] Last Edited by NiNzrez on 03/10/2012 11:33 PM Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Starwind It's hard to tell since it hasn't actually hit yet. We are due for one in the next twelve hours and the one from todays LDE after that. We typically don't know their effects until they hit and that seems to be based on a number of variables we don't quite understand. At this point I don't think anybody knows if we will get one strong hit and one mediocre hit, or two devastating impacts or none at all since the planet reacts differently on a case by case basis to each particular hit. I'm not sure if I'm worried about these two CMEs, they aren't quite back to back and the speed of the second isn't quite as high to give someone an immediate "oh fuck" reaction, carrington was something like 2,400kms+ supposedly. Ok thanks :) I sure hope the lack of the "oh fuck!" factor really is a good sign lol haha we all do say that to ourselvs a lot and have many times over this last week haha^^ we just try hard to contain ourselvs and not let our emotional sides control our thinking about whats going on and what will happen. wow! what an intence solar week we have had! Yes it has been a helluva week..suntards dream..lol...i just wish they would keep all the simlations running during these heavier storms so we arent in the dark and jumping all over the place looking for updated information.....it just makes ya go hmmmmm when they pull that shit...guess we have to work with what we got....and we got a helluva team on this thread doing a great job.... you can always head over the the My Solar Alerts blog hehe ^^ we update the reports on there all throughout the day as data and information comes in pluss, we keep a running list of expected events on the right hand column this running list is updated as needed so that it is accurate to the best of what we know :) Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 12306182 United States 03/10/2012 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (snip) 3. Storm Prediction Model [25] Although the above comparisons suggest general dependencies of geomagnetic storm strength on CME parameters, no single CME parameter is found to signifi- cantly correlate with geomagnetic storm strength. This implies that a geomagnetic storm cannot be predicted by any single CME parameter, but depends on all of these para- meters in a more complicated way. We thus propose a model in which the geomagnetic storm strength (Dst in nT) depends on four major parameters . [Press et al., 2007]: (snip) PDF: [link to www.agu.org] Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 03/10/2012 11:52 PM |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 12306182 United States 03/10/2012 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spatial Relationships Between Solar Flares and Coronal Mass Ejections (2008) A typical CME consists of a bright frontal structure (leading edge), followed by a dark cavity, and a bright core. This configuration is called the CME three-part structure (Illing & Hundhausen 1985; Webb 1988). The bright core corresponds to the erupting filament (Webb & Hundhausen 1987; Gopalswamy et al. 2003a). There is an issue of whether or not narrow CMEs have the three-part structure (e.g., Gilbert et al. 2001), but at least for large CMEs, this structure is fundamental. In this paper we refer to the three-part structure as the main CME body. Some CMEs possess a faint envelope outside of the main CME body. The envelope might be a shock wave driven by the CME (Sheeley et al. 2000; Vourlidas et al. 2003; Ciaravella et al. 2005); thus there is a problem of whether or not the envelope is a part of the CMEs (see St. Cyr 2005). However, since there is no established way to identify a shock by coronagraph observation itself, we have included the envelope structures as a part of the CME and refer to all the CME features as the whole CME. [link to iopscience.iop.org] |
LD User ID: 12273661 Australia 03/10/2012 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im just wondering, other than effecting radio/telecommunications, what effects can we expect on the 11th/12th march?.. I notice there seems to be a little bit of anxiety/nervousness/excitment on this thread atm in relation to all these flares and cme's.. just wondering what it all means for us in terms of physical effects.. thanks in advance for any answers.. Quoting: LD 12273661 Biology There is a growing body of evidence that changes in the geomagnetic field affect biological systems. Studies indicate that physically stressed human biological systems may respond to fluctuations in the geomagnetic field. Interest and concern in this subject have led the International Union of Radio Science to create a new commission entitled Commission K — Electromagnetics in Biology and Medicine [link to en.wikipedia.org] ;) Magnetic Storms Affect Humans As Well As Telecommunications? [link to www.spacedaily.com] Thanks for the link Nin, just one more thing... what if anything concerns you about the next 24/48 hrs? :) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i highly recomend everyone read this "Radiation is a common word, but in space weather studies, there are two types that differ in important ways. Matter - in the form of electrons, protons and the ions of various atoms, which travel much slower than the speed of light. Electromagnetic - In the form of X-rays, visible light, gamma rays and other forms of energy that travel at the speed of light. Radiation: most of us have an instinctive fear of it. Even the word, itself, is cloaked in mystery and a sense of foreboding. In reality, we are all more familiar with radiation than we suspect. No matter where you live, you receive 15-20 chest X-rays each year of environmental radiation - and there is almost nothing you can do about it. Even solar storms add their share to this cargo of potential damage. read more : [link to www.solarstorms.org] link is from here [link to www.solarstorms.org] it will answer a lot of questions i see being asked on this thread :) Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9525784 United States 03/10/2012 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379864 another of the object on the composite reveals a more definite shape. Bottom left. Any info guys? I just want to make sure I know what I'm looking at. Don't know the correct terms, but this is another solar tornado, like others we have been seeing this past few weeks or so. It seems like it is pulling/sucking down the atmosphere or whatever surrounds the sun. |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 10498853 United States 03/10/2012 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last major space storm caused an electrical blackout in Quebec (1989) [link to www.solarstorms.org] Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
ThreeWhiteEyes User ID: 11281376 United States 03/11/2012 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Consider this: Thread: Z CLASS solar flares this summer?? chemtrails understood? talking sun? question marks?? Some things are better left unsaid. |
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RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 03/11/2012 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379864 another of the object on the composite reveals a more definite shape. Bottom left. Any info guys? I just want to make sure I know what I'm looking at. Don't know the correct terms, but this is another solar tornado, like others we have been seeing this past few weeks or so. It seems like it is pulling/sucking down the atmosphere or whatever surrounds the sun. Yup..I've been watching it all day and hoping Helioviewer would update so I can make a movie of it. I'm sure it'll show rotation like all the others |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 12306182 United States 03/11/2012 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last major space storm caused an electrical blackout in Quebec (1989) [link to www.solarstorms.org] ....and a giant transformer melted at Salem Nuclear plant.....less than than 30 miles from where I type these words. [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5240732 United States 03/11/2012 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last major space storm caused an electrical blackout in Quebec (1989) [link to www.solarstorms.org] ....and a giant transformer melted at Salem Nuclear plant.....less than than 30 miles from where I type these words. [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] Happy Birthday from a NJ neighbor!!! |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 12306182 United States 03/11/2012 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last major space storm caused an electrical blackout in Quebec (1989) [link to www.solarstorms.org] ....and a giant transformer melted at Salem Nuclear plant.....less than than 30 miles from where I type these words. [link to neutronm.bartol.udel.edu] Happy Birthday from a NJ neighbor!!! You must work at nuclear plant, eh, Homer? Jes' kiddin', thanks, friend. By the way, I finally got some SOHO images. They look disappointing in a way...because when you look down the barrel of a gun it doesn't look as romantic as it did on TV. Full halo events are mostly obscured by the occulting disk and the rapid expansion (imagine your Dick Cheney's lawyer and a shotgun suddenly goes off in your face). Also, keep in mind, the initial CME was from the C8 flare from AR1430. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Thanks to STEREO, we've already seen how explosive this CME was. |
tomasgod1 User ID: 11714381 United States 03/11/2012 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I walk go out for a day with the kids and you guys tear through ten pages..gesh! How come the Sun always waits for Nin, but if I turn my back long eneough to mow the yard,or wash my truck,I will find out I was doing it during an X Flare.. haha. _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
MzTreeChick User ID: 8921927 Australia 03/11/2012 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i highly recomend everyone read this Quoting: NiNzrez "Radiation is a common word, but in space weather studies, there are two types that differ in important ways. Matter - in the form of electrons, protons and the ions of various atoms, which travel much slower than the speed of light. Electromagnetic - In the form of X-rays, visible light, gamma rays and other forms of energy that travel at the speed of light. Radiation: most of us have an instinctive fear of it. Even the word, itself, is cloaked in mystery and a sense of foreboding. In reality, we are all more familiar with radiation than we suspect. No matter where you live, you receive 15-20 chest X-rays each year of environmental radiation - and there is almost nothing you can do about it. Even solar storms add their share to this cargo of potential damage. read more : [link to www.solarstorms.org] link is from here [link to www.solarstorms.org] it will answer a lot of questions i see being asked on this thread :) Yes it does, thank you. * Eat recycled food, it's good for the environment and O.K for you. (Judge Dredd) |