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Rare- as in 'how do you want your steak?'

look at this
VERY FAST FARSIDE CME (UPDATED): On July 23rd, a coronal mass ejection (CME) blasted away from the sun with rare speed: 3400 km/s or 7.6 million mph. CMEs moving this fast occur only once every ~5 to 10 years. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory recorded the cloud's rapid departure from the sun:

now they are classifying this as a Rare or R
well there very own video would clearly put this as an ER or extremely rare.
they even state it only happens once every 5 to 10 year....that and the speed would clearly put it in the classification of ER

This all made me think of the Carrington Event. It was suppose to have hit the earth in 17 hours, so it was very fast moving also. No one knows how big the flare was, only a bunch of guesses of around X-50 to X-100. Those guesses are when people forget that a M-flare can let loose a huge CME.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, as I am not a scientist in any way, shape or form.

If a huge CME from say a M-8 flare, was heading to earth at the speeds of that rare speed event, could it have been the cause of the Carrington Event and not some huge X50+ flare? I know a lot have to be taken into consideration when talking about a solar event that could potentially kill the grid and nothing is ever simple, but just reading what you all are saying makes me wonder.

The last X-flare had a few worried about the grid, so we all know it doesn't have to be huge to be a problem.

This all made me think of the Carrington Event. It was suppose to have hit the earth in 17 hours, so it was very fast moving also. No one knows how big the flare was, only a bunch of guesses of around X-50 to X-100. Those guesses are when people forget that a M-flare can let loose a huge CME.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, as I am not a scientist in any way, shape or form.

If a huge CME from say a M-8 flare, was heading to earth at the speeds of that rare speed event, could it have been the cause of the Carrington Event and not some huge X50+ flare? I know a lot have to be taken into consideration when talking about a solar event that could potentially kill the grid and nothing is ever simple, but just reading what you all are saying makes me wonder.

The last X-flare had a few worried about the grid, so we all know it doesn't have to be huge to be a problem.

just a thought...
as we are going to see a SS that had been erupting with multiple flares and CMEs last time it was facing us....
if a CME at that speed 7.6 mph were to happen after say 2 or 3 smaller, would they all get caught up in the faster moving CME?
would this create a huge fast moving CME?

new sunspot region 1526 is old sunspot region 1512
new sunspot region 1528 is old sunspot region 1513
new sunspot region 1529 is likley old sunspot region 1514
old sunspot region 1515 is coming in close behind new sunspot region 1529 (old sunspot 1514)
this is the same thing it did in the last rotation
we were all watching 1514, then once 1515 popped around the corner, it said hello with a M flare
M5.6 Flare on 7/02/2012 @ 10:52 UTC - Sunspot 1515
- CME produced- ETA: July 4-5
then continued to pop off the longest running list of M flares we have seen this cycle
(see updated list on the 1st post, 1st page of this thread)

old sunspot 1515 should be rotating into view sometime tomorrow

here we can see these sunspots on their last rotation 26 days ago
[link to www.solen.info]
here we can see these sunspots turning into a Earth facing position for this rotation
[link to www.solen.info]

here we can see old sunspots 1514 and 1515 as they are today
you will see these 2 sunspot regions on the bottom section
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

here is a site link that is packed full of info on all these old sunspot regions
[link to www.sydneyobservatory.com.au]
some of you might find the info found on there very interesting :)



New region 11527 [N26E66] rotated into view on July 22 and was assigned a number by SWPC the next day. The region produced a single small C flare during the day.
New region 11528 [N17E67] rotated into view on July 22.
New region 11529 [S11E70] rotated into view on July 22.

Spotted active regions not numbered or interpreted differently by NOAA/SWPC:
New region S1816 [S18E81] rotated into view with a single spot. The region appears to have been the source of a C1.4 event at 23:35 UTC.
New region S1817 [S32E06] emerged with a single tiny spot.
New region S1818 [N17W32] emerged with a few spots.

AR 11520, several days behind the southwest limb, produced a magnificent (in STEREO-A images) flare early in the day, this event was associated with a very fast (above 2000 km/s) full halo CME and an increase in proton levels at Earth.
[link to www.solen.info]



IA. Analysis of Solar Active Regions and Activity from 22/2100Z
to 23/2100Z: Solar activity was low. Newly numbered Regions 1527
(N27E64) and 1529 (S12E71) produced the only C-class flares for the
period: a C2/1f flare at 23/1127Z and a C1 flare at 23/1700Z,
respectively. New Region 1528 (N17E67) was also numbered. Two CMEs
were observed overnight in LASCO C2 imagery. The first was
associated with a filament eruption beyond the northwest limb
beginning at 22/1248Z and the second, an asymmetric full-halo
associated with flare activity from old Region 1520 (S16, L=086)
approximately 40 degrees beyond the west limb beginning at 23/0236Z.
These CMEs are not expected to disturb the geomagnetic field.
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

according to the speed class
any CME 3000 km/sec or faster is classed as a ER event-
Extremely Rare
i guess they want to avoid using that term ^^

This all made me think of the Carrington Event. It was suppose to have hit the earth in 17 hours, so it was very fast moving also. No one knows how big the flare was, only a bunch of guesses of around X-50 to X-100. Those guesses are when people forget that a M-flare can let loose a huge CME.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, as I am not a scientist in any way, shape or form.

If a huge CME from say a M-8 flare, was heading to earth at the speeds of that rare speed event, could it have been the cause of the Carrington Event and not some huge X50+ flare? I know a lot have to be taken into consideration when talking about a solar event that could potentially kill the grid and nothing is ever simple, but just reading what you all are saying makes me wonder.

The last X-flare had a few worried about the grid, so we all know it doesn't have to be huge to be a problem.

This all made me think of the Carrington Event. It was suppose to have hit the earth in 17 hours, so it was very fast moving also. No one knows how big the flare was, only a bunch of guesses of around X-50 to X-100. Those guesses are when people forget that a M-flare can let loose a huge CME.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, as I am not a scientist in any way, shape or form.

If a huge CME from say a M-8 flare, was heading to earth at the speeds of that rare speed event, could it have been the cause of the Carrington Event and not some huge X50+ flare? I know a lot have to be taken into consideration when talking about a solar event that could potentially kill the grid and nothing is ever simple, but just reading what you all are saying makes me wonder.

The last X-flare had a few worried about the grid, so we all know it doesn't have to be huge to be a problem.

my guess on the flare size from the carrington even is a small to mid sized M flare
flare size has nothing what so ever to do with the size of a CME
some of the largest CMEs seen did not even come from a X flare
and there can be CMEs without a flare ever happening at all

a flare size is something to take note on and watch
but when speaking of the carrington event, or another carrington event, we are speaking of a CME
it matters none at all what size the flare was that the carrington CME came from, cause it was the CME itself that did the damage
the carrington CME was large and fast

google "june 7 2011 CME" to see one of the largest blasts of mass ever witnessed on the sun
and it came from a small M flare

this is why i want to bang my head when there is a big CME from lets say a small M flare, and you see so many running around saying "wake me up when its a X20 or higher"
i would almost put money on the new age carrington not even coming from a very large solar flare
i would say to watch those M flares that produce CMEs

June 11 2011 CME : [link to www.youtube.com]
thanks Nin!

This all made me think of the Carrington Event. It was suppose to have hit the earth in 17 hours, so it was very fast moving also. No one knows how big the flare was, only a bunch of guesses of around X-50 to X-100. Those guesses are when people forget that a M-flare can let loose a huge CME.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, as I am not a scientist in any way, shape or form.

If a huge CME from say a M-8 flare, was heading to earth at the speeds of that rare speed event, could it have been the cause of the Carrington Event and not some huge X50+ flare? I know a lot have to be taken into consideration when talking about a solar event that could potentially kill the grid and nothing is ever simple, but just reading what you all are saying makes me wonder.

The last X-flare had a few worried about the grid, so we all know it doesn't have to be huge to be a problem.

my guess on the flare size from the carrington event is a small to mid sized M flare
flare size has nothing what so ever to do with the size of a CME
some of the largest CMEs seen did not even come from a X flare
and there can be CMEs without a flare ever happening at all

a flare size is something to take note on and watch
but when speaking of the carrington event, or another carrington event, we are speaking of a CME
it matters none at all what size the flare was that the carrington CME came from, cause it was the CME itself that did the damage
the carrington CME was large and fast

google "june 7 2011 CME" to see one of the largest blasts of mass ever witnessed on the sun
and it came from a small M flare

this is why i want to bang my head when there is a big CME from lets say a small M flare, and you see so many running around saying "wake me up when its a X20 or higher"
i would almost put money on the new age carrington not even coming from a very large solar flare
i would say to watch those M flares that produce CMEs

June 11 2011 CME : [link to www.youtube.com]
thanks Nin!

Tell you what Nin- the Sun is so hot here now, that I shudder when I think of the power and heat delivered in a huge CME- it's scary as hell!

Last bunch of M flares and CME's were scary enough for me. Maybe more scary because of how HOT we are on the ground here already. Power lines are maxed-out because of air conditioning units all over the valley floor, then all we need is a big blast of highly charged ejecta thrown on top!

here is a image of that CME
[link to www.nasa.gov]
everyone take note on the region this CME came from?!
happens to be right around the same as 1515 or soon to be new 1530 as well as 1520
it also happens to be the same area that the record breaking Nox 2003 X flare, the largest X flare on record came from
[link to www.holoscience.com]
thus why i personally watch this region of the solar disk so close

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Just in time for a climber!
C4+

Is that the 60 degree mark, possibly 70?

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